Originally posted by OG_Girl: Hmm fair!!! I am being fair very fair. Some Somalilanders or shall I say so many of them don't even Say the land is Somaliland but call our Land Ethiopian Land!. Tell me one single Puntlander call that Region Ethiopian Land? Sister, let us not be so sensitive and be honest to each other. You and I know what is going on and how they even deny even our existence and try to lebel us as a group of ONE clan who fighting for Land instead of seeing us we are Somali people who want their land back to them from Filthy Ethiopian. Anyways, in the end right is clear who ever wants to deny other Muslim people's right to just get some temporory intrest. Some times I wonder if we even share the blood as Somali or not!!. Salam OG girl, is it honesty you want? Than lets be honest with one antoher and not be "sensitive" as you suggested about the long history between Somalilanders and the people of region 5. It is way too long to tell in one thread but we do share a long history. You've choosen to present the grievances that are faced by your people regarding the actions of some Somalilanders, which is fair enough but that is a one sided story don't you think? Do you know Somalilanders fought in the pitiful war of ******ia that we all lost? and we where payed back by having OG people under the regime of Siyad Barre come and freely land grab where our people traditionaly lived for centuries. This clan association gave many region 5 people a free hand in the North since they were being oppresed in region 5. When our people where engaged in the struggle agains Siyad's forces, once again they were cheerleading and many where participating against us. No need to dwell on the past, but you need to know that wrong doing isn't a one way street when it comes our shared history. I personally would never call region 5 Ethiopialand simply because I sympathize with the cause of my somali brethren in that region and I am aware how much people have sacrificed in that struggle. So OG girl your safe in my book sista , just tone down on the anti-Somaliland rhetoric.

Originally posted by OG_MOTI: Elected? who elected? I dont remember anyone asking me to choose.. tell you what.. as far as I am concern.. Somali is dead to me for awhile till Ilaahey kuwan dhameeya.. I still with my original idea.. We collect money and we will dhiira galin one young geesi man.. and ask him to isqarxi himself with all of them... My original plan was 1. Sun loogu daro cuntada 2. Isqarxis - a female worrior would be nice.. 3. Assassin.. needs training and I will encourage ... till you all agree with me in my plans .. dont mention somalia to me... peace cuntada sun laguu darayaa baa....lol needless to say your not happy with the outcome OG?

Originally posted by Nugaali: Either way, one election done, another to go: as in the U.S. Nov. 2 election. I'm rooting for the Bush/Cheney ticket. Bush/Cheney huh? First it was "Jews are the most discriminated against in history" and therefore that somehow justifies the occupation of Palestine and now your cheerleading for the neo-cons? I'm curious as to exactly what benefit you are to gain from these cowboys?

Originally posted by Baashi: Yahooooooooooooooo! He did it...ina Yusuf won the most polorized election in recent history. He handedly won with 68% of the MP's votes, a clear mandate. Somaliland, RRA, made the difference! I just found that out! Imagine that! Let me get this right, did you just say that the mercenaries for hire from my country voted for ina yusuf?

I hope the choosing of Yusuf in this conference leads to brighter and better days for all the people of Somalia. But I notice in typical somali fashion, people are getting over-zealous at this small step when nothing has yet been achieved. So the hooligan-warlords choose one member of their little legion of doom to be the next undisputed dictator of the land. That’s how I see it so far since the rest of the world has a different definition of “free electionsâ€. I think the criterion involves the ridiculous notion of allowing the population to choose its leader. Perhaps in the next couple of years there will be a real election in Somalia. Moving on to the real motivation of this reply; this talk of Somaliland receiving support from Mogadishu? I have to ask when did support from Mogadishu ever matter in Somaliland? The only time I can think of was the USC hey day when the SNM and USC had an agreement and a common enemy, ever since than each people choose to move their own way. I don’t see any relevance of Mogadishu’s support or there lack of in any Somaliland affairs. All this election talk changes absolutely nothing as far as Somaliland is concerned. Prior to this selection though, I heard a lot of saber rattling coming from the warlords in Kenya and their supporters. Than again these people talk a lot but do very little so we shall see what actions they take.

Originally posted by NGONGE: I could go on and on with this passion-driven comparison and I’m sure I’ll end up declaring Arafat the greater man, saaxib. The situations, instances and heroic positions the man took are too numerous and overwhelming that Mandela’s symbolic prison sentence will pale into insignificance when put alongside them. I really do find this comparison of yours amusing Ngonge, I wish I had more time to reply to your statements and even post some of the numerous ill-advised decisions Arafat took over the years. But I will say that Mandela never hesitated to put himself in harms way when he spoke out against the apartheid government. He took action knowing full well it could lead to his execution or life imprisonment. He sacrificed 27 years of his life for the cause of his people, and I seriously don't know how you can try to minimize that. Arafat on the other hand the political leader of the PLO, spent most of his years dictating his vision for a free Palestinian state in relative safety from Lebanon, Jordan and the beach side villas in Tunisia. His personal work consisted mostly of diplomacy and not guerilla warfare, which is apart from the isolated battles where Israel tried to corner him and he escaped, while those who were protecting him died in battle. What brave actions has he taken? The man flip-flops faster than John Forbes Kerry specially when pressured by the Israelis and the US, he orders a round up of a list of Palestinians suspected by Israel and imprisons them. Some even suggest that he hands them over to the mossad. All the while his people are being bombed by apache helicopters and all he can say is "We condemn all violence on both sides, we condemn these suicide bombings"? What time of visionary is this man? He has a branch of his Fatah known as the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade doing suicide bombings and here he is trying to condemn the very same people that are suppose to be under his control. He should have the guts to either be like Sheikh Yassin (may Allah have mercy on him) and outright support the suicide bombings and any other means of resistance or be like the last prime minister and truly reject all forms of violence and look for a diplomatic solution. Both of these polarized views take a different kind of courage but some courage never the less. Something Arafat would know very little about. What I can say about this man is that very much like Saddam Hussein, he is a survivor. P.S keep in mind, while Arafat was traveling first class to different world capitals and collecting millions of dollars to support the palestinian cause, Mandela was doing hard time and sacrificing the prime of his life in a cage serving as inspiration not only to his own people, but to millions worldwide. Including yours truly at the tender age of 7 .

Lazye girl, My point was that immigration for somalis to canada has decreased dramatically wouldn't you agree? secondly I wasn't trying to lay blame, I was just pointing out to Ngonge the differences between Canada and the U.K. which he's more familiar with.

Originally posted by NGONGE: quote: “If you were in a position to help a fellow Somali land a job, would you help?†First of all, let me try to understand and make a few assumptions about the story of the job that never was! The job involved working with “migrantsâ€. It wouldn’t be a far-fetched guess if one assumes that a huge percentage of those migrants are likely to be Somali. A little background info on canadian immigration policies saxiib. In the early 90's and late 80's Canada had very laxed immigration policies and therefore alot of somalis where settling here, but in the mid 90's the government started to reform the immigration policies and suddenly the laws seemed alot tougher which in turn slowed down the amount of somali immigrants coming to Canada. As we stand there are barely any new somali immigrants in the country and I would say the percentage is very little as compared to the other ethnicities. I think you kind of assumed the amount of somali immigration in this country would sort of be comparable to that in England but it really isn't close. I had my own little run it with the british customs this summer, I came for a simple visit and they had to single me out as soon as they noticed I was somali on my canadian passport. Than the officer gave me my stamp and said he noticed my accent and there was no reason for me to me to be suspected. He when on to explain that they were having problems with too many somalis trying to claim asylum and using other nations passports. I thought there were alot of somalis in Toronto, but London is in a league of its own . People chewing Qaad in the streets ...they think they're in hargeisa or something.

Originally posted by LayZieGirl: quote: Do you know what SUJU means to some of our Nomads, dunno, don't care... Laziegirl you must apologize before you are labeled as being racist... Sujui or not, this is a tragic event. Dadkaas Ilaheey haa uu naxaristo. Nevertheless labeling lazye girl a racist is hypocritical when you think about it. It seems the only reason we've brought up these deaths is obviously the involvement of some Somali-Sujui in the accident or just plain Sujui (which ever name is more appropriate). Our ethnic ties to these people seems to make their tragedy more relevant as compared to the 150 000 daily deaths as Lazye girl suggested. Now when you think about that last statement, you might be able to understand where she is coming and exactly if she is the racist? or is it the rest of us who are naturally selective? eventhough I must admit the girl doesn't have the best choice of words .

Originally posted by nuune: dadkiina frankstein aa wada tihiin, cilmul baaris aa loo baahanyahay :eek: lol@nuune, With all these high scores, somalis are way above avg intelligence , we should be ruling the world! must be all the caano geel we drank in infancy

Originally posted by J B: 3:How will Somalilanders react to such incident? Will it open a reentry hole for them? thats amusing

Originally posted by NGONGE: Eh? :eek: You call him a weak leader and the Israelis call him a terrorist? Who to believe, huh? :rolleyes: NGONGE, I've gotten a taste of the inter-workings of the modern PLO from many reliable sources including some Uni friends who hail directly from the region. If you saw his decision making capabilities when confronted with specific problems, you would think he's not much different to the Israeli's greed and hunger for power. The only reason he is still tolerated is the persistance of the Israeli threats towards him and the palestinian people in general. It's very unfortunate, but the arab countries are in a sad and helpless situation at the moment as they continue to live on their knees. I'm sorry to say even the americans have more guts when you think about it. They look out for the interest of the people mercilessly and they take what they deem to be necessary decisions. The arab countries need a revolution of sort, beginning with the toppling of every weakling head of state: from the smiling cow of Egypt (Hosni Mubarak), to King Fahd and the emir of Kuwait (Jabir al-Ahmad), to Bandar bush and king Abdul of Jordan etc...they all must be removed.

Politically inclined, I saw parts of the debate, and I honestly don't care much who wins this election. When it comes to american politics, anything less than a strong endorsement of Israel is a political suicide. If your hoping in the near futur that a candidate will come along and have a truly balanced approach to the region, than you'll be waiting for an eternity my friend.

Arafat, unfortunately like 99% of arab leaders, lacks true courage. His name doesn't belong in in a sentence with Nelson Mandela.

Originally posted by Fyr-Kanten: This website is created and registered toâ€Somaliland Net†“Somaliland Net†made this site for theâ€Hargeisa City Government†Hargeisa City doesn’t spend any city funds on this website nor does any city official run it. It’s solely run by “Somaliland Net†to help the Government and all foreign travellers to Hargeisa City by providing them with information such as “laws, security, transportation, hotels and restaurants etc. thanks for for the explanation saxiib, eventhough the individual "nationalist" was just making an antagonizing statement.

Originally posted by NGONGE: You never know, you might even get a hadeeth or two coming your way. lol...and that is the worst part I think about somali politics. Everybody is trying to make you swallow their self-righteous rhetoric. Sensual Healing run while you can , I think the last poor soul that wandered off into this graveyard was Modesty, and she is no where to be found.

lol@gesi, I'm somewhat sure they drive on the right side in Somaliland anyway.

Originally posted by OG_MOTI: ^^^ loool your IQ must be hitting a 1000 bro... forgive me oh wise one, I am not as familiar with IQ tests. This multiple intelligence one seems even worst, it looks more like a survey and doesn't even ask any real problems and probably is easily manipulated.

lol...ey Nuune, did you get that test in a pop up by anychance? its about 40 questions or so and they call it the classic IQ test, I wasted 15 mins of my lab once on this quiz and I got 131. I didn't know what that score ment but someone had told me the highest scores are in the 140's. I think its a ploy for ppl to buy that full report at the end they offer for about 9,99$ or so , and I must admit I did get stuck for a few minutes on one of the visual sequence questions. But I simply don't believe in measuring intellectual capacity that way. It seems a bit constrained to certain abilities.

Pure spec. He knows better, or he'll find himself out of a job and potentialy worst than that.

xarago, walaal I think you're wasting your time trying to reason with these folks. It seems the concept of reasoning was never introduced to them and so they sound like programmed machines regurgitating the same old predictable tribal arguments.

Not to minimize the efforts of whom ever came up with this I.D card idea but a few things simply don't make sense to me. Perhaps Bari nomad can fill us in. 1-If Puntland is supposedly not a nation, why is it adapting a national i.d card? 2-Modern states such as the US are just starting to propose ideas such as a national I.D to really include finger printing as a measure of counter-terrorism. Those who already have national I.D cards such as France, have yet to adapt the finger printing to their i.d cards. So how is it that Puntland seems to be at the forefront of these innovations? I have to agree with Ali Somali, delusion seems to be present in many parts of somali culture.

Liqaye, One suggestion. You might want to leave your childish comments out of the article and write them at them bottom of the page, unless your clear intention is to twist the words of the article of course. On this article though, I don’t see the mentioning of any relevant new information. Yes, the Djibouti government and its president Guelleh should be considered enemies of Somaliland by all means and yes, the gathering of warlords in Kenya will always try to undermine Somaliland by hiring some traitors with the promise of great political power. You talk of xaasidnimo and yet I see liqaye snickering at the mention of non-recognition for Somaliland in every article, did you ever stop to think how hypocritical you sound? I personally would like the peace conference in Kenya to succeed for the simple reason that it could potentially bring much needed peace and stability in Somalia. Even though the political process has its shortcomings including the appointment of mass murderers such as Morgan, the people deserve it and I would never seriously make a mockery of their hopes and aspirations. The other reason being that I don’t see it necessarily conflicting with Somaliland’s interest, we have come this far without other Somalis having any effect on the peace and stability enjoyed in Somaliland and I don’t see why things should change. Addow, one of the presidential hopefuls has said some positive comments in regards to future talks with Somaliland, but I think the single gravest mistake this upcoming government can make is to pretend to represent Somaliland. As long as it continues to do that, I cannot even picture any negotiations or at least that is my personal opinion on how matters should be handled. Now that the Kulmiye party has taken a tougher stance regarding this issue I expect Riiyaale to follow a similar path.

Originally posted by Discreet1: A solid education does not necessarily equate intelligence or future success. Many a successful man/woman do not have degrees, and were high school drop-outs. This affirms the premise that "education is not limited to the boundaries of a classroom" A diploma only guarantees the probability of getting a higher income/better job than someone who doesn’t have one.(and this is arguable) He was so learned that he could name a horse in nine languages; so ignorant that he bought a cow to ride on. Benjamin Franklin. Love that quote, and couldn’t agree more with discreet. I personally think formal education has become a superficial measure of intelligence. In a life long commitment such as marriage, I don't see why a man wouldn't want his wife to be more formally educated than himself, if anything it would make for a lot of interesting conversations. If I had a wife who was more educated than myself, I would relish it and would certainly be willing to learn from her if she's not too coquy . I seriously don't think it's matter of how much formal education a couple has, as opposed to how much they stimulate one anothers intellecte. By that I don't necessarily mean “smart†talk, it could be as simple as enjoying the same type of jokes or simply understanding what goes on in your mates mind when they speak their thoughts.

Lazye Girl, It's interesting you would use Quebec as a comparison to Somaliland as some other somaliweyn advocates have previously done, but as rational people we should should come to see the flaws in that comparison. 1-Quebec would have seceded had the referendum in 95 not been defeating by a small margin for the “no†vote, I think it was about 51 or 52%. Somaliland on the other had a referendum in which a high percentage of the people voted to secede. That referendum had some international observers and yet received some much deserved criticism for not including remote regions. Now if that same referendum were to be held today to include those regions previously left out, I can still say that with reasonable certainty the majority would vote for secession, eventhough the percentage is guaranted to be less than the previous 97%. Case point being that Somalilanders had voted “yes†in their referendum while the majority of quebecers voted “no†in both their referendums. 2-I believe the reason quebecers had voted “no†in majority is that Quebec has been part of Canada since 1867, matter a fact it was one of the four original confederate provinces. So Quebecers have become in integral part of Canadian society since the country is now 137 yrs old. I really can’t imagine as most other Canadians this country whitout the province of Quebec and believe me the whole country was on edge during the 1995 referendum, I know some politicians in Ottawa where biting their nails. Also there haven’t been any real crisis between the feds and Quebec since the 60’s during the “revolution tranquile†but that was beyond Quebec nationalism and we won’t get into it. Not to mention Quebec had never previously been a State so their demand for statehood might have been challenged in other ways had the “yes†vote prevailed. Who can imagine team Canada whitout the likes Martin St-Louis, Mario Lemieux, Vincent LeCavalier, Martin Brodeur etc….. ? Somaliland on the other hand already once was an independent country recognized by some 30 odd countries who’s voluntary union only lasted some 20 odd years, not to mention it was interrupted by a civil war. So you see anyway you look at these scenarios, you run into clear contextual distinctions. Anyway, I wasn’t aware you posted in politics forum lazye girl , too bad the 6ers weren’t sayin much last year. Hate to say I told ya D-town was takin the East