Americans have little to brag about, Can you believe these two brothers and their body guard push back 3 US squadrons TWICE!!! Those squadrons included the infamous 101 airborn unit and special forces. These so-called elite soldiers ran away on 2 seperate occasion from 3 armed adults and 1 pre-teenager . When they figured the brothers were going down with a fight, they brought the heavy missile lauchers to assault the villa, and thats what did the trick. So what does this tell you about the US army? Biggest COWARDS in the history of war fare thats what. May the brothers rest in peace they died a noble death.

Mr.Oodweyne, You make some very keen points, even though you will soon realize that a logical discussion with some people is hopeless and a waste of time. Mobb_Deep, Even though I don't agree with you, you're truly an unselfish individual who is willing to compromise no matter how large or little to see through a vision. Sad all the somaliweyn supporters do not have such a mentality. If somali politicians understood the meaning of the word "compromise" like you do, I think we wouldn't have so many problems as a greater somali race.

lol..what a bunch a insecure hatas. Military, I remember the girl your talking about. She did look fly too, wish I could help you out but I got no info on her, keep lookin. Maybe the nomads from DC could help you out.

I am not questioning your integrity Darman. Common knowledge of cars just tells me otherwise. 2 main reasons that caught my eye right away after seing your picture. 1-Most cars in North America have a system that cuts off the fuel line once you usually reach a certain speed. (Usually 200-220km/h)If this car was a rental than the system is probably still in place. 2-The dashboard you presented seemed to be a little too outdated for a 2003 vehicle. This is the cockpit of a 2003 Toyota Camry, has you notice the rpm gage and speedometer are different. That's what I noticed. There might be some explanation to this, I'd be glad to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Darman, com'on sxb, you ain't foolin nobody dee. If you really a speed demon like you claim, maybe you should try those speeds instead of showing us some picture you found on the net and putting your name over it. Still I'm glad to see another member who is interested in fast vehicles. p.s That ain't no 2003 Toyota Camry trust me

I hear the Northern Stars are good in the UK league too. Funny thang about this finals is that apparently their wasn't much hate until the North Stars scored the first goal. What ever happened to sportsmanship? Either way, 2-0 North Stars. Need I say more? Quiet Storm, I'm glad to see your nationalistic side has surfaced, its unfortunate it took a bunch of sore-loosers to bring it out. A word of advice sahiib, as some wisemen by the name of "youngbloodz" once said, "Shake 'em off" shake them haters off. If you gonna rep Somaliland, you gonna have to get used to it.

OG girl, Very Good translation sis, Nearly perfect, a few minor mistakes but all in all a Good Job. Impressive I should say and You definetely save me some work here. Thanks

Bit of an outdated article, but worth the read for those who read french and who haven't come across it before. Click on the link for some other Somaliland related articles Lundi 20 août 2001 http://www.letemps.ch/odyssee/articledisplay.asp?ArticleID=71378 Les clans et Internet, la recette du Somaliland, pays sans dettes L'ancien protectorat britannique, séparé de Mogadiscio en plein chaos, connaît aujourd'hui la paix et un développement remarqué. Base idéale des commerçants, entre Asie et Afrique, il ne connaît que deux idéologies, le commerce et Internet Yves Petignat Les changeuses de shillings sur la rue principale de Hargeisa: pour 100 dollars, on repart avec douze liasses de 100 billets de 500 shillings.. Ils sont là, les changeurs de monnaie, leurs liasses de 500 shillings entassées dans de petites caisses grillagées, au bord de la route poussiéreuse, entre la carcasse du Mig dressée à la mémoire des victimes de la répression de Siyad Barré et le carrefour occupé par les dizaines de marchandes de feuilles de qat, l'euphorisant local et quasi officiel. Le change se fait à même la rue: douze liasses de 100 billets, trop volumineuses pour les fourrer dans ses poches, contre une coupure de 100 dollars. Comment, encombré par une fortune aussi voyante, se promener avec un sentiment de sécurité dans les rues populeuses de Hargeisa, la capitale du très précaire Somaliland? «Pas de problème, s'amusent deux jeunes Djiboutiens venus chercher la fraîcheur du haut plateau, ici personne ne risque rien, c'est bien plus sûr que Djibouti ou le Kenya.» La monnaie locale, symbole d'une souveraineté non encore reconnue sur le plan international, et la sécurité, indispensable au commerce, voilà les objets de fierté des Somalilandais. Deux précieux acquis qui les distinguent définitivement des cousins du sud, les Somaliens des bords de l'océan Indien. Parler ici de réunification est considéré comme une trahison. Alors que les clans et les chefs de guerre se disputent toujours Mogadiscio, l'ancienne capitale de la Somalie italienne, qu'ils se battent pour le pouvoir et les dollars issus de toutes sortes de trafics, de son côté l'ancien Protectorat britannique du Somaliland a su en dix ans imposer la paix intérieure et son sens développé des affaires. Juridiquement, le Somaliland n'existe pas. Sa souveraineté, autoproclamée en 1991, n'est reconnue par aucun pays. De crainte de provoquer la susceptibilité des pays membres de l'Organisation de l'unité africaine (OUA), pointilleux sur l'intangibilité des frontières, même l'ONU évite d'y être trop active. Il a donc fallu une dérogation du parlement britannique, en 1994, pour que le président de la nouvelle république, Mohamed Ibrahim Egal, puisse faire imprimer à Londres les fameux billets de 500 shillings. La paix fut bien plus difficile à obtenir. Le Somaliland a payé cher sa résistance à la dictature socialiste de Siyad Barré: villes rasées à plus de 80%, rafles et exterminations massives. Exténuée, la population, s'appuyant sur les clans traditionnels, a imposé pratiquement au Somali National Movement, le mouvement de guérilla, la sécession dès la chute de Siyad Barré, en 1991. Et alors que le Sud s'enfonçait dans l'anarchie et les règlements de comptes, que l'opération «Restore Hope» mobilisait les casques bleus, les médias et les millions de l'aide humanitaire, le Nord construisait sa paix sans l'aide de personne. Il ne fallut pas moins de trois longs «shir», les traditionnelles réunions de chefs de clan, pour évoluer d'une répartition clanique du pouvoir à une formule magique et à un système de consensus, avec amorce de multipartisme, qui font parfois penser à la Suisse, sous la surveillance des chefs traditionnels. La paix était à ce prix. Cela a permis de surmonter la reprise des violences entre 1994 et 1996. En mai, une nouvelle Constitution a été adoptée par 97% des Somalilandais. Avec trois compagnies de téléphone privées, un système scolaire reconstruit sur des ruines, deux universités privées, des hôpitaux soutenus par la diaspora, une explosion du commerce de l'électronique, son système économique ultralibéral, l'absence d'impôts et des taxes ridicules, le Somaliland jouit d'une situation économique et sanitaire enviable par beaucoup d'autres pays africains, explique Ali Mohamed Waran-adde, le ministre de l'Information, démis de ses fonctions une heure après notre rencontre. Le Somaliland est le seul pays du continent à ne pas être endetté. Non reconnu, il ne bénéficie en effet d'aucune aide extérieure, hormis l'assistance de l'Union européenne. Unanime, la population dénonce l'ignorance affichée par la communauté mondiale à son égard, ce qui prive le pays de l'aide économique internationale. Au contraire, Ahmed Dirir Ali, l'un des députés les plus influents du Parti islamique, en pleine ascension, exprime le sentiment de la nouvelle génération des hommes d'affaires enrichis par le négoce entre Afrique et Asie grâce au développement des télécommunications: «La souveraineté, nous l'avons prise, la reconnaissance internationale viendra quand on verra nos résultats. Nous n'avons pas besoin de l'aide humanitaire.» S'il a su trouver une voie propre vers la paix et le développement, faite de pragmatisme, de recours aux racines tribales pour trouver une stabilité et à Internet pour doubler une administration plus virtuelle qu'efficace, le Somaliland n'échappe pas au mal du continent: la corruption. Il ne s'en est fallu que d'une voix, il y a quinze jours, pour que le président Egal soit soumis à une procédure de destitution au sujet de la destination douteuse des indemnités auxquelles Total-Elf venait d'être condamné. Les chefs de clan, qui l'ont porté au pouvoir, l'accusent, lui et son administration, de corruption. La crise menace. La présence du pétrole sur les côtes de Berbera et la perspective du retour des grandes compagnies pétrolières excitent tous les appétits. «La paix nous l'avons. La corruption aussi!» conclut Ahmed Dirir Ali. Cet ancien émigré, formé à Londres et de retour de Dubaï, incarne la voix de la riche et importante diaspora du Canada, de Grande-Bretagne, Danemark ou Suède, qui soutient le Somaliland à bout de bras.

Do these guys honestly ever stop complaining? (TNG) They blame just about everyone but themselves for their shortcomings.

Samurai, Always fishing for a debate aren’t you? Your cheap sarcasm doesn’t really help your arguments sxb. I am very well aware of the so-called federal states solution proposed in Kenya. Now, how and what type of federalism the new TNG invasions is just not clear to me. Each state or region will have autonomy, but will they answer to a national government? (i.e.USA) If there is a no central authority, then it simply isn’t federalism is it? Last I check that wasn’t answered. If you have any new info, by all means share it. Now, misleading yourself and others by stating that the “ideal” of federalism is the reason for some of Puntland’s problems is delusion my friend. I guess what your saying is that Puntland is such a perfect example of federalism, which accounts for all the lack of control that exists in some regions? That is quite humorous. I beg to differ on sophistical refutations, Mr.Sophist seems to give you a little too much credit. But what do I know? I don’t carry such a sophisticated name as he does. Well if there is some truth in what you replied, it is that I don't concern myself with the this idea of federalism. That much you guessed right. However, what you suggested in your last reply is contrary to the idea of federalism with a central authority and Puntland being ONLY a state which shares power with the authority in question. I'll leave it up to you and the rest of the supporters of federalism to mingle in these unclear suggestions of federalism.

Zaylici, thats a good a idea sxb. Remember though, the greatest challenge to men who write their own history (specially somalis) is their impartiality when depicting historic events. Just a reminder and good luck, I'll look out for your book when it comes through inshallah

Clown, 6ers are sick with it niyoo

Bokero, good points. You bring about some rational forethought, I appreciate that. However I don't necessarily agree with you that Economic dependency always wins over politics. Even though I agree with you that in the Long run and I mean not in the near futur, economic dependency will soften any political divisions within respected countries who depend on one another for their economic well being. A good example would be the European Union and its merged economy while maintaining political borders. It took them just a little over half a century to reach this point, do you think its realistic to say somali territories would better that in the near futur? (By better, I mean somalis would not only merge their economies but also their political boundaries)

Originally posted by SmithNwestern: Angel my dear, while Puntland is larger than Somaliland Do you honestly believe that? keep telling yourself that my friend, if it validates your beliefs in the Puntland administration. Far as I'm concerned the legitimate territorial control of the administration in question can be compared to that of the former TNG who controled a few city blocks. Sure they might control a little more than that, but their control is very sketchy at best. The issue of SS&H aside they still do not control all of their "properly" claimed territory. Ironic I find it, that its the same Puntland supporters who critisize Somaliland's sovereignty over SS&H, that are turning a blind eye to these clear cut problems of control within their own region. I'm not gonna point out all the other faults of this administration as it's simply a waste of time and it would be counter-productive to focus on the negative. Its not in my nature to worry about other peoples problems and point them out, but in this case I had to share this point of irony.

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Che guevara, no offense taken sahiib, I usually like your postings and your rational. Wether we always agree is another matter.

I often hear people say their will be Somaliweyn once again and Somaliland will be brought back under its umbrella. What I don't hear often is a plausible way of going about doing that task. So I ask those who are visionaries of the somaliweyn, how this task will be achieved? Wheter your ideas are diplomatic or military, I shall hear your forethoughts. But remember the key to this is PLAUSIBLE SCENARIO. No science fiction please, this is not an episode of star trek

Zadiqa, Walaal where you really expecting sympathy from these people? They don’t understand your unique situation and that of the people of Somaliland in those dreadful days under Barre. It’s only natural for them to revoke their own grievances and losses without being able to separate their personal experiences in order to truly understand where you’re coming from. Each victims of the former regime had a unique situation wheter it be the region now known as Puntland in the early 80’s or the Somalilanders in the late 80’s. Walaal your experience being completely different from any suffered previously by another Somali people and yet not understood by most others, should never be forgotten. If the others choose to ignore the your grievances, or to even acknowledge the reasons for your sentiments concerning a greater Somalia, then let them keep their heads in the sand. The only Unity we need is amongst each other, a Somaliland United and stronger than ever. They have the right to want Somaliweyn and cry for it if they choose so. But fear not, the times you described in your poem are long gone, the former Somalia republic is long dead. We have rebuilt our cities from ashes, our economy is prospering and we are stronger militarily than we had ever been. So what can they do to us? If only their lamentations and sobbing for Somaliweyn would transform into artillery shells than I would slightly be concerned.

Samurai, Even If I were in high school, I'd still see through your ludacrous claims. Mobb, sahiib I was just reffering to the dahabshiil part, I wasn't defending any other remarks.

Originally posted by JamaaL-11: A.J.Timacade lol ...you are becoming a laughing stock indeed. How can a moderator call another nomad a laughing stock ? Samurai a.k.a JACK, you seem to claim to personally know just about every person related to just about any topic that comes up on this thread and others. Forgive me if I don't take you seriously anymore. A.J.T, As far as your statement that dahabshiil is somalilander owned goes, you need not apologize for it sahiib.

Zadiqa, I feel your pain sis.

Naw mobb, this is entertaining, its about time we had a little bit of that in politics section. Originally posted by Paltalk: Military force is our last resort.but if somalilanders fail to give up their ambitions to remains renegade state..They will face the most severe consequences. so Paltalk, when you say "OUR", you and what army are you talking about?

Originally posted by Che-Guevara: walaal, put your feeling aside, and let the current residents of SSH express their feelings about the future of their land . Plz re-read my post and tell me where did i said you were representing the interestof SSH ppl . I only suggest that you and for the matter ppl here who are very removed from reality back home might try to stop speaking on behalf of SSH . [/QB] Do I see a contradiction here? :confused: If your saying I'm trying to speak on behalf of SS&H people, then it necessarily means I'm trying to represent their interest. Maybe your were trying to say something else CHE. Let me know.

lol@Timacadeh quit the hating man, you're right though about REAL games being like watching a show. Simply because no other team can come close and they simply toy with their opposition.

Dinaax thanks for the links sahiib Horn, Lander, no matter what, Islam comes before all, even so-called nationalism. I fail to comprehend the point of this obvious statement.