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President of Somalia Farmaajo Apologises for the actions of former government of Siad Bare in regards to bombing of Hargeisa

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That's thing you are not alone. You have (mis)fortune of being surrounded by Somalis and not all  Somalis within your borders are  on board with your endeavor,

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Oodweyne   
6 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

That's thing you are not alone. You have (mis)fortune of being surrounded by Somalis and not all  Somalis within your borders are  on board with your endeavor,

That is how you see, of course. And I am sure it doesn't surprise you were I say that I see it differently and completely.

And by that I mean so long I have my gun in my right hand (metaphorically speaking) and my liberty on my other hand, then anyone who has a problem with my "version of truth", will have to come at me in the old fashion way. And I really am happy to set him up straight in that task.

You see, the Somali's political universe is not that really complicated. And once you know how matters are always destined to be resolved in the same way and in the same similar fashion our forefathers and our grandfathers used to do things, then you know how the issues of who has the right to govern you will be resolved eventually.

And in so far as Somaliland is concern it will not be Villa Somalia who will govern her and her people, come what may, till the end of times. You can take that to the bank for safe-keeping, if you are that minded to do things of this sort to which you wish to take it to your nearest bank in Boston.

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Apophis   

This sinister and glib “ apology” is actually quite damaging. It shows, again, a politically amateur man with amateur advisers.

A question which must be asked is this, what did he (Farmajo) realise yesterday that he did not know when he appointed that war criminal who boasted it was right to annihilate Somaliland?

As usual he thinks Somalis are fools.

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9 hours ago, Oodweyne said:

Well, I don't know about you and the people you are laden with their "epistemological definition" of what "truth" is. But I know for a fact a "two basic truths", which in turn so means much to me.

And they are these: 

1 - Well, "one truth" of an eternal kind is that we in Somaliland have set it about to get back what we gave away rather foolishly and cheaply in 1960, which was our sovereign right to determined our political destiny. And after much trial and tribulation, and also after experiencing an attempt of a genocide of the worst sort on our people, we have finally won what we have set it out to achieve.

Perhaps, we were a bit worse for wear with fatigue. Seriously bloodied in a middle of mass graves as far as the eye can see, along with destroyed cities. But, still, nevertheless, we came through with one fine liberty under the heavens. And therefore from that we have had a chance to re-start our lives, once again, with as much of a political design we see fit for ourselves and without others being involve in any of our deliberation and the destiny such communal decision will herald henceforth. 

And that is one truth, a functional truth, perhaps, but still all the same, it's a truth that is to us far more pricier in blood and in treasures than in anything else.

2 - The "other truth" in which we do go on to remind ourselves always is that the moment some "defeated ilk" start talking about, and do it ever so loftily, about some concept call "Somalinimo" and how good it is, then at that time it's best to really "oil your gun", prepare your folks for the commencement of the time where matters will have to be decided at the battlefield, as they always end up being done so in that way.

Hence, to us the fact that Mr Farmaajo talks about some sense of what "Somalinimo" means (at least to him), is essentially a tell-tale sign that he is basically telling us that hasn't given-up of the ghost of his defeated ilk and their ignominious history.

After all his defeated uncle (i.e., Gen. Afweyne) never for once stopped actually talking about "Somalinimo", whilst at the same time committing a genocide on the same such Somalis in which he was forever and endlessly calling for them to believe in his version of "Somalinimo".

And therefore that means we shouldn't be foolish enough to be lulled into any other posture other than that of "extreme vigilant". Which is why this non-apology apology from Mr Farmaajo actually and basically opened a door to us in so far as his inner soul is concern. 

So we thank him of showing us his true color (as it were).      

Lol @ Oodka,

Saaxiib, I gotta give it to you: You sure can work a delusion like a street corner. 😁

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gooni   

Waxaa jirta "been" shareecadu banaysay.

Waxaa kaloo jirta "xan" shareecadu banaysay.

Beenta shareecadu banaysay waa tan islaax ama wanaag ka dhex samaynaysa mujtamac muslimiin ah ama labo qof oo cadaawad isu qaaday.

Xantana waxaa laguu baneeyay markaad wanaag naftaada u doonayso

Tusaale
Hadii aad guursanayso oo aad gabar qurxoon aragto balse aadan aqoon dhaqamadeeda kale way kuu banaantahay inaad xan raadiso.

Farmaajo been shareecadu banaysay yuu idiin sheegay walaalayaal.

Nin guulaystay raali galin ma dalbado asagaa raali galin bixiya.

Markaan leeyahay waan is dilnay ee aan heshiino ku ekaada, waxaan idinka saarayaa, daciifnimada raali gelinta, ee khalad hayga fahmina, dad wanaagsan yaad tihiin.

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Oodweyne   

^^^^ Gooni,

Saaxiib, Alle maxa aad isku xoqdey waxa aanad garasho iyo ragninmo midkoodna ku gaadheyn. Yaa kugu yidhi Somaliland ahaan waxa aanu sugeynay raali galin? Yaase kugu yidhi daciifnimo ayaa nagu jirta?

Yaa nadal Ina-Gumeed, weydii adeeradaa waxa ay tahay daciifnimo. Hadaan kuu sheego waxa ay tahay daciifnimo, waa ta maanta ah in kii kuu adeerka ahaa ee Afweyne fuleynimo isaga oo la gariiraya uu Xamar uga cararey sanadkii 1991. Oo waliba si laajinimo ahna ugu dhintey isaga oo Qaxooti ku ah Nigeria sannadkii 1995.

Daciifnimo waa ta maana ku kaliftey in Inaadeerkaa Ina-Farmaajo uu African lasoo kireeyey isku ilaaliyo isaga oo Villa Somalia dhex fadhiya. Daciifnimo waa ta keentey in maanta Gedo marna Amxaar injirley ka taliso marna Kenyaati ugaali kasoo dhergay oo soo cuney ay ku kaadiyaan. Daciifnimo waa ta keentay in aadan awoodin in gobolkii aad kasoo jeeday ee kale ee Gal-Mudug ku yaaley aanad aayihiisa ka talin karin adiga oo aan beesha Il-Jeex udaba fadhiista taladaas mooye.

Waa taas daciifnimo.

Anaga waxa aanu nahay dad dhulkoodii ka taliya, maalinkan maanta ah. Oo waliba ku darsoo, kuwa tolkaa ah ee mareexanka ah ee Hargiesa dhoobanina waa indho-foorariyaan oo dhulka ayey eegaan, cabsi daraateed, marka aad ku tidhaahdo waar yaad aheydeen. Waataas fuleynimo Ina-Gumeednimo ah oo daciifnimo ahi. Waa run Afweyne waxba noomuu reeban. Laakiin guushii anaka ayey nala joogto maalinkan maanta ah. Oo isagu oo fuley la eryadey ah ayuu taarikhda sooyaaalka Somaaliyeed ku qoran yahay.

Waa run waxa uu ka tagey dhaawac badan oo ay kow ka tahay xabaalo wadareeydo farabadan oo uu dhulka nooga sii buuxiyey. Hase-ahaatee, laba kuma murmeyso cidda maanta taladeedii dib u soo hantidey wax kasta oo ku qaadateyba. Iyo Cidda magan dad kale ugu ah taladoodii, sida Ina-Farmaajo oo kale iyo dowlad ku sheegiisa.

Waataas guushu kama dembeysta kuwa heysta iyo kuwa aan heysanin waxba (inta aan ka aheyn shaad-dowladeed oo ay beesha caalamku ay u galisey si ay dantoosa uga fushadaan mooyee) sida ay ukala eg yihiin ee ay u kala duwan yihiin, yaa nadal Ina-Gumeed.

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Oodweyne   
3 hours ago, Tillamook said:

Lol @ Oodka,

Saaxiib, I gotta give it to you: You sure can work a delusion like a street corner. 😁

You mean like the delusion of the kind you are ailing with, which in turn convinces you to talk a great game about the affairs of Sool region and its political destiny, at least from the distance, and when matter gets to a close quarter affairs and in a hand to hand sort of account taking, sees you running a mile away from such "bothersome encounter", which is what your cowardly and slovenly clique were always known to do it.

That kind of touching delusion I get it is what you referring to, right? Or am I altogether in a different street corner when it comes to "summarizing" you and your ilk in here, yea yellow-bellied plonker? Let me know how closer to the mark I am in defining the waffling delusion of your ilk to a tee.😎 

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Holac   

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I am not sure Farmaajo is the best person to do this, but apology is a welcome first step nonetheless, to right the wrongs of the past and start the closure process for hunderds of thousands of Somalis in the North impacted by the regime's violence. 

 

 

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Oodweyne   
4 hours ago, Holac said:

I am not sure Farmaajo is the best person to do this, but apology is a welcome first step nonetheless, to right the wrongs of the past and start the closure process for hunderds of thousands of Somalis in the North impacted by the regime's violence.

Holac,

Saaxiib, you used to be one of the more sensible sort chaps around here of SOL, or at least you were. Hence, it's pity that you have easily fallen for the silly game of Mr Cheeseman. And I say that since you should know by now that we in Somaliland are not really looking for any kind of apology from his kind of cowardly opportunist. Nor could anyone ever said of us that we were banking on to receive some kind of moral "closure" or even a process of healing.

For we have done that already. After all, liberty to be a master of your own land is the best healer that is actually known to man. And we have our fill of it ever since we have regained our freedom through the old fashion way of the business end of loaded gun. 

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galbeedi   

This man from Ansalooti, Mogadishu, doesn't know culture or history. THere is no such thing as Reer Woqoyi in terms of the last Somali civil war. I have no problem If Farmaajo want to apologize on behalf of the Gedo community.

 

I tried to avoid this topic because thousands of innocent Somalis had been killed during the civil war either from  the Somali state or the rebels. And unless you walked with someone else's shoes, you can not present fairly the extend of these crimes.

 

LIke most rebels of that era SNM, USC and others were angry and tribal to the core. And in our tradition, if you became a victim of an angry tribal mob, may Allah have a mercy on you. Wherever they had an opportunity to kill they never hesitated. When the war broke in 1988 and they encountered the early defeat , they SNM massacred and killed anyone who belonged the wrong tribe. Shop keepers, public servants and others were murdered in daylight.

 

I am always amazed by those who frame the issue like the Somali state being the one who waged the war and invaded cities.

 

Ma dawlada Soomaaliyeed baa ku duushay Hargeisa, mise SNM oo koontaraad ay dalka ku duminayso ka soo qaadatay Mengistu ayaa dalka ku soo duushay?

 

It was the angry Somali rebels who were the aggressors on behalf of foreign government. The Somali state was defending the territorial integrity of the country. What would any government do , if a tribal movement armed by a historical enemy occupies the second largest city in a suicide mission? you defend it with any means necessary.

 

When Mohamed I Cigal was selected by elders in Borama, former president C/raxman Tuur (AHN) and his supporters refused to accept and opposed his administration. Since Egal considered himself as a government, he waged a war to bring back the rebels by any means necessary. He bombed Burco city with altelary and the people have to abandon the city and relocate to new place called Yiroowe. Some estimate up to 5000 people being killed in a two year war.

 

After he defeated the rebels by the barrel of the gun, he then started a reconciliation.  Knowledgeable people will tell you that more people had died in Burco than the the earlier war of 1988. In fact, most of the city was destroyed after 1991. Egal even bombed Hargeisa airport to dislodge from South Hargeisa clans (Suldaanka and company) in 1996.

 

If Egal who was controlling Hargeisa, Berbera and Borama could bomb everyone for submission to  preserve his non existent government, certainly the Somali state has every right to fight the rebels contracted by Mengistu of Ethiopia. Why not Awdal or someone try to day to separate?. The SNM Habro will use their army to destroy Borama and masacre the civilian just like they did in 1991. 

Maasajidka Ciyaarta ka Daaya.

 

Who is going to give apology to the hundreds of thousands of Somalis who died because of the actions of these hungry and angry rebels rented by Ethiopia? Who will give apology to the 300,000 Somalis who died with starvation in the south due to the tribal war waged between the D block and USC? Who will give appology to the thousands perished in high seas to esxape the misery of the tribal governments.

Walaahi dalagii ay dadka koonfur galbeed beerteen ayey godadkii kala baxeen qolyihii is eryenayey ee D & H, weliba waxii ay arkeena way dhaceen . Illaa markii dambe gaajo iyo colaad loo dhintay.

Unlike the corrupt tribal rebels of Somalia and their supporters who travel between Addis,, Yemen, London and Nairobi, the typical Somali rural and villager between the rivers had nowhere to run. They live of the land. They did not had passport or another country to travel, that is why they dies in hundreds of thousands, yet no one is talking about them.

Waxay dhib iyo hallaag jabhadu noo geysteen oo dalkii naga dumiyeen ayaa weliba iyaga raali galin la siinayaa.

Aan ooye Albaabka ii xidha.

 

This opportunist Farmaajo and the few stooges who are accompany him do not have the capacity , temperament  or even the communicative skills to explain or  right the wrongs of the civil war. 

 

We are the so called Reer  Woqoyi and he doesn't speak for us. If the Gedo community want to apologize to the SNM community, by all means go ahead, but do not generalize us with those who have grievances with the Somali state of yesterday. Certainly we have other grievances like under development and lack of roads in our region since most of the state development of Somalia  in the Kacaan era were  invested  between the two rivers and Benaadir and Hargeisa/Berbera corridor. We have nothing against the Somali state and we are willing to take our space among the free Somalis under the sun.

 

Muuse Biixi who has his own documented crimes to answer might have persuaded Farmaajo  to pronounce this useless apology,  but this move will not even soften the clan at this stage. 

 

If you are serious about a real reconciliation of the crimes of the Somali civil war, then appoint a truth commission where everyone has to confess and tell their story. Yet, no matter how loud microphone the SNM habro use to amplify their cases and try to bury their own crimes, the truth will not disappear. This is not 1945, were those who were present are dying. Those who were present when the crimes of SNM in the north and USC in the south and MOgadishu were committed are live and kicking. 

 

WE even have  cases against Muuse Biixi himself with witnesses ready  to testify in a court. 

 

Farmaajo might try to fool people and those he is trying to get their  votes, but he will not fool us , because we  know  history and culture. It was us the USP unionists who forced the union in 1960, and it looks that it is up to us to bring that union again despite the current braggadocio and false invincibility of the SNM boys. History repeats itself.

 

 

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gooni   

Saxiib Dr.oodweyne
Xasan shekh wuu raali geliyay snm waxba kama maqal, shekh shariif sidoo kale.

Raali gelinta farmaajo waa mid lagu qanci karo sababtoo ah siyaad barre yaa adeer u ahaa.

Su'aashu waxay ka taagantahay marka.

Waad ka guulaysteen taliskii siyaad barre sidaad sheegaysaan, dagaal dhiig badan ku daatayna dhulkii ingiriisku idiin meegaaray, yaad kusoo cesheteen 

Waxaa intaas dheer inaad xataa koonfurtii kasii saarteen adinkoo adeegsanaya walaalihiin usc oo aan dad iyo duunyaba waxba ka reebin.

Intaas markay dhacday soomaaliya, yaa laga rabaa raali gelin 30 sano ka dib?

Aniga jawaabtadu, waa in la raali geliyaa daciifka mar walba si horay loogu socdo.

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Dhaqaale   
5 hours ago, galbeedi said:

This man from Ansalooti, Mogadishu, doesn't know culture or history. THere is no such thing as Reer Woqoyi in terms of the last Somali civil war. I have no problem If Farmaajo want to apologize on behalf of the Gedo community.

 

I tried to avoid this topic because thousands of innocent Somalis had been killed during the civil war either from  the Somali state or the rebels. And unless you walked with someone else's shoes, you can not present fairly the extend of these crimes.

 

LIke most rebels of that era SNM, USC and others were angry and tribal to the core. And in our tradition, if you became a victim of an angry tribal mob, may Allah have a mercy on you. Wherever they had an opportunity to kill they never hesitated. When the war broke in 1988 and they encountered the early defeat , they SNM massacred and killed anyone who belonged the wrong tribe. Shop keepers, public servants and others were murdered in daylight.

 

I am always amazed by those who frame the issue like the Somali state being the one who waged the war and invaded cities.

 

Ma dawlada Soomaaliyeed baa ku duushay Hargeisa, mise SNM oo koontaraad ay dalka ku duminayso ka soo qaadatay Mengistu ayaa dalka ku soo duushay?

 

It was the angry Somali rebels who were the aggressors on behalf of foreign government. The Somali state was defending the territorial integrity of the country. What would any government do , if a tribal movement armed by a historical enemy occupies the second largest city in a suicide mission? you defend it with any means necessary.

 

When Mohamed I Cigal was selected by elders in Borama, former president C/raxman Tuur (AHN) and his supporters refused to accept and opposed his administration. Since Egal considered himself as a government, he waged a war to bring back the rebels by any means necessary. He bombed Burco city with altelary and the people have to abandon the city and relocate to new place called Yiroowe. Some estimate up to 5000 people being killed in a two year war.

 

After he defeated the rebels by the barrel of the gun, he then started a reconciliation.  Knowledgeable people will tell you that more people had died in Burco than the the earlier war of 1988. In fact, most of the city was destroyed after 1991. Egal even bombed Hargeisa airport to dislodge from South Hargeisa clans (Suldaanka and company) in 1996.

 

If Egal who was controlling Hargeisa, Berbera and Borama could bomb everyone for submission to  preserve his non existent government, certainly the Somali state has every right to fight the rebels contracted by Mengistu of Ethiopia. Why not Awdal or someone try to day to separate?. The SNM Habro will use their army to destroy Borama and masacre the civilian just like they did in 1991. 

Maasajidka Ciyaarta ka Daaya.

 

Who is going to give apology to the hundreds of thousands of Somalis who died because of the actions of these hungry and angry rebels rented by Ethiopia? Who will give apology to the 300,000 Somalis who died with starvation in the south due to the tribal war waged between the D block and USC? Who will give appology to the thousands perished in high seas to esxape the misery of the tribal governments.

Walaahi dalagii ay dadka koonfur galbeed beerteen ayey godadkii kala baxeen qolyihii is eryenayey ee D & H, weliba waxii ay arkeena way dhaceen . Illaa markii dambe gaajo iyo colaad loo dhintay.

Unlike the corrupt tribal rebels of Somalia and their supporters who travel between Addis,, Yemen, London and Nairobi, the typical Somali rural and villager between the rivers had nowhere to run. They live of the land. They did not had passport or another country to travel, that is why they dies in hundreds of thousands, yet no one is talking about them.

Waxay dhib iyo hallaag jabhadu noo geysteen oo dalkii naga dumiyeen ayaa weliba iyaga raali galin la siinayaa.

Aan ooye Albaabka ii xidha.

 

This opportunist Farmaajo and the few stooges who are accompany him do not have the capacity , temperament  or even the communicative skills to explain or  right the wrongs of the civil war. 

 

We are the so called Reer  Woqoyi and he doesn't speak for us. If the Gedo community want to apologize to the SNM community, by all means go ahead, but do not generalize us with those who have grievances with the Somali state of yesterday. Certainly we have other grievances like under development and lack of roads in our region since most of the state development of Somalia  in the Kacaan era were  invested  between the two rivers and Benaadir and Hargeisa/Berbera corridor. We have nothing against the Somali state and we are willing to take our space among the free Somalis under the sun.

 

Muuse Biixi who has his own documented crimes to answer might have persuaded Farmaajo  to pronounce this useless apology,  but this move will not even soften the clan at this stage. 

 

If you are serious about a real reconciliation of the crimes of the Somali civil war, then appoint a truth commission where everyone has to confess and tell their story. Yet, no matter how loud microphone the SNM habro use to amplify their cases and try to bury their own crimes, the truth will not disappear. This is not 1945, were those who were present are dying. Those who were present when the crimes of SNM in the north and USC in the south and MOgadishu were committed are live and kicking. 

 

WE even have  cases against Muuse Biixi himself with witnesses ready  to testify in a court. 

 

Farmaajo might try to fool people and those he is trying to get their  votes, but he will not fool us , because we  know  history and culture. It was us the USP unionists who forced the union in 1960, and it looks that it is up to us to bring that union again despite the current braggadocio and false invincibility of the SNM boys. History repeats itself.

 

 

Yep I have to agree with your analysis of Somaliland and Egal. Spot on, you have it right. When tur refused to give up the title of president fighting erupted in Somaliland. This is why I think Farmaajo should not apologize until the SNM come clean about the things they did.

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Amigos   

Ustaad Oodweyne, perhaps my light disciplining of this Jinn-whisperer inagumeed has saved his ungrateful soul from the irreparable damage your post would have caused 😁

As such one can view my chastising as... a show of mercy  😁

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Oodweyne   

^^^^Amigos,

Waar ma aragtey, jawaabtii talantaaliga aheyd ee aanu siiney kan Ina-Gumeedka fuleyga ah ee waliba hadhkii ka carara ah ee Galbeedi lay yidhaahdo, waa laga saarey meesha.

Sida u muuqatana, kii darbi-ka-tuugsadayaasha kasoo jeeday ee halkan kaciyi jirey ayaa ka saarey meesha. Ileyn dood rageed looma oga isaga iyo looma-ooyaankiisaba. Oo wuxuu isleeyahay sidaas wax uga celi Galbeedi

Ala maxaa mid "xiniinyo-iska-waa-ah", Ina-Gummeed asal biyo ismarin ah, oo waliba "hadhkii-ka-cararnimo" usii dheer tahay halkan SOL ah soo jaqalo-weyn.

Waar yaadheheen, iskeen siiya oo waxba haku dhuumana dood la tirtiro ama la masaxo, marka wax aad ku jawaabtaan aad iska weydaan

Ogaada, Ilma-Gummeedow, sidaas rag lays kagama celiyo. Ee xiniinyo, dood, taariikh, suugaan, gabayo, maah-maah, cilmi, hoga-tussaleyn, iyo duur-xul waran ka kulul, ayaa ragga aad is heysaan lagu boqno-gooyaa ama lagala hortagaa.

Sidaas-daraateed, taas halkan lakaalaya oo gaashaan ka dhigta. Laakiin dhaqanka ah doodaha ragga kale idinkaga dhiijiyaan ee ay idinku adhax-jabiyaan ama idinku doc-wareemaan, lama masaxo, oo taasu waxba idinka celin kari meyso, yaa Ilma-Gummeed.

Gebo-gebo, balanteenu, Ilma-Gumeedow, waxa weeye in aad iga gudoontaan dood waran ka kulul. Oo ah dood qodobeysan, idinkuna maqaarsiibo, boqno gooyena idinku noqota. Waa taas, balanteenu, yaa nadal iyo naxli is urursadayow. 

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Amigos   

Who deleted the two posts and on what grounds? 

Oodweyne, you are absolutely on the money, wixii ka hadhay Afweyne bee meesha isugusoo ururey difaac ku jira. 

How come not a single one of Galbeedi's proven lies was deleted? Odayga beenta laguu cadeeye —on multiple occasions including this very thread— ma waxaad garanweydeen hadal ku difaaca? 😁

Unlike Aw-Beenaale (Jinn whispered sweet nothings into my ears last night) above, sources were included in the posts, is that why you got so shook?  

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