Abdullahi Yusuf's Chief of Staff Retells Puntland Overtures to Somaliland

[Taleexi]

Xaaji Xunjuf;879519 wrote:

Maxaad fahmi hadaad kuwi waxba fahmayn aad la rabtid kuwi wax fahmaya inay fahmaan kuwaa waxba fahmayn.

Malaa labadeenu innaga oo marqaansan uun baynu is fahmi lahayn illeyn rational-ka gabbood baad ka tahaye!

[Taleexi]

Carafaat;879522 wrote:

Taleexi, Egal(aun) was the early architect of Artah. Eventhough he disagreed with Omer Guelleh and Abduqadim Salat in a later stage. Second Puntland was hardly an administrative goverment in 1999, Muqdisho not destroyed as it is today and Somaliland was just recoverin from decades of civil wars and not really in any mood in political turmoil. I am just adding some important variable the author 'forget' to mention.

Waxaad kor ku qortay kuguma diiddani in la tixgeliyona mudan.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Carafaat;879522 wrote:

Taleexi, Egal(aun) was the early architect of Artah. Eventhough he disagreed with Omer Guelleh and Abduqadim Salat in a later stage. Second Puntland was hardly an administrative goverment in 1999, Muqdisho not destroyed as it is today and Somaliland was just recoverin from decades of civil wars and not really in any mood in political turmoil. I am just adding some important variable the author 'forget' to mention.

Ismaciil Cumar geele and cabdiqaasim undermined Cigaals plan but the problem was all of that could've been avoided Mogadishu at that time was in the hands of a few warlords the problems back than were easier to solve.

[Carafaat]

Somalia;879523 wrote:

Cairo conference was already a failure, Arta turned out to be a failure, so this initiative was indeed a glimmer of hope, shame it didn't pan through!

This initiative was intended to destroy the first 4.5 glimmer of hope of back then(Artah). Just like such an initiative today would obstruct the current revival of Somalia. Or in 2004 in Embaghati.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Carafaat why are you so against 4.5 its a fair system for Somalia.

[Somalia]

Carafaat;879527 wrote:

This initiative was intended to destroy the first 4.5 glimmer of hope of back then(Artah). Just like such an initiative today would obstruct the current revival of Somalia. Or in 2004 in Embaghati.

Actually 4.5 was supported by Arta group and southern alliances due to the lack of census, the last census of Somalia 1 block was considerably larger than the other, so 4.5 was the compromise. So the secessionists rejected a viable coalition here with them at the forefront.

[Taleexi]

It is all about semantics.

[Mintid Farayar]

A more crucial point is missed here. One has to objectively look at the current predicament regardless of where they stand on the Somaliweyn concept. The difference between Somaliland and the rest of the former Somalia is the issue of a working plebiscite (a vote by which the people of an entire country or district express an opinion for or against a proposal especially on a choice of government or ruler). In Somaliland, you have one citizen-one vote system, while in the rest of the former Somalia you have rule by political elites indirectly chosen (i.e. Puntland, TFG, etc.). In the South, the average/normal citizen does not vote nor choose who represents him/her.

 

Since, it's well known how strongly the bulk of the citizenry in Somaliland feels about unification with Somalia, it's virtually impossible for any Somaliland politician who wishes to remain in power to entertain reunification (at least in this generation). It's very difficult for those outside Somaliland in the Somali peninsula to understand this reality given their virtual lack of experience with universal suffrage(voting rights) for the average citizen in their Somali political experience. Hence, Southern politicians assume they can approach the problem from the backdoor by opening a relationship with Somaliland political elites. No Somaliland leader had the political capital of Mohamed I. Egal(AUN), yet even he understood that contraint.

That was the larger point in posting the above essay by Abdullahi Yusuf's chief of staff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mintid Farayar;878836 wrote:

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The President’s political base in Somaliland was so polarized towards Gooni-Usu-taag (Secession, independence) that no politician could dare to remind them of returning to Somaliweyn without risking outright ridicule and treason.

 

 

I had mentioned this precise point in an earlier posting( http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/showthread.php/67720-The-Somaliland-Somalia-Talks-Myths-vs-Reality ) before the former Chief of Staff's essay was posted on Wardheer

Mintid Farayar;873507 wrote:

However, one must keep in perspective the actualities on the ground in analyzing the potential outcomes of the Somaliland/Somalia talks. To measure the fortitude and negotiating power of each side, one must look at what's at stake. Politicians, universally, are primarily concerned with keeping 'the seat'/incumbency. Would a Somaliland administration that nullified Somaliland's sovereignty realistically stay in power in Hargeisa? Would a TFG administration that dissolved the territorial unity of the old Somali Republic survive in Mogadishu? Both would be unpleasant for either administration and would face resistance from regions each administration nominally represents. But which would be the more impossible for the respective administration to survive given its seat of power (in either Hargeisa or Mogadishu)? The answer to that question provides a quick glimpse into the future of these talks...

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Thats true Koonfurians mostly think that President siilaanyo or any president of Somaliland has the mandate to change Somalilands number one article of its constitution statehood sovereignty of Somaliland. But this comes because in Somalia the politicians have a strong grip on the peoples future and their word is most of the time the law of the country this is a whole different case in Somaliland. But for instance if the leadership in Somalia compromise their union will they be welcomed as heroes in Somalia maybe not but can they still be the rulers of Somalia i think so.

[Wiil Cusub]

Bal hada aynu sheekada ka eegno dhinaca Cigaal. Sheekadan hoos ku qoran waxaan ka soo xigtay Xusuus qorka Gees:

 

Madaxweyne Cigaal lama kulmin C/laahi Yusuf sidii aan hore u soo sheegay ma jeclayn qolyaha askarta ah iyo dagaal oogayaasha lamana xidhiidhi jirin hase yeeshe waxaa Hargaysa dhawr goor yimi ninka la yiraahdo Yusuf Cumar Azharioo dhanbaalo ka siday Mudane Cabdilaahi Yuusuf madaxweynaha Maamul gobaleedka Puntland, hadaba maalin maalmaha ka mid ah ayuu madaxweyne Cigaal shir isugu yeedhay koox wasiiro ah oo aan hada ka xusuusto Caxmed Yusuf Ducaale, Cabdi Aw Daahir iyo aniga Gees waxaa uu noo sheegay in uu joogo ninka la yioraahdo Azhari waxannu nagu yidhi waxaa uu ahaa Safiirkii Maraykan u fadhiyey dawladii Soomaaliya ee waqtigii aan Ras’iisal wasaaraha ahaa.

 

Waxaa uu ka sheekeeyey mar uu booqasho ku tegay wadanka Maraykanka isagoo Cigaal ah Ras’iisal wasaarihii Soomaaliya oo ninkaa Azharin auu ahaa safiirkii fadhiyey Washinton ee waqtigaa waxa uu yidhi weli waan xusuusta sidii uu safarkaa iiga xumeeyey oo aanu waxba iigu sheegin habka borotakoolka ay dawlada Maraykan ku dhaqanto oo ah in mar qudha Madaxweynaha Maraykan aqalka cad lagula kulmo oo markaas baraamijkaaga iyo waxaad u socotay lala soo qaado oo aanad markale lagu noqon, Anigu waxaan u haystay in marka hore yahay salaam iyo is barasho ee marka danbe loo sheegayo baraamijkii aan la socday sidaas awgeed markii aan aqalka cad kula kulmay madaxweyne Jonhson waan salaamay oo ka soo baxay wax baraamij ah lama soo qaadin ee dib ayaan u dhigtay markii aan damcay in aan ku noqdo waxa la yidhi suuragal ma aha in aad mar labaad aragtid, wasiiraduna go’aan ma laha haddii aanu madaxweynuhu ogolaan, hadaba ninka safiirka ah ee intaas ogaan wayey khayr badan ma laha haseyeeshe dhanbaalo ayuu iiga keenay C/laahi Yusuf markaas waxaan idinka doonaya in aad u soo jawaabtaan.

 

Aniga waxay il tahay ayuu raaciyey inay jawaabtiina nuxurkeedu noqdo war adigu C/laahi waxad sheeganaysaa dad aad ku doodaysid waxaa naga dhaxeeya abtirsiin oo qabiil ayaad ku doodaysa anaguna waxaan sheeganaynaa dhul iyo xuduudo sharci ah sidaa daraadeed waxaan kuu soo jeedinaynaa in aad ogalaatid xudduka Soomaliland oo ah xuduudihii caalamiga ahaa ee u dhaxeeyey Talyaaniga iyo Ingriiskii, anaguna aan ogolaano in dadka degan afti laga qaado la waydiiyo meeshay raacayaan oo weliba goobjoogayaal caalami ah la keeno oo aynu ku kalsoonaano wixii codbixinta ka soo baxa haddii ay ku raacaan aan iskaga hadhno haddii ay na raacaana aad iskaga hadhid, taas oo lagaga bixi karo isku dhac yimaada. Jawaab aan wax badan ka duwanayn ayaannu diyaarinay oo C/laahi Yusuf loo diray. Ayaan daro waxaa uu la soo noqday Azhari oo ka keenay C/laahi jawaab aan loo fadhiyin oo aan laga filayn oo ahayd warkii loo sheegi jiray saxaafada ee muranka ahaa waxaa uu yidhi xuduuda aad ka hadlaysaan waxay baaba’day markii dalka laysku daray mana ictiraafsani wax xuduud ah. Halkas waxa ku lintay fursad wada hadal lagu bilaabi lahaa dabadeedna sidaas ayuu xidhiidhkaasi ku joogsaday.

 

Source

 

http://koti.kontu.la/nhalganews/0804/1/Istiqaaladaydii(Shaqo%20ka%20fadhiisad.htm

[Carafaat]

Some people tend to bend the truth, to make themselves look better. Why else would a pirate call himself a coast guard.

[Jacaylbaro]

[Somalia]

Madaxweyne Cigaal lama kulmin C/laahi Yusuf sidii aan hore u soo sheegay ma

jeclayn qolyaha askarta ah iyo dagaal oogayaasha lamana xidhiidhi jirin

hase yeeshe waxaa Hargaysa dhawr goor yimi ninka la yiraahdo Yusuf Cumar Azharioo dhanbaalo ka siday Mudane Cabdilaahi Yuusuf madaxweynaha Maamul gobaleedka Puntland,

I find this to be false, not just because of his ironic connection with SNM, his armed forces now but because of his historical contacts with officers. Cigaal was the man who spend 6 months in Kenya negotiating without authorization regarding the status of NFD, a role in which he played a weak hand for Somalia, eventually losing his cabinet seat because of it. Or is it the same Cigaal that during the negotiations of NFD in Kenya 1967 believed Somalia had no right for NFD, cause if NFD became part of Somalia, his secessionist aspirations would be weaker.

 

We can look at this secessionist aspirations all the way back to 1962 a year after he lost his cabinet post when 2 officers staged a coup attempt in Hargeisa led by Xasan Kayd, funny enough Cabdulaahi Yuusuf was one of the senior officers present during that attempt under Mudane General Caynaanshe, in fact he actually recounts it in his book. Cigaal was the most senior politician from the north, are we to believe he knew nothing of 2 senior officers attempting a coup after he loses a cabinet seat?

 

One has to wonder whose word he should take, the qaldan who seceded from Somalia based on I was hurt once in the 80s or the people keeping Somalia together.

[Carafaat]

Somalia;879672 wrote:

One has to wonder whose word he should take, the qaldan who seceded from Somalia based on I was hurt once in the 80s or the people keeping Somalia together.

If you put it like this. Then defintly 'inta madaxa madoow'.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Haye sheekadu wali ma socota.