Old_Observer Posted July 3, 2018 There is an idea making the grapevine in Ethiopia to bring together all organizations and governments that fought in the last 50 years. Including Mengistu himself. A big festival in Addis Ababa and all hand shaking and cchit chating in public. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tillamook Posted July 3, 2018 Old Observer, the not-so-funny comedian..๐ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dahireeto Posted July 3, 2018 You see,ย in Somalia, clans fought each other, not people. loool. I know you will say, that doesn't make sense. Who are the clans? Aren't they made up of individuals? Yes, but in Somalia, the clan fighters are to always remain unknown. ย ย ย 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted July 3, 2018 It's very difficult for somalis it's to radical to many conflicts. For example the mudug divide habargangster clan and the pirates up north. The Mogadishu war cali Mahdi vs caydiid.ย Caydiid butchering Mogadishu residents who shared an abtirsi with afweyne. Imagine your own neigbor killing you. It was very ugly dagaalki ehliga. Then gen gabyowย and moorgen and barre hiiraale fighting over kismayo.ย Caydid conquering bay and bakool. It's It's cycle of violence for Somalis. And thats only koonfurians doing that to each other. What about the crimes general afweyne moorgenย gaani canjeex maslax and cali samatar and tuke. Committed against the people of Somaliland. Somaliaย And Somaliland divide is even worse. ย War waxa inugu faqfaqina.ninwalba waxbu tirsanaya. Laga lug bixiyi mayoo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old_Observer Posted July 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Tillamook said: Old Observer, the not-so-funny comedian..๐ Pessimist lol Did you atleast imagine for a second which groups would be invited in Somalia? ย Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old_Observer Posted July 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said: It's very difficult for somalis it's to radical to many conflicts. For example the mudug divide habargangster clan and the pirates up north. The Mogadishu war cali Mahdi vs caydiid.ย Caydiid butchering Mogadishu residents who shared an abtirsi with afweyne. Imagine your own neigbor killing you. It was very ugly dagaalki ehliga. Then gen gabyowย and moorgen and barre hiiraale fighting over kismayo.ย Caydid conquering bay and bakool. It's It's cycle of violence for Somalis. And thats only koonfurians doing that to each other. What about the crimes general afweyne moorgenย gaani canjeex maslax and cali samatar and tuke. Committed against the people of Somaliland. Somaliaย And Somaliland divide is even worse. ย War waxa inugu faqfaqina.ninwalba waxbu tirsanaya. Laga lug bixiyi mayoo It looks impossible until you look at it from a practical point of view. What is the alternative? Wait until one tribe wins over the other. Burry the history forget the wrongs and move on? At least maybe a good idea to do it regionally over smaller wrongs than 1991 or 1988 or 2006 or others, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted July 3, 2018 The koonfurians don't want to openย that book. We have discussedย this topic excessively here on solย sinceย 2000. After Carta. Because it's to sensitive to controversial.ย And in somali tribal society with stubborn Somalis all extremely proud garina ma gasho It's hardย To find a middle ground. Perhaps surivial of the fittest ninkiย roon reerka ha u hadho. Oday awoowgayย ah oo beri hore dhintay ayaa yidhiย dhanka hawsha itoobiya anagu joogna. Qabiilku haa wadda loolaman sidi labba quroomood eh. Qaabil iyo haabil baa qadham bay iskaga siiyeen eh. ย Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maakhiri1 Posted July 3, 2018 Yes, the meeting will happen in hell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tillamook Posted July 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said: It's very difficult for somalis it's to radical to many conflicts. For example the mudug divide habargangster clan and the pirates up north. The Mogadishu war cali Mahdi vs caydiid.ย Caydiid butchering Mogadishu residents who shared an abtirsi with afweyne. Imagine your own neigbor killing you. It was very ugly dagaalki ehliga. Then gen gabyowย and moorgen and barre hiiraale fighting over kismayo.ย Caydid conquering bay and bakool. It's It's cycle of violence for Somalis. And thats only koonfurians doing that to each other. What about the crimes general afweyne moorgenย gaani canjeex maslax and cali samatar and tuke. Committed against the people of Somaliland. Somaliaย And Somaliland divide is even worse. ย War waxa inugu faqfaqina.ninwalba waxbu tirsanaya. Laga lug bixiyi mayoo Xaaji Xunduf,ย I'm sure no oneย has theย sort of encyclopaedicย knowledge about the myriad atrocities that took place all across Somaliaย during the civil war...ย so answer me this: why is it that your political leaders are the ones ย who canโt help but dig up the bones and sinews of civil war victims justย to score someย petty politicalย points and wonโt allow bygones to be bygones. How do you expect our nation to move forward and reconcile? ย ย Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tillamook Posted July 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, Ducale said: Remembering our dearly departed help us "move forward". You can't ignore reality and ecpect to move on like nothing happened. But I think you should blame the kacaan for leaving so many mass graves.ย ย Besides its not like they left a map. It would have saved us lots of time. ย ย You need to act like an adult and address whatโs at hand without talking nonsense. You blame the Kacaan, right? Is the Kacaan in existence now? Didnโt the Kacaan destroy the whole nation? Didnโt all Somalisย rise up against itย ย and bringย it down? So why do you still choose to cry about a Kacaan that is dust and gone? You h@brosย have some seriously low ย self-esteem that you need to collectively get over. Andย maybe, just maybe,ย you should try to emulate your fellow Somalis for once in your lives,ย who by their own nature, hardiness and endurance haveย overcomeย theย nightmares of the civil war and look forward to a brighterย future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tillamook Posted July 3, 2018 ^ Its a pity that I attempted to have a cogentย discussionย ย with a troop of delirious baboons..๐ Alright my simian friends, continueย unearthing the remains of your deceased ancestors in the hopes of that elusiveย recognition.๐ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted July 3, 2018 In most civil wars, rebel groups that overthrow governments assume leadership and don't destroy the state. In Somalia, one group tried to dismember the country and the other went on rampage. Whatever Siyad's shortcomings were, it was the sole responsibility of the rebel groups to rescue the country from the brink once he was out of the picture. So, if USC and SNM are claiming victory, anything that happened after Barre was their sole responsibility. They should have been prepared for the day after. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted July 3, 2018 Cheย valid pointsย SNM was a veryย pragmatic and democratic rebel movement. President siilaanyo and president tuur and Ibrahim meygaag samatar head of SNM guurti had a clear plan. A USCย SNM gov in a lose federation 2 armies one flag one foreign policy. But gen caydiid couldn'tย deliverย cali mahdiย declared him self president in djibouti we heard on the BBC that Somalia had a new president..ย ย Caydiid was to harsh onย the Dย clan and to soft on his own clan. We had to declare independenceย and unite our people. So we organized the burco independence conferenceย and the rest you know. Anagu xamar dooni meyno xumaana ugeysan mayno that was the motto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted July 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ducale said: One rebel group rescued their part ofย the country and made peace with other clans. The biggest mistake snm made was not pushing forward to galkacayo as was the plan and fumigate those who later brought in the tigaray.ย If snm stayedย with their original plan things woulf have gone differently. There wouldn't be a jajuus state called puntland.ย ย Laakiin halka Allah ayey ka qorneyd iney xalaadu sidan ahaato.ย ย Seek help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samafal Posted July 3, 2018 LoL@crazy claims of Qaat induced Jeegaan is amazing. Wallahi if delusion could win, it would be these lot that would win something. Their bitterness of Reer Puntland reached a level where they claim if we had donethis, this would not have happened. Bal why don't you come true of your wishes and march to Gaalkacyo now? Why if we had? Afterall you have strongest army in Horn of Africa, right? So, go ahead and do it now. This SNM thing you so fondly talk about was the most failed armed rebel group in the country. The only thing they ever did was to throw bullets and hide behind women and children , and that was what led to the dictator levellling a whole town to the ground. Caqli xumo iyo fulaynimo wataas. After that they were nowhere to be seen. They only reappeared when the government collapsed in 1991, sameway SSDF reappeared out of nowhere. And by the way ifย any rebel group weakened the Siyaad, it was SSDF. They had real army that fought government many battles, where as SNM was just a gorrila movement same way as Alshabaab do. USC have ultimately overthrown the government but the Somali army was already weakened, and they used clan sentiment very well. Case in point how they captured Mogadidhu. But credit of overthrowing Siyaad goes to them and not SNM or SSDF, as if they did not overthrow him, today theย government would be intact in those areas as they both have been defeated. ย Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites