From a bomb-maker to minister- The bizarre world of Somali politics.

[Khadafi]

Impunitive or the lack of justice is what makes nation sink into corruption and decay. Other factors might be ethnic or post-colonial problems that came with the white man. 

Soomaaliya is beutifull and we have have the same ethos, same ethnicity and even the same islamic jurispudence, we are sunni muslims with the shafite madhab and ahlul tariqa. Everyone talks about the tribal afflications that sent Somalia in a somekind of a  bizarre mad-max nation where impunity have become the norm. With the collapse of the semi-communist  regime corrupt  abusive tribal regime of Siyaad Barre and those  tribal jabhads that came after him,  who on earth thaught that a small cult that began najd with the collapse of ottoman empire would  now in Somalia  wage a brutal war of killing and maiming and making takfiir on fellow somalis. Al-shabaab did not pop out from the hole like rabbit. Its sad to see that the HSM government alllowed a brutal kharijite former al-aqeda leader to be the minister of religous affairs. 

Al-shabaab is indeed following the text-book maunal that their wahâabiya-cult did 200 years ago, mainly beliving that before the arrival of Muhammad Binu Abdul Wahab no muslim existed and Muhammad binul cabdul wahab was a man who died 200 years ago. They were famous for killing pilgrims and beliving that the pilgrims were non muslims.   Since 1991, no one noticed and no one has done a proper academical study on these guys but the birth place of wahabism, Saudi Arabia is today returning to tradiional sunni Islam, speciallly the Hijaz. The burdwa that was  discouraged and said was "no no" was read by a meccan reciter a year ago in Makka-Sharif The saudis under the current leadership have slowly cut the funds to these people while we Somalis submitted the bizarre post of religous affais to Rooobow Abuu Mansuur. Some would argue that its good with defections but has he officaly in a state interview condemned wahabiyada and their books or way of thinking ?  Even he defected why give him a minsterial post? If we are unable to do justice just as justice was done against the old man Hassan Daahir Aweys who is busy conveying his extremist bizarre messages on facebook while in house arrest, could not the same be done this guy? We are living in a bizarre world. I used to belive Al-shabaab had a small following in Somalia but if you ask and dig further questions, many have today without knowing it extremist ideas. We are slowly understanding the menace of these people but its time for this  Roobow to go, If justice can not be served for gods sake give post to someone traditional sunni belifs, Just see how bizarre the picture is. From a  bomb-maker to minister. Thats Somalia in a nutshell. 

Nin aanan yaabin ayaa yaabay. War aaway culumadii diinta inoo keenay!.? 

 

 

 

[AhmedGuled]

Well...what do you expect from a culture that elevates Islam above science and logic. Somalis are not people who examine anything. So why the shock?

[Qurac&qansax]

1 hour ago, AhmedGuled said:

Well...what do you expect from a culture that elevates Islam above science and logic. Somalis are not people who examine anything. So why the shock?

war kanu ma ayaan Xirsi Magan baa. War miyaadan Muslim aheen

[AhmedGuled]

3 hours ago, Qurac&qansax said:

war kanu ma ayaan Xirsi Magan baa. War miyaadan Muslim aheen

To each their own. But like I said before, you will either change for the better or your kind will go extinct, there is no middle ground. 

[Arafaat]

15 hours ago, Khadafi said:

Impunitive or the lack of justice is what makes nation sink into corruption and decay. Other factors might be ethnic or post-colonial problems that came with the white man. 

Soomaaliya is beutifull and we have have the same ethos, same ethnicity and even the same islamic jurispudence, we are sunni muslims with the shafite madhab and ahlul tariqa. Everyone talks about the tribal afflications that sent Somalia in a somekind of a  bizarre mad-max nation where impunity have become the norm. With the collapse of the semi-communist  regime corrupt  abusive tribal regime of Siyaad Barre and those  tribal jabhads that came after him,  who on earth thaught that a small cult that began najd with the collapse of ottoman empire would  now in Somalia  wage a brutal war of killing and maiming and making takfiir on fellow somalis. Al-shabaab did not pop out from the hole like rabbit. Its sad to see that the HSM government alllowed a brutal kharijite former al-aqeda leader to be the minister of religous affairs. 

Al-shabaab is indeed following the text-book maunal that their wahâabiya-cult did 200 years ago, mainly beliving that before the arrival of Muhammad Binu Abdul Wahab no muslim existed and Muhammad binul cabdul wahab was a man who died 200 years ago. They were famous for killing pilgrims and beliving that the pilgrims were non muslims.   Since 1991, no one noticed and no one has done a proper academical study on these guys but the birth place of wahabism, Saudi Arabia is today returning to tradiional sunni Islam, speciallly the Hijaz. The burdwa that was  discouraged and said was "no no" was read by a meccan reciter a year ago in Makka-Sharif The saudis under the current leadership have slowly cut the funds to these people while we Somalis submitted the bizarre post of religous affais to Rooobow Abuu Mansuur. Some would argue that its good with defections but has he officaly in a state interview condemned wahabiyada and their books or way of thinking ?  Even he defected why give him a minsterial post? If we are unable to do justice just as justice was done against the old man Hassan Daahir Aweys who is busy conveying his extremist bizarre messages on facebook while in house arrest, could not the same be done this guy? We are living in a bizarre world. I used to belive Al-shabaab had a small following in Somalia but if you ask and dig further questions, many have today without knowing it extremist ideas. We are slowly understanding the menace of these people but its time for this  Roobow to go, If justice can not be served for gods sake give post to someone traditional sunni belifs, Just see how bizarre the picture is. From a  bomb-maker to minister. Thats Somalia in a nutshell. 

Nin aanan yaabin ayaa yaabay. War aaway culumadii diinta inoo keenay!.? 

 

 

 

Indeed, Somali’s need to come to terms with the atrocities committed in the last four decades or so, and to reveal and with that also reflect on the past wrongdoing and extremist ideologies and banners under which different state and non-state actors have propagated violence, killings and animosities between people’s. 

This could contribute in the healing process, resolving residual conflicts left over from the past and to restore communal ties. Even for the purpose of learning, it would help to break out from this vicious cycle of routing and jumping from one extremist bandwagon to another, and from one  conflict stacking another on top of it.

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

what about the attrocidies before four decades 

what about the crimes the mad mullah committed  in the late 19 century and early 20th century

 

 

[Game changer]

If any Somali wants to eliminate alshabaab ,  we should first reduce the amount of wahabi masjids popping up  in every village.   These filth Arabs are taking advantage of our poorness ,    

[Arafaat]

2 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

what about the attrocidies before four decades 

what about the crimes the mad mullah committed  in the late 19 century and early 20th century

 

 

That’s for historians to write about, as non of those people involved are alive today. 

The recent and more painful past is personal and tend to affect relations between people today, as those who were part of it are very much alive. 

[maakhiri1]

3 hours ago, Game changer said:

If any Somali wants to eliminate alshabaab ,  we should first reduce the amount of wahabi masjids popping up  in every village.   These filth Arabs are taking advantage of our poorness ,    

very valid point, there was another person talking about how we were Shafi etc, the country, east to west, is overrun with WAHHABI ideology, i could not even people how places where I thought were safe from this extreme foreign ideology like Hargaisa,  is completely dominated by shabab like or very close.

Most of the people in Mogadishu , specially BIG business , are shabaab sympathisers, it is hard truth

[maakhiri1]

5 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

what about the attrocidies before four decades 

what about the crimes the mad mullah committed  in the late 19 century and early 20th century

 

 

Xaaji, weli ma u ciil qabta, the Dervish movement? imagine if they did not come, How many people in North be Christians?  %20? %50?

[Game changer]

12 hours ago, maakhiri1 said:

Xaaji, weli ma u ciil qabta, the Dervish movement? imagine if they did not come, How many people in North be Christians?  %20? %50?

Our few Christians were more productive than the entire muslim population of somaliland , may be it was better for us to be Christians, who knows     it's funny if you think daraawiish and alshabaab are different.   Godane's role model was none other than the mad mullah.   They had the same ideology.  The number of religious somalis needs to be reduced ,

we have to diversify our peaple  if you have 2 sons,  one have to be   religious , and the one  have to be  Westernazed or easternized.   Then evaluate which one is more productive.  

[AhmedGuled]

19 hours ago, Game changer said:

Our few Christians were more productive than the entire muslim population of somaliland , may be it was better for us to be Christians, who knows     it's funny if you think daraawiish and alshabaab are different.   Godane's role model was none other than the mad mullah.   They had the same ideology.  The number of religious somalis needs to be reduced ,

we have to diversify our peaple  if you have 2 sons,  one have to be   religious , and the one  have to be  Westernazed or easternized.   Then evaluate which one is more productive.  

lol...I said the same thing and some asshole accused me of not being Somali. Soomaalidu waa dad madax adag.  They cannot change the way you want them too. Time to move on.

[maakhiri1]

HAVE Somalis  been saved by this act, of forgiving Rooble? If the answer is yes, incentives should be offered to radicals to bring them back. But offering ministers positions,  where it is highly like they can cause harm, should be avoided 

[Arafaat]

On 7/5/2023 at 2:00 AM, maakhiri1 said:

Xaaji, weli ma u ciil qabta, the Dervish movement? imagine if they did not come, How many people in North be Christians?  %20? %50?

Now you’re over exaggerating, the Sayid was ruthless and even prosecuted and burned villages who he perceived as Suufi’s of the wrong school. Much of his opposition and war towards different groups had little to do with Christianity or for accepting English colonial authority, but he had beefs with different groups for all kind of different reasons. He burned down villages of my ancestors because they refused to accept his school of thought, and this is even before he formed the Darvish movement in the east, when his followers consisted mainly of Burco folks. 

FYI, I am not discounting his overall historical significance and that he was a pain in the ass of the colonial authorities and thus deserves his place in the pages of history. But don’t make him a saint either, and his adversaries as followers of the Christian church. Think this topic rightly deserves much more research and debates between historians and should be thought in all Somali schools as it contains lessons certainly .