Maaddeey;814166 wrote: ^^ Yes, the same one you thought he deserted Shabaab and is on the verge to join TFG! I actually believe him to be a spy for the Americans, who talks a good game. Remember in 2006 when at the start of the 4 day war, him and IndaCade along with their families conveniently went to the Hajj. What a comedian..

Recovering-Romantics;814173 wrote: That's not the new one but a draft made in 2010. I guess only Ahmed Diirieye and his group have seen the current one?

Recovering-Romantics;814169 wrote: Ahmed Dirie is a clan elder & his views hold weight, maybe not to you, but to the people he represents. Ahmed Diiriey is a clan old man, he is not a constitutional expert and thus his views dont carry weight when it comes to this delicate issue.

Recovering-Romantics;814165 wrote: Part of the tax money collected in Mogadishu finds its way to Puntland & deals signed between the TFG & Puntland such as the ones signed Galgacayo in 2010 clearly stipulate financial contribution to Puntland. In return, Puntland contributes nothing except creating one artificial political crisis after another. Puntland has the right to receive international aid & scholarships. But why is the current Prime Minister only interested in Puntland & not other regions such as Galmudug, Hiiraan State, & other regions? As I said, It's a clan agenda; and Farole & Co. are attempting to legalize this theft and present it as a constitution. Its quite laughable, really. This is quite interesting. So the Galkacyu agreement stated that revenue from Mogadishu port & airport should be given to Puntland? This is news to me adeer, I need clarification from you. As for PM Abdiweli I dont think you can blame him for the results of the Istanbul conference and the success of Faroole in getting attention for the State. Next you might blame him for the Oil exploration in Dharoor. Galmudug, Hiiraan and other regions need to build a credible State the likes of Puntland or Somaliland, one can not take thse half regions seriously, when they have built their States then it will be easier for them to get support and revenue from their sea/air ports.

Mukhtaar Roobow Abuu Mansuur, Same gentleman who ran away from Baidoa is he not?

Recovering-Romantics;814150 wrote: You do not have to be a constitutional expert to know that this so-called constitution is a big joke. Again you have brought no valid argument what so ever aside from old confused Ahmed Diiriye is seeing a certain clan in his nightmares.

Recovering-Romantics;814145 wrote: That's not true. Puntland gets a percentage of the international aid given to the Somali government ( in fact, more than anyone else), it's students are being sent to Turkey & other countries for scholarship & infrastructure *developments that is given to the Somali Government also are shared with Puntland. Yet Puntland adds nothing of value to the government in Mogadishu except manufacturing one artificial political crisis after another. Just today, the salaries of TFG Troops in the Jubba & Gedo Region were paid...with tax money levied on the people of Mogadishu. Under the upcoming so-called Constitution, this robbery will be legalized & the people of Mogadishu will gain almost nothing in return. It's an unprecedented immoral act & it should be fought.* Hold your horses adeer. What has the International Communities scholarships and assistance got to do with Mogadishu's port & aiport revenue? You seem to be jumping from one issue to the next at will. Puntland does not receive a single penny from tax revenue outside of the State. Thus now are you saying they should not get any scholarships from the Turks, or any forms of international community assistance? Can you kindly clarify this for me? Thanks

Recovering-Romantics;814133 wrote: Even though this so-called new constitution has not been presented publicly, those us of that actually spoke with members of the drafting committee know what is going to be in it, and it's not going to go down well with the Somali people. Ahmed Dirie knows what's coming & hence his outrage that's share by the people of Mogadishu. This thing will get ugly & the sooner it's killed, the better. Again, the laughable notion Ahmed Diiriye is a constitutional expert.

Recovering-Romantics;814133 wrote: Currently, the tax collected from the people of Mogadishu, Mogadishu Port & Adan Abdulle Airport in Mogadishu is what sustains this government. Puntland contributes exactly ZERO Dollars to the current central Government.Farole wants to legalize this theft and present it as Somalia's new constitution. I agree, you also know the flip side of this is that the current government in Mogadishu does not pay anything towards the running of Puntland admin, does not provide public service to the people of Puntland. Yet it claims to be the national government and Puntland recognize it. Thus why are you upset? If Mogadishu does not pay anything to Puntland yet Puntland State recognize Mogadishu as the capital and this benefits Mogadishu in terms of international attention, embassies, schools being built, airport reconstruction as is the Turkish case. Why are you upset?

Recovering-Romantics;814123 wrote: Yea, granting citizenship to non-Somalis is such a bright idea for a nation of 10 million. But then I forgot, you are the internationalist Jihadi that sees Abu Mansur Al-Amriki as a fellow Somali. Abu Mansuur Al Amriki is a criminal and thus his actions bars him from becoming a Citizen. However this article itself will benefit Somali's born in the Diaspora who's parents were also born in the Diaspora as is becoming the norm now with our generation...

Recovering-Romantics;814116 wrote: It's not a matter of what's wrong with this so-called constitution but rather what's not wrong with it. Specifically, this idea that Farole & Puntland will unilaterally rule their regions enriching themselves of their ports & airports while asking the people of Mogadishu to share their revenues with Puntland is a lousy selfish attempt that will never see the light of day. Mogadishu will be ruled by its people & its revenue will be spent in Banadir & not Puntland. It seems folks that are asking us to read this pathetic collection of clan ambitions have themselves not fully read it. Under this so-called constitution all one has to do to be classified as Somali is to live in Somalia for 5 years or be born in Somalia. It's a joke & an insult to the Somali people.* Again you are all over the place, where in the constitution does it mention Puntland & Faroole not sharing anything with the people of Banadir? Also is it not hypocritical for us Somali's to deny people Citizenship rights when we have over the last 21 years become Citizens of the world? Again you need to do more explaining and less shouting...

Maaddeey;814111 wrote: He was lesser evil because we all know when he was removed from Shabeelada Hoose, he accepted it, and didn't do what Yey did in the Carta era!, or worse when Jama Ali Jama was rightfully elected! Maadey again covering himself up in smoke. Who elected IndaCade, Seeraar, Sharub, Goobanle and Xasan Dahir to pillage, loot abuse the peaceful people of Lower Shabelle and the fertile south? Yusuf was the leader of the region he was born from, defended and built lasting institutions. Yes he made mistakes but as you saw the people of Puntland respected him and showed a great deal of respect for his achievements. Now "ShiekhS" IndaCade, Xasan Dahir, Goobanle, Seeraar, Abdiqasin, Galaal, Cirfo and Sharuub. Ran all the way from Guriceel to Barava, Marka, Qoryoole, Baidoa, Kismayu and occupied it by force using young militias from their clan. How many local people of those regions love them, adore them, respect them and remember their occupation and clan hegemony fondly? They did not make mistakes, they committed wholesale crimes of the highest order. Then all of them including their militias became part of the Islamic Courts Union :D

Che -Guevara;814101 wrote: Horta, did anyone read the Constitution? What paragraphs are people objecting to? Exactly, if someone can kindly show me how it disadvantages any Somali group it would be most welcome.

Maaddeey;814098 wrote: Duke, I'm not angry, and Indha cadde was always a warlord to me, but a lesser evil than yours!. I know he is a lesser evil in your eyes since he is your uncle. However IndaCade was an important, integral leader of the ICU leadership. He was the man who triggered the whole war and led the clan armies. Thus he was rewarded by the "Islamist s" for his occupation and pillage of Marka. But it was all about clan then as is your arguments about Yusuf are now...

Recovering-Romantics;814093 wrote: Who appointed you to approve or disqualify Ahmed Dirie's clan leadership role? & when were clan leaders elected? This so-called new constitution is an unacceptable infringement upon the rights & representation of the people of Mogadishu & Ahmed Dirie & others have the moral & social legitimacy to speak up against this pathetic clan agenda that masquerades as "constitution" * Again, can someone explain how this constitution favors a specific clan over another? Can you kindly highlight the section, paragraph or line that does this? Who fooled this old, uneducated man into thinking he was a constitutional expert?

Maadey is still mad. Your religiosity is as absurd as "Shiekh Yusuf IndaCade's at the glory clan times of the ICU. When he occupied and raped the Lower SHabelle on behalf of the clan and he was also called a Shiekh... :D

Peacedoon;814075 wrote: Or maybe he is against the unfairness of this new dastuur. You can be against something yet support peace. Maybe the new dastuur is in the interest of Garoowe society, and not the people of Mogadishu. Maybe? If you or Ahmed Diiriey have facts kindly reveal it or quit the asinine claims.

Recovering-Romantics;814071 wrote: This new constitution is meant to distort the clan balance in Somalia & advance a particular clan agenda. The people of Mogadishu & others must reject it & stand up for justice & equal representation as they have always done. Farole & his agent PM Humpty Dumpty can not be allowed to hijack the future of the Somali People.* The statements by the clan elders & public intellectuals in Banadir/Mogadishu Region could not have come at a better time. Ahmed Diiriye does not speak for the people of Banadir, Bay, Bakool, Lower Shabeele, Upper Shabbelle, Juba's and Gedo. This man speaks for his own interest and that of those who pay him... Even the clan he claims to speak for did not elect or appoint him and he should stop using their name.

Peacedoon;814065 wrote: lol i though you was talking about alshabaab. Diriye is not anti-peace, he supports peace. Him rejecting dastuurka has nothing to do with being anti-peace. He is anti peace, the truth is this time he can no longer play the two faced game he used to play. Somalia as a whole has moved on...

http://shabelle.net/2012/04/04/odayaasha-******-oo-kasoo-horjeestay-dastuurka-cusub-ee-soomaaliya/

Great article first time ever...

Thanks for the update.

A step in the right direction.

http://www.mogadishutimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=118:madaxweynihii-hore-ee-soomaaliya-oo-tacsi-loogu-sameeyay-minnesota&catid=1:qorshe-cusub

Xaaji Xunjuf;813441 wrote: They don't look like civilians to me XX is afraid. Poor lad...