Ooch! That hurts! Poor Man is crying!

biG mom, there is difference between Islam and Islamic world. Many of the things you mentioned including divorce (I divorce you x3) and marriage (without consent) are practiced in many Islamic countries where people believe thats the right way. So you cant blame non muslims.

What a beautiful and Original Somali Names! You can add "Libin" in the list too. Shayma; Raagsan(ama Raage) waa ubadka uurka hooyo ku daahay!

HornAfrique, We(including Bantus) all are Somalis!

I am Somali! And I distaste the word somalian particularly when its used by some Somalis!

Its been long time since I logged in. I see a lot of new nicks around and vastly growing forum. I sure did miss the chat room and my buddies. Hope you all are doing fine. By the way Admin, will it be back on any time soon?

Saliid Qumbadii gasaca cagaarnaa lagu keeni jiray. Alla maxay timaha bixin jirtay iskuna dubba ridi jirtay.

A man walking along a California beach was deep in prayer. All of a sudden, he said out loud, Lord grant me one wish." Suddenly the sky clouded above his head and in a booming voice the Lord said, "Because you have TRIED to be faithful to me in all ways, I will grant you one wish." The man said, "Build a bridge to Hawaii so I can drive over anytime I want." The Lord said, "Your request is very materialistic. Think of the enormous challenges for that kind of undertaking. The supports required to reach the bottom of the Pacific! The concrete and steel it would take! I can do it, but it is hard for me to justify your desire for worldly things. Take a little more time and think of another wish, a wish you think would honor and glorify me." The man thought about it for a long time. Finally he said, "Lord, I wish that I could understand women. I want to know how they feel inside, what they are thinking when they give me the silent treatment, why they cry, what they mean when they say 'nothing', and how I can make a woman truly happy." The Lord replied, "You want two lanes or four lanes on that bridge?"

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It seems more guys have replied. whatever happened to the sisters? About the topic, Yeah It would be logical thing to do and the only chance to experience pregnancy, labor and motherhood. The bond between mother and child will be strong though the child wont be my biological baby. He/she will carry different genes. In Islam according to my knowledge, some say it is allowed with argument of the woman will carry/nurture the child all through pregnancy. Others say,it is NOT allowed with the reasoning of; 1)the egg will be fertilized by unwed man`s sperm. 2)genetically the child will not be hers....So the real lineage of family will be broken and later might lead to more social crisis. Science is blossoming day by day and religions are trying to keep up its pace. Debates keep going on and we never know what will be the Islamic rulings of egg donations 10-20 years from now. Lakkad, About your dear aunt, she should consult a doctor. women's infertility is 70-80% treatable and the problem could be from the husband.

Indhadeeq, It is nice speech. There was a long debate about his speech on CNN where some Americans thought its inappropriate for him to talk/mention about Jihad at graduation ceremony.

looool This is sooo funny.

Abdinuur, Allah permitted it but He discouraged and warned against it; Quran 4:129 Pickthall: "Ye will not be able to deal equally between (your) wives, however much ye wish (to do so). But turn not altogether away (from one), leaving her as in suspense. If ye do good and keep from evil, lo! Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful." Yusuf Ali: "Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire: But turn not away (from a woman) altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If ye come to a friendly understanding, and practise self-restraint, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." Polygamy is never fair to those involved. BTW, Question; How would you feel if your wife has another man(husband) in her life whom she is to be committed to him as much as she is to you? I am talking about feelings only not religious rulings of polyandry. MCC, What Some ppl dont realise is Allah didnt make compulsory for men to practice it. BTW, you explained far better. Jawaahir, quote: "She cant have kids" Abaayo, whatever happened to "For better or worse"? I agree three is a crowd. -------------------- "God has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body......." (Quran 33:4)

AWESOME poem. I loved it. Thanx for sharing Lulla. "Where there is love there is life." -Mahatma Gandhi

Miskiin, lol Cilmi, The name is Libin not Liban bro. Baydan, they havent estimated the cost of oil in Somalia yet . After that God knows what happens

It is sad how Somalis are suffering in Kenya. They would rather go back home...

Originally posted by JamaaL-11: [QB] A man maturity is mostly mental, not how many years old he is but how many brain cells do he have counts. As for girls the body counts, lol truth... Brother, Are you saying "men mature mentally and women physically"? Hodan, how about this one posted on Somaliweyn.com; 83 years old grandfather marrying 17 years old girl... :eek: Akhristow waxaan aad u xiseeya inaan ogaado dhibaatooyinka haysta dadka usoo haajirey dalalkan reer galbeedka ah khaas ahaan North America oo aan ku noolahay. Ogaanshahaas ama ka warhayntaasi waxay iga caawisaa laba dhinac. Ta hore oo ah inaan ka feejignaado oo iska ilaaliyo kana hortego inayna igu dhicin, haddii ay igu dhacdana sidaan xal ugu heli lahaa. Ta labaad oo ah inaan ruuxii Somaaliyeed ee dheguhu u daloolaan aan uga digo. Waayo waxaan u arkaa inay tahay waajib i saaran inaan walaalkay Somaaliyeed wixii aan ku dhaamo ka caayo. Haddaba waxaan ka war heley dhibaato culus oo haysata dhalin yaro fara badan oo ku nool carigan. Akhristow sida aan ka warqabno Ilaahay SWT wuxuu si gaar ah inagu amray oo inagu adkeeyey adkeeyey xaqdhowrka, ixtiraamka, qaddarinta, xanaanaynta iyo raaligelinta labada waalid ee ina dhashay. Taas oo awladdii ay noqotey mid ku kala fiican yihiin adduunka iyo aakhiraba. Akhristow dhibka jiraa waxaa weeye waalidkii(Odeyaashii qaar) oo la fahmi la'yahay khaladna dhex dabaalanaya caruurtoodina ku noqdey caqabad nololeed.Awlaadiina ay ka baqayso cadho waalid. Akhristow waxaan arkay wiil 36 sano jir ah oo laba shaqo ka shaqeeya haddana wax guur ah aan hadal hayn isagoo raba oo jecel inuu helo xaas xalaal ah oo uu nolosha la wadaago. Waa amuur inteeda le'eg!!! Waxaa laga yaabaa inay qaarkiin is weydiiyaan oo yidhaahdaan siduu u rabaa guur hadduusan hadal haynba!! akhristow inankaasi wuxuu ka dhashay reer sabool ah oo ku sugan Somaaliya. Waxay ka kooban yihiin 12 qof kuwaasoo ah 10 walaaladiis ah iyo aayadiis oo jirta ilaa 60 sano. Hoyadiis waa hore ayey xijaabatay. 4 ka mid ah walaaladiis waa xaasas caruur leh. Waxaa u suurtoobi weydey inuu hal qof soo dhoofsho oo ka kaalmeeya masaariifta reerka.Wiilkaas wuxuu aad isugu taxalujiyey inuu reerkooda ka saaro saboolnimada. Sidaa daraadeed ayuu u dhisey laba guri, dukaan iyo bakhaar weyn oo alaabadu kusoo degto. Akhristow waxaa cajiib noqotey inuu odeygii oo ah 83 sano uu guursaday gabadh jirta 17 sano oo la saaxiib ah gabadh uu u yahay awow. Gabadhii waxay bilowdey inay marba meel u mushaaxdo oo marba set dahab ah dalbato ama fadhi sucuudi iyo duruuc fara badan. Taas waxaa kasii daran odeygii oo gurigii ka saaray islaantiisii oo soo geliyey tii yareyd ee curdinka ahayd. Waxaa taa kasii daran isagoo hor boodaya tii yareyd oo is caruureynaya!....! CAJIIB...oo tolow siduu u geleyaa inan yar oo 17jir ah waaba 83 jir eh!!! Akhristow waxaan arkay wiilkii labada shaqo ka shaqaynayey oo iska ilmeynaya oo uurku taalo iyo ciilka haya aad yaabayso. Wiilki ma guursan karo saa waa nin laga rabo inuu raali geliyo oo kharashkeeda daboolo Dhaylo Lacag Doon AH eh. Waxaa intaa u wehelisa isagoo ehel badan ay kusoo qaylinayaan oo leeyihiin " Anaga waad na ilowdey". Akhristow waxaan soo xusuustey anigoo Somaaliya jooga ayaa gabadh aanu deris ahayn waxay isla baxsadeen wiil ka dhshay reer dan yar ah. Reerkii inantu ka dhalatay ayaa aad u xanaaqay oo ku cudur daartey inuuna guurkani waxba ka jirin maadaama aan walaayad la weydiisan waalidkii. Waxaa soo wada fadhiistey labadii reer ee kala dhalay dhalinyarada. Aniguna waxaan ka mid ahaa dhalin yaro ku dhaarsanayd inay dhageystaan waxa ay is leeyihiin labada reer. Akhristow ilaa maanta qalbigeyga yey qoran tahay wixii uu ku hadlay odeygii dhalay wiilka oo ahaa ilaa 65 sano jir. Wuxuu yidhi" Inankayga Cabdirisaaq wuu khaldamay, maanta uma ekeyn inuu guursado waayo aniga ayuu guur ii ekaa maanta oo joogaa wakhtigiisii" Waan yaabay oo fajacay oo fahmi waayey waxa uu odeygu u jeedo. Kolkaasaan ayeydey u imid oo weydiiyey ujeeddada odeyga iyo sababta isaga guur ugu eg yahay maanta bacdamaa u qabo xaas caruurna leeyahay. Waxay iigu jawaabtay ayeeydey. " Wuu qabaa naag eh wuxuu u jeedaa, inuu joogo oo gaadhay wakhtigii uu guursan lahaa naag yar oo dhaliyaro ah, maadaama ay xaaskii weyneyd gaadahy 50 sano ku dhowaad caruur badan dhashay"!!!!! Akhristow Ilaahbaan kugu dhaarshee waxa ay odeyaashu ku kacayaan ma dow baa? Gabadh yari waxba ku fali mayso odey raqayo ah oo qofacaya eh waa lacag doon ama aan idhaahdo eh waa Dhaylo Lacag Doon Ah. Waxaase meesha ku dhiban masaakiinta labada shift shaqayneysa ee guursan la' iyagoo ka baqaya habaar waalid. Ragow talo keena sidani nolol maahee....... Wabilaahi Towfiiq Muna X. Cali

Naasir, Quote; "laakiin waa og nahay caruurta badankood BABIS ayay wax ku leeyihiin..." Caruurta babbis wax kuma laha kumana maqlaan. All they need is proper care and guidance. Mataan, I agree with you...

We sure do need Somali wedding planners but they should also be trained how to tell other ppl not to interfere their business. I dislike when every eeddo, habaryar, adeer, or abti etc.. in weddings wanna do things on their own though they are guests not the hosts!

I grew with my first cousins so "NO way" I can even imagine to marry one. If it is distant cousin who I havent met b4, I might consider! Jamaal-11, lol are you Indian, pakistani, or Arab in origin? Too much inter marriage I see.

I found this article and thought it is interesting. ITS THE OIL, STUPID! Joseph Clifford Media Monitors Network Jamestown, Rhode Island, USA *The Russians got into their Vietnam right after we got out of ours? Isn't that strange? *We supported Bin Laden and the Taliban for years, and viewed them as freedom fighters against the Russians? Isn't that strange? *As late as 1998 the US was paying the salary of every single Taliban official in Afghanistan? Isn't that strange? *There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi Arabia, but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil out. Isn't that strange? *UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to build a 1000 mile long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea. Isn't that strange? *UNOCAL spent $10,000,000,000 on geological surveys for pipeline construction, and very nicely courted the Taliban for their support in allowing the construction to begin. Isn't that strange? *All of the leading Taliban officials were in Texas negotiating with UNOCAL in 1998.Isn't that strange? *1998-1999 the Taliban changed its mind and threw UNOCAL out of the country and awarded the pipeline project to a company from Argentina. Isn't that strange? *John Maresca VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress, and said no pipeline until the Taliban was gone and a more friendly government was established. Isn't that strange? *1999-2000 The Taliban became the most evil people in the world. Isn't that strange? *Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. Isn't that strange? *9/11 WTC disaster. Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though none of the hijackers came from Afghanistan. Isn't that strange? Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any proof saying it's a "secret". Isn't that strange? *Taliban offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden if we showed them some proof. We refused, and we bombed them. Isn't that strange? *Bush said: "This is not about nation building. It's about getting the terrorists". Isn't that strange? *We have a new government in Afghanistan. Isn't that strange? *The leader of that government formerly worked for UNOCAL. Isn't that strange? *Bush appoints a special envoy to represent the US to deal with that new government, who formerly was the "chief consultant to UNOCAL". Isn't that strange? *The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil? Isn't that strange? *Bush's Secretary of Interior was the President of an oil company before going to Washington. Isn't that strange? *George Bush Sr. now works with the "Carlysle Group" specializing in huge oil investments around the world. Isn't that strange? *Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before gong to Washington. Isn't that strange? *Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" After Condoleezza. Isn't that strange? *Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate Haliburton before becoming VP. Isn't that strange? *Haliburton gave Cheney $34,000,000,000 as a farewell gift when he left Haliburton. Isn't that strange? *Haliburton is in the pipeline construction business. Isn't that strange? *There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the Caspian Sea area. Isn't that strange? *The US government quietly announces Jan 31, 2002 we will support the construction of the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline. Isn't that strange? *President Musharraf (Pakistan), and Karrzai, (Afghanistan-Unocal) announce agreement to build proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to Pakistan via Afghanistan (Irish Times 02/10/02). Isn't that strange? It's the Oil, Stupid!"

I am against child beating by parents. Beating wouldnt discipline but teach children violence and hatred. We also have a lot negativities (eg; 1.If you dont pray you will go to Hell instead of saying if you do pray you will be in Heaven. 2.If you dont study you will get beaten etc...) Parental involvement in children`s activity at schools and homes are minimal in our society. Rules should be set for children and followed. Children should be talked( they do listen) and discussed issues with.. they should be held accountable for their right and wrong doings both. Ameenah, I always wondered why are Somali kids so wild? they cant sit anywhere and destroy all the things in the houses..... I even saw some spitting on guests. Behavioral psychology does work well. We need to study more on our children`s behaviours. Naasir, Many of us were beaten up during childhood but those beating didnt make everyone strong as you put it and it sure didnt teach us right from wrong. They are as many Somalis who were beaten and do those stuff you mentioned(smoke/chat/drink/hating school/disrespecting others/leaving his religion..etc) Almost most Somali kids got beaten in Quran schools and what exaclty did that teach you? dropping Dugsi or disliking the religion! If BEATING would discipline and make a child a better person who is educated, religious, respecting others, doing no drugs/alcohol,..... it would have worked for African Americans!! Cadeey, Dhaawac is not only physical evidence, Dhaawac is done mentally on those kids beaten. Lets not go in to reer galbeed and brain washing nonsense! Compare Somali child with reer Galbeed kid`s behaviour.

I am for Companionate Love.. It suits me more. After all I define Love : Honesty, Knowledge, Trust, Care, Respect, and Faithfulness.

Good start for Africa. Binjabarti, You forget to change your nick before replied...

Dr.Romantic, You are talking about "Somalian woman", I dont know any people called that name! :rolleyes: Brothers and sisters We are Somalis, God knows who this guy is referring to. Every woman is someone else`s mother, wife, daughter or sister. If you want people to respect women related to you, respect others. Plz take MCC`s advice, look in to yourself! PS: Why dont you learn how to spell first.