^^^upsy-daisy

^^^Shiekh Kheyr, give it up. When you went from shiekh Kheyr to sheikh , Jannadii baa ka faraboodey. Nothing Islamic you say holds water anymore, time to retire. [ February 08, 2006, 19:49: Message edited by: Rahima ]

Originally posted by Zero: quote:Originally posted by General Duke: Remember before us in the wold did not even have the concept of 0[zero]. ^ . They had the concept of Zero before Islam, but is was not as developed theortically and mathematically. That's true. The zero was invented by the Indians, the decimal by the chinese.

^^^Some1 woke from the wrong side of the bed this morning.

Wicked videos man! Good to have another chelsea fan on board. The anti-chelsea brigade in this site, sizeable one, have been unrelenting in their incessant gripes against the Mighty Blues. Envy can bring out the worst in man. Best seen in anti-chelsea fans. Watch this page get overrun by the Anti-Chelsea brigade crawling of the woodwork. Hold tight!

Originally posted by Simply_I: some ppl are concerned enough to actually speak out while others are too busy with their daily routines to actually notice what is going on. And the cleanest dog has the mange! Lol!

Originally posted by Say(y)id Qutb: Socod_Badne, I will not debate with you because from what I've seen so far from you, you really don't deserve to be debated with. I saw a post that you made a couple of years ago, where you were saying that "muslims" don't need to unite because we don't need unity, so please stop playing "shias" are muslim + unity card! Dude, I don't want debate either. That is why I asked you a question, which you still haven't answered. Let me try again: Can you be a muslim without professing the Shahada? Yes or no?

Originally posted by Castro: ^ Indeed, the clan cancer has metastasized. This terminally ill culture of ours must be euthanized. You think so? That would be tantamount to knocking Earth out it's planetary motion. How does one achieve such daunting task? Nuke 'em?

Originally posted by Bishaaro: Ninkan Rendeshebel, inuu gabdho Somali ah ka daba shaqeeyo maahee, hawl kale ma leh miyaa? :rolleyes: What did you just say? That came out sounding Af-Shimbir.

Let me get this. Both Ahura and CW are in agreement with what D-Yeer said? I'm stumped!

Sayid, Can you be a muslim and not profess the Shahada? If no, then ANYONE who professes the Shahada can be considered a muslim.

Originally posted by zahra.J: I am from China.. I would like to understand your country and colture and life. I want to meet you every one and we will become good friend. It is customary in this place that before one is welcomed they state their qabiil. This is usually done in their introductory thread. Like this one by you. However, I noted you haven't stated your qabiil. Undoubtedly the most egregious affront one can dish out, I personally took great umbrage to it. Talk about making a bad enterance! You can redeem your blemishes. All you must do is state your qabiil and all is forgiven. But be forewarned: forebearance is not part of our lexicon. You MUST state your qabiil! Keep in mind some qabiils are more holy than others, so think carefully dear! In the meantime, you're very unwelcome to SOL.

Sayid, Shias are muslims irrespective of whatever Islamic school of thought pronounces. As we all know there are as many Islamic sects as there are muslim majority nations (I believe there are around 30 muslim nations, give or take few). Along with the accompanying diverse and oft competing schools of thoughts and interpretations. In this exigency their views, who is and isn't a muslim, is not reliable enough to render some groups nonmuslims. After all it would perverse to suggest their branding is bias free. Every sect views itself practicing the perferct version of Islam and all others practicing abberant versions. So, is it then reasonable to take their verdicts as authoritative? Final? Add to the mix the lack of recognised central authority in Islam, like Vatican and Pope with Catholicism, and you got a free-for-all bonanza where every sect -- and there are alot -- is branding every other Kafirs, apostastes, heretics and the whole shebang. The way I see it anyone who professes the Shahada is a muslim. Can one be a muslim without believing one true God and Mohammed (scw) being his messanger? One would be hard-pressed to find ANY muslims who do. Hence, a good litmus test for any muslim should be the profession Shahada. Of course professing the Shahada alone doesn't fullfil all your Islamic obligation. But it doesn't negate your faith in Islam either. Only renders your faith incomplete, lacking... if a muslim only professes the Shahada but doesn't or does infrequently: prayers, paying Zakat, fasting etc. That muslim would only be lagging in his religious duties! From my limited understanding of Shiasm, shirking profession of Shahada is not included (I could be wrong!). For this reason, among others, Shias are muslims in my view.

Originally posted by SeeKer: ...I just am interested in the intricacies of interpretations. Aha! This is where I come in! A renowned world expert in Islamic exegesis and hermeneutics. Here is my verdict: interpretations are interpretively interpretive. That is all I have to say for now.

Originally posted by Ahura: ^ Toyboy = a younger love-slave. You mean a gigolo, right?

Originally posted by Khayr: I disagree and we should not take a nonchalant (shiid happens) approach when it comes to our deen, to our deen oriented conventions, to to our rasul (salallahu caliyhe wasilm). Well said Shiekh Khayr. A zero tolerance, no nonesense approach is in order here. There's time for talk and there's time for action. The call for action can't be pooh-poohed any longer. Shiekh Khayr, lets initiate Jihad against the Danes. Whaddya say?

Originally posted by Khayr: You and Ahura have proven my point! Certainly not me my friend. I bathe in holy water every morning. Not sure about pouty Ahura though. Perhaps we should ask her.

Originally posted by Bishaaro: ^^ I think it means a boy to sport around. :rolleyes: To this cultural caveman, your reply doesn't suffice. What do you mean by: boy to sport around? What language is that? Marcian? I'm afraid I've ventured too far from my cave, walking on unchartered territory. Confusion is overtaking all my senses. Please help! Toyboys, boy to sport around... uh-uh! sorry.... no picking it up on my radar.

Originally posted by ibtisam: castro i thinking your negativity is affecting me i refuse to be as negative as you. True... in fact Castro is highly contagious. He needs to be quarantined ASAP then detoxicated. And I'm not refering to wishy-washy kinda of detoxication. His case requires heavy-duty, industrial capacity detoxication. 'Cause only lord knows how poisonous he is. So Ibtisaam, keep save distance from him. That's what I do. In the meantime:

Originally posted by Khayr: Castro, [iThat might be the 'desired outcome' but shaytan takes over and the outcome becomes Confusion and Cynicism of Islamic issues and Scholars. [/i] Which has happened numerous times on this site. Man, how do you know what shaytaan will take-over?

Originally posted by LaVie: Although as previously mentioned having a toyboy is more fashionable nowadays. What do you mean by a toyboy?

Originally posted by Say(y)id Qutb: You either accept islaam or pay the jizyah. I don't get it. Could you be more perspicuous and explain what you mean above?

Originally posted by ThePoint: The media matters greatly - they shape the perceptions of the people who then go on to elect representatives that mirror those perceptions and then these lawmakers have the potential to make discriminatory laws. The media has a huge effect. While the media is highly influential in lands with freedom of the press, enforcing what they disseminate is beyond their influence. First, it's regulated even in lands where freedom of press is guaranteed by law. There are codes of conduct for the press in much of the West. So they're not absolutely free to report as they please. Second, to stay in business and keep audience since they're mostly revenue driven, the media can ill afford to grate public sensitivity sour points. For example, in the US (to the best of knowledge) there are no existing laws prohibiting the broadcasting of ghastly pictures: like dying americans soldiers. The american public would be extremely upset if they were forced to watch dying american teenagers on the telly, hence the media acquiescences its audience's expectations/wishes. Argueably the public has greater influence on what the media says than the other way around as you suggested. Lastly, as every dictatorship of 20th century has shown, citizens don't readily buy everything their media tells them. The citizens of the Soviet Union knew their governments were lying to them even though the media was practically a mouthpiece of the government. Where does that leave your theory that the media considerably molds public's actions and demands? I would argue its the needs of the local time that drive publics actions and demands. Not what they've hear and see on the telly. What I expect is basic respect and tolerance. If Christians have ceded that right for Jesus - I don't know why Muslims should also. But Christians didn't voluntarily surrender the right of respect and decent artistic representation of Jesus, it was taken away from them. They protested, although not as loudly as us muslims are doing now, when Jesus was mockingly depicted in various art pieces. The reality is, as things stand, a western artist can depict ANY revered religious figure or politico anyway he likes. Am I perturbed by it? You bet I am. Not only me, a muslim, but some nonmuslims as well. It is disrespectful and inconsiderate to mock someone's deeply held believes. Having said, what exactly is our outcry aimed at? Concesoring and reprimanding the cartoons and their authors? On what grounds? They havne't broken ANY laws. None! The Danish government has NO legal right to stop the newspaper from printing the cartoons or punish them. We can't demand from the Danish government what they can't legally do and we can't simply say we don't like these pics because of their nature and seriously expect to see change. Since our explicit wish is to not see cartoons mocking our prophet (scw) blasted on front pages, we must look into changing the laws relating to freedom of speech as they are. That is our best option and guarantee against future cartoons of the same flavour.

Looooooool! Why is everyone begging Ahura? Lol! Isn't it apparent she's actively proselytizing misanthropist? Ahura, if you do win, please consider donating to my: Big Tobacco Firms defense fund. You prolly are aware the crushing financial toll on Tobaco firms by all the lawsuits filed against them. So me and other concerned citizens are trying to ameliorate the skyrocketing defense costs incurred by these benevolent gentle giants, helping a bit with the financial burden.

Originally posted by Kooleey: Hardly anyone (except geo-nerds) could point denmark in the map; now its on everyone's lips. I could only name and point to you ALL countries on the map. Is that mean I'm geo-nerd?