I don't know what the legal implications are to this whole thread and what it contains. I would advice the administrators of this website to close this deflammatory thread because it is actully an on-going case that is contested at a court of law right now. Without having any prove or evidence, some paranoid people who think that they have the moral upperhand want to play the judge and convict a man they don't know off. They even don't know who this girl is that they're so kindly defending. Actually I hope that Sangub will press charges and sue those people who are assassinating his character without merit. No one is beyond criticism but with what you criticise the person must be true and facts and not "Oh, let's help that poor girl because she is a girl". That's sexism, which is actually a paradox because some people defended this girl because they might share "gender", how ridicules! It's between the defendant and prosecutor (accusser) to settle their differences in a court of law. We will await the trail and it's outcome inshallah!

Now if Sayid made his argument like the way you did, people would have understood him. But he called an intire nation a kaafirs. That is wrong sxb and is against our deen. Allah makes people kaafir not us. And plus Iran has sunnis too. Nice tactical swith tuujiye! You saw it coming, but that doesn't justify your earlier stance. It's easy going with the crowd and flow but now you've decided to come out of your closet good for you. What Sharmaarke is saying and me are essentialy the same. He is saying from what I've read that rafidi's and shias are not muslim. You see all I did condemn were shias and rafidis. You mentioned that Iran has a sunni minority, yes I agree with you, but the UK has also a muslim minority as well and that doesn't make it a muslim country. Iran today is politically, socially and culturally controlled by the rafidi's, the mad-mullahs and so-called ayatulla's. That's why I am saying that Iran is not a muslim country! Yes there might be a sunni minority but we all know that they have no power or say actually they're abused! The people who are today in charge in Iran together with the vast majority are indeed disbeliefers, who do not have anything in common with us. I am talking about the shia sect that is today the vast accepted religion in Iran. But you've only disappointed yourself because in your earlier post you did not condemn the shias and no you have come out of your closet and actually condemned those shiites. Good for you! But I'd have liked you being brave first instead of "running with the crowd"! ------------ Xiin, you got it wrong! You had a look at what the ulama of this religion said about international rafidi (they called them heretics and kaafirs) but you've chosen to ignore it, although I acknowledge that you've read it. So what is your point that you're more knowledgable than Imaam Shaafici rahimahullah, Imaam Hanafi and Maalik rahimaullahi ajmaciin! Get it in your brains shias are not muslims and Iran is not a muslim country or republic because they're considered to be the "little brothers" of the Jews and heretics!

^^I second that! It seems that some people are too eager to condemn Sangub into guilt. This is an on-going battle between people who are hell-bent to accuse someone of a crime, that is actually contested and disputed in the court at this moment. The court hearing has been prosponed til the end of February and from what I've been told, the judge is considering to throw this case out of the court because of lack of evidence. There is no physical nor DNA evidence and I've told also by people close to the court-hearing that the girl who brought this case for the prosecution is actually someone with a questionable personality and character. Actually she wasn't at the age she claimed to be, when the incident happened. People say she was actually over 18 years of age at that time but as sick society we are, we actually disguise our people's age when they come to the west. Some person that is 24 will be registered as a child who is just about going to start his puberty. How sick. Hopefully doctors will be able to varify her real age and shame her for the rest of her life!

The often repeated hallowed call for "Muslim Unity" simply serves as a smokescreen, behind which SHIA missionaries penetrate Muslim societies. Any attempt to resist this imposition is branded as "divisive". Would it be divisive to protect Islam from a sect that inherently debases the Quran, the Ambiya and the Sahabah? Unity can only be forged on the basis of Aqeedah (belief). To label these differences as ‘hair splitting issues’ is to undermine the sanctity of the Quran, the Ambiya and the Sahabah unity at the cost of the Quran is tantamount to blasphemy. I agree 100% with your analysis. The call for unity is a "smoke-screen" as you have put it, used by shias and rafidis to "penetrate" mainstream muslims, in order that they can make havoc and betrayal when we need them most, because they will not stay with us. They only want us temporary, that's why they hide behind unity and being muslims, which they're not!

You can insult me and say what you like! I see that this "argument" is not about let's defend the "rawafid" but it has got other implications to it. I've nothing to answer and I am not dividing anyone up because to divide you have to be first "united! Shias have a long time left the fold of Islam and if you would read between the lines, you'd realise who/what they're and stand for!

Sincere, why don't be sincere and true to yourself to acknowledge that international rafidah and Iran are kaafirs! You say that "theological" and "practical" differences (whatever it means) do not give me the right to label them with disbelief and kufr. Can I ask you then, what this theological differences are. May I ellaborate. Shias believe in something called "Al-Aqeedatu Badaa", which basically means that something has surfaced that "Allaah" did not know about, that's why he has to change the destiny of qadr because he has suddenly in the last minute realised something he did not knew about! This is blantant kufr. They say that "something surfaced" that Allaah did not knew about. Do you agree with that aqeedah! We should distance ourselves from such a false doctrine. Allaah knows everything and nothing is hidden from him! They also belief that all the sahabs and muslims rejected Islam after the death of the prophet except for Salmaan Al -faarsi, Miqdaad and Abu Dharr. Do you believe that! Everyone who hates the sahabah or says something unappriopriate has truely disbeliefed. ------- Dragon the real cancer is muslims not realising who their enemies are. Shias know that we are their enemies! please educate yourself about their doctrine before "hugging and embracing" everyone that disguises himself as a muslim! ---------------- Socod_Badne, I will not debate with you because from what I've seen so far from you, you really don't deserve to be debated with. I saw a post that you made a couple of years ago, where you were saying that "muslims" don't need to unite because we don't need unity, so please stop playing "shias" are muslim + unity card! May Allaah guide you to the right path but it is quite apparent for all of us to see that you hold grouch against muslims and islam. i am not saying that you're a hypocrite but how you come across paints a bleak picture! Your beliefs are yours and mine are mine, let leave it that way! I will never ever indugle into a religious debate with you. I hope you get that. ----------- Red Sea, I am not "judging" anyone but I've strong belief that countries like Iran are not muslims because the majority of them belong to the rafidah/shia religion, which is totally alien to Islaam. You see atleast the kaafirs show their hatred for as the Rawafid stab the muslims in the back. It is people like you who are disillusioned and think that we should unite with everything and everyone that say's "I am a muslim". --------------- Khayr, Walaal I will respond to your post, the time aad iska daysid seeflaboodnimada. You suffer from something I've noticed, which is that you "feel" somehow threatened by the sight of others discussing aspects of the religion. Somehow you feel that someone has transgressed in a territory "you" were suppossed to "control". I can see from you shakingness that you're someone, who belongs to the a new phenomena of persons who think that they've "finished" and studied everything in this religion. Would you please control yourself, it would do you good! ------------ Viking, no one made me the judge but people can judge people from their actions because Allaah the glorified has given us "common-sense" to distinguish what is "right" and "wrong". You ask why rafidi'shiatees are allowed to perform the hajj. The question is simple, although the majority of the ulama said that they're not "muslim" however they continue coming to the hajj. Remember when Sheikh Ali Abdurahman Al-Xudayfi, who is the khateeb and Imaam of the prophets mosque in Madinah said in one of his friday speeches that "Rawafid + Shias" are kaafirs and disbelievers whilst the iranian ambassador was in the congregation. The Sheikh who is regarded as a Caalim was arrested because the iranian ambassador complained to the Saudi authorities. It was this guys who stole the xajratul-aswad and did not return it for a couple of years! Are they muslims? We would be better off without them coming to the Hajj because all they do is "steal" from other muslims during the hajj because they think that it is a good thing to do! ----------- Checkmate, please do me a favour and be silent. There is no excuse for you labelling me a "disbeliever" and because of your stubborness you refuse to appologise and repent to Allaah. Shias are disbelievers because of their actions and aqaaid. Their books have been exposed and there is no hiding from the truth. Muslims are blinded by "unity" etc. Unity is the best thing and muslims should unite but not with kufr and disbelief!

I do not have any authority whatsoever labelling someone a kaafir. I get my beliefs from the Quran, the Sunnah of the prophet peace be upon him, the sahaba and the righteous tabiciin. The vast majority of the scholors of this great religion have made the decision to condemn the followers of the rafidah and shias as unbelievers. They have the knowledge, wisdom and understanding that we do not have. Whoever comes up with innovations, shirk and falsehood has truely disbeliefed. Before going further let's remind us what the great scholors of Islam said about the rafidah/shia sect: What Do Scholars of the Past and Present say about Shia (Rafidah)? 1) Imam Ash-Shafi'i: On one occasion Imam Shafi'ee said concerning the Shia, "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidi* Shia." and on another occasion he said; "Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except for the Raafidi* Shia, because they invent ahaadeeth and adopt them as part of their religion." (Minhaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah) *(Some shia at the time of the Alid Imam Zayd ibn 'Ali demanded that he make a declaration of innocence (tabarra) from whoever disagreed with 'Ali's right to be Imaam. When Zayd refused, they rejected him, and became known as the "Raafida" or rejectors. Those who followed Imaam Zayd became known as Zaydis, and have very little difference from mainstream Islam. The Raafidi evolved into the the various Imaami shia sects, the largest of which is the Ithna 'Ashari.) 2) Imam Abu Haneefah: It is reported that often Imam Abu Hanifah used to repeat the following statement about the Raafidi Shia; "Whoever doubts whether they are disbelievers has himself committed disbelief." 3) Imam Malik: Once when asked about the Raafidi Shia, Imam Malik said; "Do not speak to them or narrate from them, for surely they are liars." During one of Imam Malik's classes, it was mentioned that the raafidi Shia curse the sahaba. Imam Malik recited the verse, "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them." (48:29) He then said, "Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahâbah are mentioned is the one about whom the verse speaks." (Tafseer al-Qurtubi) 4) Imam Ibn al- MUBAARAK: was reported to have said "Religion is gained from Ahl al-Hadeeth, scholastic theology, and crafty exemptions from religious ordinances from Ahl-ar-ray and lies from the Raafidite Shi'ites. 5) Abu Zur'ah ar-Razi: He said of the raafidi Shia doctrine of cursing the Sahâbah, "If you see someone degrade any of the companions of the Prophet SAWS know that he is a disbeliever. Because the Prophet SAWS was real, what he brought was the truth and all of it was conveyed to us by way of the Sahâbah. What those disbelievers wish to do is cast doubt on the reliability of our narrators in order to invalidate the Qur'an and Sunnah. Thus the disbelievers are the ones most deserving of defamation." 6) Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi: During the period of Muslim rule in Spain, Imam Abu Muhammad ibn Hazm would often debate with the Catholic priests about their religious texts. He brought before them evidence of textual distortions in the Bible and the loss of the original manuscripts. When they replied by pointing out the Shia claims that the Qur'an has been distorted and altered, Ibn Hazm informed them that Shia claims were not valid evidence because the Shia were not themselves Muslims. 7) Imam Al-Alusi: He declared the raafidi Shia disbelievers because of their defamation of the Sahaba. His position was based on the rulings of Imam Malik and other scholars. In response to their claim to be followers of the Ahl al-Bayt (the Prophet's SAWS family) Al-Alusi said, "No, they are really followers of the devils and the Ahl al-Bayt are innocent of them." 8) Muhammad Rasheed Rida: This scholar was among those who worked sincerely for rapproachment between the shia and the sunni, and they in turn pretended moderation for his benefit. However, in the midst of his efforts, they caught him by surprise by presenting him with a number of their books which slander Islam. He then replied in a paper called As-Sunnah wa Ash-Shia in which he exposed their false doctrines and idolatrous practices. 9) Dr. Hilali: After living close to the shia for some years, the famous Moroccan scholar, Dr. Hilali wrote a paper on them in which he declared them to be disbelievers. 10) Abul-A'la Maududi: wrote an introduction to the book, "Ar-Riddah bain al-Ams wa al-Yaum" In it was written, regarding the Imami Ja'fari Shia, "despite their moderate views (relative to other shi'ia sects), they are swimming in disbelief like white bloodcells in blood or like fish in water." 11) Among the other contemporary scholars who have expressed similar views are: Sheikh Abdul 'Aziz ibn Baz, Sheikh Nassiruddin Al-Albaanee, Allama Ash-Shanqiti, Sheikh An-Nashashibi, Imam Ahmad Ameen, and Dr. Rashaad Salim. One other Imami Shia doctrine that must be related is the doctrine of Taqiyyah, or dissimulation, (i.e. calculated deception). In support of this doctrine of deception, the shia attribute the following to Abu Abdullah (Ja'far as-Sadiq): "Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah(dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.110) "He who conceals his religion has saved it, and he who makes it public has destroyed it." "A believer who does not dissimulate is like a body without a head." (Tafseer al-Askari) "Mix with them (i.e.non-shia) externally but oppose them internally." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.116) Concerning the verse, "Verily the most noble of you in Allah's sight is the most God-fearing(atqaakum)" , the shia attribute the following interpretation of "atqaakum": "That is, your deeds done by taqiyyah(dissimulation) (Al-I'tiqadat) It is interesting to contrast this doctrine of calculated deception with Allah's statement in the Holy Qur'an: "Surely those who hide from people the clear proofs and guidance, which we clarified in the Book (Qur'an), will be cursed by Allah and all those who curse." (2:159) And the statement of the Prophet (SAWS) who said: "Whoever is asked for knowledge and conceals it will have a bridle of fire around his neck on the Day of Judgement." (Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi) I should stress that not all who are called shi'ia hold to these deviant and idolatrous beliefs. As mentioned earlier, the Zaydi Shia hold no real differences of Aqeedah, but only the political position that the Caliph should be from the descendants of 'Ali. The scholors even forbidded praying salat behind a shia because that would violate your salat. Can you pray behind a "cow" worshipping Hindu? I guess the answer is obvious. Shia's have got a different kalimah than the rest of the muslims. We say that there is no other deity to worship except Allaah the glorified and that Muhammed peace be upon him is his messengr. What do the shias say: They mix kufr and shirk with the kalimah by adding that Ali (may Allaah the glorified be pleased with him) is the Wali of Allaah and that the late Khomeni is the Ruux of Allaah. Is that not sufficient proof of their kufr and misguidedness! This is an endless debate because partly of the "false" belief that all "muslims" should unite whereas it is clear that we could not unite with shirk!

Oh, what a great and beautiful city of ours we have destroyed. Moqadishu the capital of Somalia has been reduced to destruction, misery and warfare! Never ever should we ever allow this again to happen, inshallaah we will rebuild the city next time (I hope without the cathedral in the picture). The taxis really look great and impressive. Long live Moqadisho!

The shaytan loves to spread hatred among the believers because hatred and secterianism is contrary to TAWHID/UNITY. Among the believers, so you think that shias/rafidah are believers, don't talk nonsense! It is very well documented what and who shias are and certainly we don't need to unite with them because we have nothing in common. I hope you got the idea.

it may be obvious but I'm just gonna ask anyways. Do you belong to Takfiir group? What or who is takfiir group? I don't belong to any group I am just a muslim who beliefs in the divine doctrine and laws of Allaah the exalted. I am only saying what is obvious and for all to see. According to the vast ulamaa'uddin past and present shia's and rafidah are out of the fold of islaam in other words they're not muslim! According to Shaykhul Islaam ibnu Taymiyyah any group the rejects aspects of this religion or who bring innovations into this religion, whether they be small or big have truelly disbeliefed! “Any group of people that rebels against a single precept of the clear and reliably transmitted prescripts of Islam has to be fought, according to the leading scholars of Islam, even if the members of the group pronounce the Islamic confession of faith. If such people make a public formal confession of their faith, but, at the same time, refuse to carry out the five daily prayers, then it is obligatory to fight them. If they refuse to pay the religious zakaat-tax, it is obligatory to fight them until they do so. Similarly, if they refuse to keep the fast of the month of Ramadan or to perform the Pilgrimage to Mecca, and similarly if they refuse to forbid abominations or adultery or gambling or wine or anything else that is forbidden by the laws of Islam. Similarly [they have to be fought and killed] if they refuse to apply the judgment of the Book and the Example of the Prophet to matters of life and property, or merchandise and commodities of any kind. Similarly [they have to be fought and killed] if they refuse to compel what is good and to prohibit what is bad, or refuse to fight the infidels until they surrender to the Muslims and humbly pay the poll tax. Similarly if they introduce innovations that are contrary to the Book and the Example of the Apostle and that are not consistent with the example of the pious forefathers, like introducing deviant opinions concerning the names of God or verses from the Koran.†Now it's up for everyone to make up their minds! Where are the knowlegdeable people who know something about rafidah and shiaism and their evil intentions towards muslims. I was not me who said that shias are not muslim but I take my advice from the very well respected ulaama of the past and present and what they said about this kufr of shiaism and disbelief. We should wake up and realise who this people are that we're so proud of calling our brethren and "fellow muslims".

Iran is taking the right action to safeguard the sanctity of Islam. Let’s hope other Muslim countries especially those with oil & gas, follow suit and consider similar measurements against those deem our religion inferior. You must be kidding! Did I hear you right, "Iran and safeguarding the sanctity of Islam". Don't be ridicules! How can an alien doctrine and belief that has long time left the fold of Islam safeguard the "sanctity of Islam". It's like saying Hindus and Sikhs did the right step to safeguard Islam. Yes we live in difficult times but that doesn't mean that we should embrace international rafidah as our brethren. They're kaafirs and disbeliefers who believe in alien doctrine and dogma of that of Islam. People have to weak up and see the reality. Before you say that shia's are muslims educate yourself what they're, their history and what they belief in. The ulama of this religion have spoken and said that Iran is not a muslim country and that shia's are indeed disbelievers, so where did you get the idea from that they are our brethren and fellow muslims. Why are people ingorant about the dozen fatwa's the ulamaa'uddin give about Iran and international shiaism and rafidah!

Thanks for the numerous replies and advice you gave me! Let me deal with it post by post. Firstly Xiin, they might be "your" brothers but they're not certainly my brethren. Anyone who belongs to rawafid (rafidah) sect or Shia'ism is not my brother in fact they're my enemies! Viking, well spoted but I've to reaffirm that it is not the same calling an individual a non-muslim and condemning international rafidah and shiasim. The analogy made is totally uncomparable! I called Iranians unbelievers because they're shia and they do not belong to the fold of Islam. i've seen you debating on this issue and I believe that you got certain affiliations with them but let me tell you shiasm is totally alien to us Somalis and we will never except such disbelief to be promoted or established in our country. Shia's are non-muslims and Iran is not an islamic-republic! Jimca please don't try to provocate me because I certainly will not fall into your trap and I am not an "attention-seeker" as you would have others believe! Tuujiye, I hope you educate yourself first before indulging into such discussions. All I said was that Iran is not a muslim country because they represent an elien belief and doctrine called shiasm or rafidah! Ahura, Walaaley thanks for the Hadith but before selecting some random hadith you don't know it's meaning and also without haven't read my post, your accussation is totally baseless against me. I didn't call any muslim brother "kaafir" or "unbeliever", all I did was condemn the international rafidah, which has got it's base in Iran. Iran is not a muslim country and whoever is/belongs to the international rafidah that Iran so kindly promotes across the globe is a "kaafir" and an "unbeliever". The person who called me as an individual a non-believer and infidel was checkmate, he has indeed committed a great sin and he needs to repent to Allaah because I am not a disbeliefer! But Iran and the international promoters of Rafidah and Shia'sm are indeed unbelievers. I can see from your hysterical responses that you're not very well versed in the aqeedah of Allaah and it's law. May Allaah the glorified guide you to the right path! Ameen.

Originally posted by Seeker: Is that where the tradition of executioners wearing masks came from? Since I believe no one wanted to actually chop his head off I think so. But I guess that the reason why they were masked was because they did not want to be identified to be a regicide (someone who has killed a monarch)because they could put their lives in danger.

On what is your supposed standards based on, if I can ask? Walaal you have committed a grave sin and for that you need to really repent to Allaah. It proves my point that you're a Miskiin and "ignorant" person, who does not know much about Islam because if you had real knowledge, you would not go around and labelling people of hypocracy and not being a "muslim". Astaqfiruallaah! We ask repentance from Allaah!

Don't worry it's only life! What can they do to you from except firing you? If they do so, there are numerous other employers.

Iranians can say what they want, as they are not muslims! They mock Allaah glorified he be, the prophet and the saxaab on a daily basis, so I can't see what they're offened by those promoters of international rafidah (rawafid, plural) and kufr.

What a pity that the news editors and journalists of Jyllands-Posten are not japanese. They would committ mass suicide right now in their offices and desks in front of their family and children images/pictures on their desks.

It was quite apparent that the initial intent of the publications of the cartoons depicting the prophet peace be upon him as a terrorist, were designed to delibartely provocate muslims. We would be upset if they did this to the prophet of Islam Jesus Al-Masiix (Isa ibn Maryam) but it is for all to see the double standards, hatred and racism directed by a bunch of islamaphobics who only had trouble in their mind but hopefully they are going to pay some day, if not in this world then surely in the hereafter. Be sarcastic, insulting and abusive for as the big torment of the fire is awaiting you. Will you be able to stand the heat of the fire? That's their destiny if they do not repent to Allaah and convert to Islam.

What year was Charles Steward King of England executed? Couldn't think of another question but from watching the news I came up with this silly question. P.s Do not google!

Peace be upon him died 633 C.E. or 10 Hijri! He was 63 years of age.

Emergency Security Meeting by the Puntland Security Committe condemned the attack and rioting against western outlets and the PSS. Also the Vice President said that the people had a riot to express their anger but he has warned against violence directed at westerners who might not have to do with this whole story and who also might not be even danes. VP urging protesters to calm down!

Some of the stone throwing and rioting:

Sawir Qaade: Max'ed Deeq Cabdalla SBC TV Section

Some other pictures of the protest:

Ngonge, yes the protests that took place today in Bosaso City were linked and related to the on-going protestas in the muslim world against the depicting of the prophet of Islam. It started off with a peaceful demonstration called by the religious leaders of the city and the mayor to protest against the insults against the prophet and to express their anger and sorrow. The people calmly listened to speeches by the religious leaders and governmental authorities in the stadium of Bosaso, were they congregated in their masses. After the speeches ended they were told to leave but immidiately after the protesters left they started attacking and throwing stones against public and private institutions/organizations in the city. The biggest anger was directed against the PSS (Puntland Secret Intelligence services) and OTP who have a direct link with the american Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and other western agencises such as Unicef and Danish NGO's. The local authorities in Bendar Qaasim district, which Bosaso is the capital off had already taken precautions to protect and safeguard foreigners and governmental security agencies! Soon after the protests got out of hand the Puntland Security Committee, which is made up by cabinet ministers, police commissioners, local government and head of the armend forces of the Darawish held a emergency meeting in which they condemned the violence and co-ordinated the police and armed forces to calm down the protesters. The city went back to normality after 12:00 noon after the protesters were despersed by the riot police and numerous arrests were made. One boy aged 14 was killed called Khadar Max’uud Cismaan who was killed in the "laanta Hawada" district in Bosaso, near the headquarters of SBC TV/Radio. People's name that were injured were to be said five who sustained some injuries also a lot of police officers sustained light injuries. Named injured according to Bosaso Hospital are: 1: Cali Max’ed Cali 2: Warsan Max’uud Cadde 3: Cali Cabdi Axmed 4: Cismaan Yuusuf Aw-Ciise 5: Cali Axmed Cali