Che: Perhaps a better question would be why the secessionists clocking overtime in SOL to redefine Kismaayo? So much noise is coming from XX & Carafaat whenever Kismaayo is mentioned. Why would SNM cult pay so much attention to what goes down in the South? Ma qabiil baa meesha idinka soo galay?

Stop trolling here Marc. We shouldn't lose hope for the lost. Apo, I still got some hope for you. Hanuunka Alla leh.

^To have xamar back as the old xamar and barwaaqo, one clan must run all 16 districts. nice valid point.

^You wanted to cloud the argument by introducing PL into the equation. What's this got to do with PL? You're the first person I come across arguing 'no another Puntland' in the South as if PL was trying to grab land in the south. Waryaa Puntland dhul la'aan ma heyso, waxay leedahay dhul badanoo la daganeyn. Naceybka qabiilka iska saar xaajoow. The thoughts of the people isn't the law of the land. Neither is contributing or lack of, is based on the dastuur. If the president took an oath of office to upheld the law of the land, he can't accept parts of it and refuse other parts. Heck, his presidency will come into questioning if he doesn't back that document which made him the president.

^The dastruur makes it clear that any two gobol or more can join and create their own self-governing state within the federal government. It is this that makes PL, Hiiraan, Khaatumo or Jubbaland, states within the federal government. This is the part of the argument you wanting not to discuss. It is not about army, money or clan affiliations. Maybe those matter to you or others with clan ulterior motives but if that piece of document gives the legal authority to do so, than those three gobolo do have the legal authority to determine their future. Does the dastuur over-write president Hassan? Yes it does. Does president Hassan have a role to pay. Yes he does have an important role to play. That's the end of your argument. Yes the dastuur gives the legal authority to form Jubbaland, regardless of clan affiliations, whether it'd be like PL, Ximan Xeeb, Hiiraan or Galmudug. And your claim PL being ally and not state in the union, is bogus. Maybe you are saying this to justify your secessionist enclave in Hargeysa. I am NOT here to compare what PL or Hiiraan, Galmudug, Ximan Xeeb, Khaatumo did for the government in Muqdisho but since you asked why PL does or doesn't pay the salary of the government employees in Moqdisho? As you admitted, it PL was supporting Moqdisho financially and militarily in the past. It helped put together the conferences that led to the creation of the dastuur. Has any other gobol or state done so? To my understanding, PL was actively involved in supporing Sharif's admin few months ago so unless you have new info, PL was standing behind Moqdisho fairly recently to my knowledge.

If my memory serves me right, I don't think Che endorsed AS suicidal bombing and their heinous criminal enterprise. I suspect he fully understood the dangers of religious warlords than secular ones. I wouldn't paint Che and Maaddeey in the same brush. Maaddeey is a man with strong clan conviction in religious disguise. He doesn't realize the verses and hadiths he's dragging in the mud. Maaddeey wax badan kama duwana ciyaalka niyadda laga xaday ee qoryaha u sida Godane except he is doing it from the comfort of his warm apartment. Ban this puppet.

Xaaji Xunjuf;888374 wrote: Puntland has its own government own cabinet own Police force own coast guards its own Military their own flag It has its own foreign policy the federal government has no say what happens in Puntland it cuts ties when ever it likes with the federal government and than mahiga has to rush and mediate between Puntland and the federal government Imagine the state of NewYork cutting ties with the white house. It just shares the Somalia name i am not sure how you define federalism but that's not how it really works. Hiiraan governor was appointed by Sh sharif, galmudug wants to be similar to Puntland they just have less capacity and they just control a smaller territory. ^So Hiiraan governor was appointed by President Shariif, no problem there. President Yusuf helped set up PL, huge problem there. Waan gartay. In case you didn't realize, I wasn't talking about the current situation on the ground or which politician appointed which, I was asking the legality side of the argument. Does the dastuur differ or make PL an ally and not state within Somalia, than Hiiraan, Ximan Xeeb, Galmudug. What makes PL and possibly Jubbaland a problem states for the president and not Galmudug, Hiiraan, Ximan Xeeb as you argued earlier. It seems you bought the the myth there PL doesn't participate in rebuilding the country and doesn't extend its resources to the cause. PL sent its resources to Baydhabo when the government was seated there, and continued to do so when relocated to the capital and PL activily participated in the federal government so I don't get what makes them an ally state rather than a member state in the union.

Dayniile: Xoogaga Al Shabaab oo goor dhow qabsaday wadanka Zamunda.

So you think PL is just an ally that doesn't come under the federal republic of Somalia. So Somalia and Puntland are just two allied, associate, friends with common relationship and interest, like Russia and USA Sxb you confused me more but let me ask you about other states, Galmudug, Khatumo, Ximan and Xeeb, Cowl state, Hiiraan?

XX: You seem confused sxb. You are saying on one hand PL can't be part of the federal republic of Somalia if it is self-governing state and on anther, you are saying PL can be part of Somalia it if helps building the national army. You are speaking on both sides of your mouth. I was trying to understand what you meant by saying president Hassan doesn't want "another Puntland" in Jubooyinka. I didn't realize PL was illegal in the eyes of dastuurka and that the president was trying to get rid of it or avoiding another self-governing state although there is half a dozen of them in the country. Isn't the same piece of document that made Hassan the president allow self-governing states to form with the federal republic? No?

Che -Guevara;888320 wrote: ^AS doesn't come to Somalia on top of foreign tanks or incite tribal wars. And the sad thing you are worst enemy. AS is least of your worries. This is actually not true. AS did play clan politics and used foreign ammunition and manpower to get into the country.

Xaaji: So you are saying PL can no longer exist under the federal republic of Somalia??

Xaaji Xunjuf;888338 wrote: NGONGE thats not true fawziya might have failed in somaliland politics but if she works for xaasan sheikh and the koonfurians i dont see a problem. Fawziya is not even certain about the whole unity of sl and somalia how harmful can she be. Xassan sheikh so far didnt take any steps towards somaliland that are alarming so far. So far everything is going smoothly hassand and silanyo already had their chit chat. As for kismayo he needs to chill out a bit there he should just make sure the federal state comes under him and not another puntland he should use gen diini and the pm as the face of the govt in those regions. Xaaji maxaa tiri "Not another Puntland"? What does that mean? Ngonge: I don't think his team is that sophisticated to think that much about her appointment. I highly doubt if SL is on this mind at the moment. His fight is with Kenya now. But what I am trying to understand is what leverage does the president have on Kenya or Raas Kimbooni other than talking?? Is he expecting Kenya to leave and Ugandan forces to march down Kismaayo port?

Lol@war cadcadkaan yaa naga qabta. Dr. funny caadi ma aha.

While some of the points raised in the video could be valid, it is going too far and playing into clan sensibilities. This is dangerous talk.

^I don't see the revelavance of today's Kismaayo than that of five years ago. You have Amison troops in Kismaayo today. You have the local sitting up conferences to determine their future with the backing of Amison troops. You've a president in Muqdiso telling locals and Amison troops in Kismaayo to follow his orders without any regards to the local constituents while he is being escorted by Amison army. People seem to have short memory span.

^Speak for yourself man.

See your twisted thought process is wrong. The PM is not a clan representative. He is the PM for the whole country not only Gedo or block D. He can't accept or oppose the constitution to benefit his family or clan. He can have an opinion but his position should remain same as those in the federal government, that this is acceptable in the federal document to have a local admin for the region.

^ There is at least one woman out there that would do any guy. Got the point?

Who would do him?

^The PM is doing his job, working hard to bring the secessionist back to the union. This is a state issue for the PM and it is up to the locals to set up the local admin without much interference from the feds in accordance with the federal constitution.

Gabdhaha maxaa exhibit looga dhigay waxakan gobol ka weynee.

Maxaad ugu diidaysaan ninkaan war moogga ah mar hadiiba warlord Goobaale is leading Presidential delegate to set up admin for Kismaayo. Hassan Sheikh ma saanaa u danbeysay. Over four months in office, Kismaayo iyo dhuxusheeda lee maa loo camal ah. Dalka intiisa kale aaway?

From watching this debate, I learned Muqdisho is a “liberal" place oo qof walba ka taliyo. Ninka ku doodaya Kismaayo Xamaraa looga talinaa hadii kale Utangaa la tagaa waaqica Soomaliya ka jira lama socdo. Cabdirashiid got it right when said the dude war ma hayyo.

I don't understand why Gabbal's block remain mum on the issue of Jubbaland formation. Between the three gobol, they make up close to the majority if not the single majority clan yet they aren't voicing any opinion. I'm sure by now we would have heard from Gabbal and co. Reerka ma PM baa lagu aamusiyay mise dhinacba lug beey kula jiraan.