Jabbuuti Deal: the political settlement we are all crawling to reach!

[xiinfaniin]

Dowladda Federaalka iyo Isbaheysiga Dib u xoreynta oo wada hadallo seddex maalmood soconaya uga bilowdeen Dalka Jibouti

 

Arbaco, September 17, 2008(HOL): Hotelka Sheraton ee Magaalada Djibouti ee Dalka Jibouti ayaa maanta waxaa ka bilowday shir seddex maalmood socon doona oo u dhaxeeya Ergooyin ka kala socda Dowladda Federaalka iyo Isbaheysiga Dib u xoreynta.

 

Shirkan oo lagu waday in uu furmo saaka goor hore ayaa waxaa soo gaarsiiyay ilaa maanta duhurradii Ergooyinkii ka socday Isbaheysiga Dib u xoreynta oo dood ka keenay in Kooxda Caalamiga ah ee Xiriirka Soomaaliya uu shirarkooda ka qeybgalo Safiirka Dowladda Itoobiya u fadhiya Dalka Jibouti ,iyadoo ugu dambeyntiina lagu guuleystay in dooddaas xal loo helo, shirka labada dhinacna uu bilowdo.

 

Shirka ay leeyihiin Ergooyinka labada dhinac ayaa waxyaabaha looga hadlayo waxaa ka mid ah Arrimaha Siyaasadda iyo Ammaanka Soomaaliya iyo weliba sidii dad badan oo ku dhibaateysan gudaha Soomaaliya loola gaari lahaa gargaar deg deg ah.

 

Ilo ku dhow dhow ergooyinka Shirka ka qeybgelaya ayaa waxay sheegayaan in gunaanadka Shirka Ergooyinka labada dhinac laga soo saari doono go’aanno ka duwan kuwii ay horay u wada gaari jireen labada dhinac, waxaana xusid mudan in ay Ergooyinka labada dhinac ka doodayaan qaabka la isula meel dhigayo qorshe muddo bil ah ay ku howlgeli doonaan Guddiyo ay horay isaga dhex doorteen Dowladda Federaalka iyo Isbaheysiga Dib u xoreynta, kuwaasi oo qaabilsan Siyaasadda iyo Aammaanka Soomaaliya.

 

19-ka bishan oo ku beegan Jimcada soo socota ayaa la filayaa in ay labada dhinac shaaciyaan go’aannada shirkoodan ka soo baxa, waxaana lagu soo waramayaa in saxiixa Go’aannada Jimcaha soo bixi doona ay yihiin kuwo ay dhaqangelin ka dambeyso.

 

Shirka Dowladda Federaalka iyo Isbaheysiga Dib u xoreynta uga socda Dalka Jibouti ayaa wuxuu qeyb ka yahay shirar ay Qaramada Midoobay soo qaban qaabisay oo soo socday ilaa bishii June ee sanadkan, kuwaasi oo looga gol leeyahay in xal loogu helo Mushkiladda Soomaaliya ka taagan.

 

Haddaba Heshiiska ay Jimcaha soo socota wada saxiixayaan labada dhinac ayaa haddii la fulin waayo waxaa ka sii hadlay Wakiilka Xoghayaha guud ee Qaramada Midoobay u qaabilsan Arrimaha Soomaaliya Danjire Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, kaasi oo dhinacyada Soomaalida ugu baaqay in ay dhaqangeliyaan Heshiiskaas, isla markaana ay ka fogaadaan in ay sameeyaan waxyaabo heshiiskaas burin kara.

 

Ould-Abdallah waxaa uu sheegay in aan laga ogolaan doonin kooxaha qalalaasaha ka wada Soomaaliya in ay iska sii wadaan dhibaatada, wuxuuna caddeeyay in Sabtida soo socota wixii ka bilowda la eegi doono ciddii dooneysa in ay dhibaatada Soomaaliya sii socota, isagoo Kooxaha ku lugta leh dhibataada Soomaaliyana uga digay in ay afkooda isku maxkamadeeyaan.

 

“Waxaan u maleynayaa xiligaas kadib cid kasta oo meel fagaare ah ka sheegata in ay dil iyo qalaase sii wadeyso waxay isaga/iyada isu soo bandhigi doontaa cadaaladda, waana ay dhamaaday waqtigii la xisaabtan la’aanta”ayuu yiri Ould-Abdallah oo sheegay in kooxaha dhibaatada ka wada Soomaaliya ay dhici karto in la hor-geeyo Maxkamadda Dembiyada Dagaalka ama Maxkamad Mustaqbalka loo sameyn doono Soomaaliya.

 

Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis). Hiiraan Online

sxiis@hiiraan.com

Mogadishu, Somalia

[Jacaylbaro]

Conference disrupted after Ethiopian ambassador arrives

 

 

DJIBOUTI CITY, Djibouti Sep 17 (Garowe Online) - A conference attended by interim Somali Prime Minister Nur "Adde" Hassan Hussein and opposition chief Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed was postponed Wednesday after Ethiopia's ambassador to Djibouti entered the talks venue, Radio Garowe reported.

 

Shamsudin Roble, the Ethiopian ambassador, attended the talks on behalf of the Ethiopian government's membership in the International Contact Group (ICG) for Somalia.

 

But his arrival prompted opposition delegation from the Alliance for the Re-liberation of Somalia (ARS) to walk out of the conference hall in protest.

 

UN Special Envoy Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, as well as Prime Minister Nur Adde and Italy's ambassador to Djibouti, took part in efforts to convince the ARS delegates to return to the conference.

 

By day's end, the opposition delegates agreed to return to the conference hall and met privately with government officials, sources said.

 

The delegations from the Somali government and the ARS – which inked a peace pact on June 9 – are supposed to discuss implementation of a ceasefire clause in the Djibouti Agreement.

 

In August, a Joint Security Committee and a Joint Political Committee were established to oversee the realization of tenets in the Djibouti Agreement, which called for the withdrawal of Ethiopian armed forces within 120 days.

 

But the Agreement has faced strong resistance from an ARS faction led by Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, as well as al Shabaab insurgents who are considered a terrorist organization by the U.S. government.

[Fabregas]

@Xiin

 

And where is the "war cusub" you have for us? Perhaps, you know some secrets we are not aware ? The facts are simple:

 

No UN troops is on the way before October 1.

 

The fighting is still going on( people are dying daily).

 

No ceasfire has been implemented.

 

ARS and ICU groups are as divided as ever.

 

And the Good SHeikh still hasn't convinced most of his friends( ie the men with the guns and their leaders) to put down their guns and join his process, despite you claiming that there is support building campaign on the horizon.

 

Bal, tell us the secrets, my good friend?

 

 

p.s. You know what I mean by the Islamists- secularists thingy. The Islamic groups in Egypt, Algeria and other places signed peace deals, in which they ended up joining the secular system, ie taking part in elections, sharing power with seculars, etc. That is where the djibouti group is heading( 2009 elections) and it is the biggest reason that certain groups dont want anything to do it. How do you think those men will be brought into the "peace process"?

[Abtigiis]

BG

 

Because the same monotony has been coming out of his beak, and so far the functions of his ears were only limited to amplifying what the neighbouing bodypart says, Xinn really belives his messages are what everybody else says or should say. I can understand the talk-charade is to give a face-saving deal to the embattled stooges in Baidoa. The TFG has died a natural death and are no more relevant in Somali politics. The issue now is will Sheikh Shariif, with his new international support, be able to bring the liberation forces into one fold and move forward in forming an all-inclusive (stooges are not in the all) Xalaal governmnet when the term of the stooges end?

 

On a personal note, I am a fan of Xinn's reasoning power and way of articulation, but he disappoints me with his too-much self-assuredness and the aura of invicibility he builds into his arguments.

[xiinfaniin]

^^Wax waalan! Aakhirka waad uun isoo raaci! Meel lagu kala haro lama joogo maanta awoowe! Haddaad shariifka diiday, aniga isoo raaco, illeen anaad i taqaannaaye !

 

B iyo G, that somalis fight is not a news! It's not also a good reason to oppose the Jabbuuti Deal. That some wadaado iyo dawlad kusheegtani are talking is THE news. It's a progress.

 

As I told you before: digsi baa dabka saarane iska sug intuu bislaanayyo. Hilibkii oo ceerin ah oo aan si fiican u karin baad rabtaa inaad cad kala baxdo

[xiinfaniin]

Wada Hadalladii Jibouti uga socday Dowladda Federaalka iyo Isbaheysiga Dib u xoreynta oo heer Xasaasi ah u gudbay

 

Khamiis, September 18, 2008(HOL): Wararka naga soo gaaraya Magaalada Djibouti ee Dalka Jibouti ayaa waxay sheegayaan in wada hadalladii halkaas uga socday dhinacyada Dowladda Federaalka iyo Isbaheysiga Dib u xoreynta ay heer xasaasi ah u gudbeen.

 

Wararku waxay intaas ku darayaan in Wada hadallada labada dhinac u socda oo maalintii labaad ay leeyihiin Guddiyo Siyaasadda iyo Ammaanka qaabilsan oo ay Dowladda Federaalka iyo Isbaheysiga Dib u xoreynta ay horay u magacawdeen.

 

Shirarka Guddiyadan u socda oo ah mid ay albaabada u xiran yihiin ayaa waxaa ugu xisaasisan midka u socda Guddiga Ammaanka, kaasi oo ajendayaasha uu ka doodayo ay yihiin kuwo aad u culus oo aan la ogeyn sida ay labada dhinac isugu waafaqi doonaan.

 

Ajendayaasha uu ka doodayo Guddiga Ammaanka ayaa waxaa ka mid ah in Ciidamada Dowladda Federaalka iyo kuwa Isbaheysiga la isku dhafo, isla markaana xero la wada dejiyo, in Ciidamada Itoobiyaanka ay ka baxaan Xaafadaha magaalooyinka waa weyn ee Soomaaliya, kadibna fursad loo siiyo in ay isu diyaariyaan sidii ay Soomaaliya uga bixi lahaayeen.

 

Qodobka isku-dhafidda Ciidamada labada dhinac oo la sheegay in uu ka yimid dhinaca Xubnaha Guddiga Ammaanka eeDowladda Federaalka ayaa waxaa ka biyo diidan Xubnaha Guddiga Ammaaka ee Isbaheysiga Dib u xoreynta oo ku dooday in aaney suurtagal ahayn in Ciidamo dagaallamayay ay xero wada galaan, taasi bedelkeedna loo baahan yahay in iyana xerooyin gaar ah loo sameeyo.

 

Dhinaca Guddiga Siyaasadda oo aaney Ajendayaashiisa u kululeyn sida kuwa Guddiga Ammaanka ayaa waxaa uu ka hadlayaa qodobo ay ka mid yihiin Dhaqaalaha, Maamullada Dalka, Dastuurka, Arrimaha Bulshada iyo Arrimaha Gargaarka, iyadoo aan la soo sheegin muran u dhaxeeya Xubnaha Guddiga Siyaasadda.

 

Guddiyada labada dhinac ayaa marka ay isla meel dhigaan Ajendayaasha ay ka doodayaan ayaa waxay maalinta berri ah si rasmi ah u wada saxiixi doonaan xabad-joojin rasmi ah iyo waqti go’an oo ay Ciidamada Itoobiyaanka uga bixi doonaan Soomaaliya.

 

Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis). Hiiraan Online

sxiis@hiiraan.com

Mogadishu, Somalia

[Abtigiis]

There are only two possibilities. Either Xinn is in Djibouti representing either of the talking parts and hence knows a lot we don't know; or he is delusional. Good Xinn has lost his muse eversince he decided to follow the footsteps of a lost caravan wallowing in no-where with chants of innuendos and moving fast to destination Phantom.

 

I disagree with the portrayal of this mediocre Sheikh as the saviour of Somalia. He is a good man, albeit with proven flaws- like escaping a battlefield. He is nothing if he can't get the support of the fighting forces.

[AYOUB]

^^ Xiin could just be one of those who claim "innamal muslixuun™ ".

[Abtigiis]

^^^ Allaa anahum humul muslixinn walaakin ...., Is that where you are driving at dear Ayoub? Sorry for putting thought into your mind,but that is exactly how I am feeling.

 

Xiinoow;

 

Meeshay kaaga socoto waad la soctaa ee is furdaami. Soo alaabtaydi lagaama kari la'!

[Fabregas]

Xiin, I feel what you saying, now that you put so simply. Just thought that you were exaggerating, a tad bit. Raw hilib is for Xabashis, sxb.

[Thierry.]

Mr Xiin Is a realist he knows that the only viable solution in Somalia is a political settlement no matter how weak the party you are negotiating with is. In the long run no party, clan or group can permanently eliminate the other so why stay in the rat race, why not look at things from another perspective one that has wisdom and foresight.

 

Although the Djibouti agreement is in paper today the incremental steps are being taken to make it a reality.

 

The progress so far

 

- The “Yuusifites” position within the government has diminished

- Gheedi the traitor is out replaced by Nur Cadde and the TFG man of the moment AbdiSalan.

- Most of ASR have left Asmara and joined Sheikh Sharif in Djibouti

- We have a Un representative who sincerely wants to help Somalis.

 

 

Short term hurdles left

 

- Power sharing between all factions in Somalia

- Ethiopian forces out (replaced by either Muslim forces or a reconstructed Somali government encompassing Al Shabaab et)

- Secession of conflict

- Laying the platform of dialogue between Somalia and Somaliland on ways forward (although I do not see this taking place until 2010).

- etc

[N.O.R.F]

Not long to go now. The UN is proving to be contraditing itself. One minute it's pushing for a resolution and the next they don't have the troops to send to Somalia as part of that same resolution.

 

If anything fails it won't be because of the Somalis and especially the ARS.

[Abtigiis]

Why do people think if UN goes to Somalia, it will stablise? The more combative Ethiopian army couldn't stop the Alshabab and certainly military might is not the answer. The answer is as Thierry said a political soultion, but between the relevant entities. Xinn's dragging the dead horse of the TFG into meeting halls will not add value. In that regard, he is regressive.

 

Thieryy has added an intersting dimension to the argument, though: the demise of the 'yusufites' in the TFG. Still, who said Nuur cadde's hands are free of blood? Is he not the man who said the Ethiopians were in self-defence when they massacred people in the Bakara market? Just becuase he wasn't on Ethiopian tanks during the invasion doesn't mean he hasn't committed treason. He is irrelvant to the only forces who matter in the competing binaries of Somalia- the Alshabab. And also to the nationalists who will not like to see traitors participate in the rebuliding of the nation.

 

A negative precedence where one is allowed to devour the soul of the nation and then join the bandwagon when freedom is attained must not be set.

[Thierry.]

A&T you will not see me defending nay member of this debunked government and certainly Nuur Cadde is no saint. However if you have two devils it is in ones interest to negotiate/work out a solution, with the lesser of the two. Now PM Cadde might not be perfect for he is the head of a government that implicitly supported the Ethiopian invasion, however for the first time in its tenure the TFG has reached out to the opposition (albeit not all) they have agreed on paper the withdrawal of the Ethiopian forces and for the formation of a unity government.

 

The nationalist and brothers fighting for Islam ought to be angry that traitors participate in the rebuilding of the nation, however lets crawl before we walk, peace stability and the formation of independent Islamic judiciary system (that will charge these men) is a much graver priority than hounding the culprits.

A female analyst said the reason why Uganda has not been able to agree a peace deal with the Lords Resistance Army (LRA) is because of charges carried by the government and ICC against LRA leaders. (Would you give yourself up to the ICC).

Likewise Serbia & Montenegro, Kosovo et al have established stability because they opted for peace first and then accountability.

 

These are delicate steps Gents do it in any other order and it wont work.

[Gabbal]

Originally posted by Thierry.:

Mr Xiin Is a realist

Xiin, my dear Thierry, is far, far from being a realist.

 

He is an idealogue my dear Thiery and one far removed from reality or anything resembling it.