Xudeedi: lol. You think everyone is double dealing, but the irony is no one forced the editor to make such fundamental mistakes. Ilka-Jiir did not serve even two years, and there is no Western Bari region anywhere that he could have created an admin for. Thus if the research is so flawed then what of the whole premise of the article?

^^^lol. Rubish adeer, Mudug is a region of the state like Haylan, Karkaar & Cayn , all those came from other pre war regions, but there is no such thing as Western Bari, like there is no Southern Nugaal or Eastern Bari. How was Ilka Jiir going to create an admin for a region that he did not even know existed?

After three years in his tenure as the interior minister of Puntland, he has yet to create a viable administration in Sanaag, Haylan (Highland), and Western Bari What region is called Western Bari and how was he going to set up an admin for a region that does not exist?

The poison behind the Ground Zero mosque furoreThe hate-filled sites of Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer have fuelled the fight against the Cordoba centre in New York Who would have thought that the most successful joke in the history of Comment is free could become a template for far right hate groups in the US? Yet Ariane Sherine's atheist bus ads now have a grim imitator in New York, where a group calling itself Stop Islamisation of America (SIOA) has put up bus ads with a picture of a plane flying into the twin towers on one side, and on the other, an image of the proposed Cordoba centre. The two people behind SIOA are Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller, who, between them, run two flourishing and hate-filled sites, Jihad Watch and Atlas Shrugs, which link into an undergrowth of far-right websites in Europe, including the skinheads of the English Defence League, but also to respectable rightwingers such as Douglas Murray of the Centre for Social Cohesion, and even the Catholic Herald. Spencer is a Roman Catholic of eastern Orthodox extraction who, for the last 10 years, has propagandised the view that Islam is a religion that commands its adherents to violence, and that Muslims all round the world obey. Jihad Watch, incorporating the earlier Dhimmi Watch, is a roiling cauldron of stories from all over the world to illustrate the treachery and violence of Muslims, the criminal weakness of liberals, and the twisted, hate-filled bigotry of anyone on the right who has ever quarrelled with him. Geller is a libertarian who once worked on Wall Street. For sanity and moderation, she makes Melanie Phillips look like Karen Armstrong. Geller and Spencer have just published a book together, The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration's War on America; her website currently contains 267 stories discussing whether the president is, in fact, a Muslim. To judge from their websites, the important political movement in England is the English Defence League (as Geller calls them, "the courageous English patriots of the much-maligned English Defence League"), and in Europe, the extremist Stop Islamisation of Europe group. Geller hosted a talk in Washington given by Anders Gravers, the founder in succession of Stop the Islamisation of Denmark, and then of Europe, at which he explained the enemy master plan: "The European Union acts secretly, with the European people being deceived about its development. Democracy is being deliberately removed, the latest example being the Lisbon treaty. However, the plan goes much further with an ultimate goal of being a European-Arabian super-state, incorporating Muslim countries of north Africa and the Middle East in the European Union. This is already initiated with the signing of the Barcelona treaty in 95 by the EU and nine north African states, and it became effective the first of January, 2010 – this year. It is also known as the Euro-Mediterranean co-operation. In return for some European control of oil resources, Muslim countries will have unfettered access to technology and movement of people into Europe. The price Europeans will have to pay is the introduction of sharia law and removal of democracy." You'd have thought that listening without giggling to such ravings disqualified anyone from being taken seriously. But Spencer was invited to supper by Murray of the Centre for Social Cohesion when he visited England last autumn, only for the evening to break up before it had even started when a bunch of EDL skinheads turned up at the restaurant, invited along by a supporter of Spencer who was making a video about him and had been interviewing them, too. The difference between the EDL and the various "Stop Islamisation of [your country here]" on the one hand, and the Centre for Social Cohesion on the other, while obvious to Murray, does not seem to have occurred to the American videomaker. Spencer was the subject of a fulsome interview in the Catholic Herald in 2007, which was, in turn, plugged by Damian Thompson in the Daily Telegraph; Thompson was then the Herald's editor-in-chief, and now is a leader writer on the Telegraph. "Major bookstores, gutlessly, refuse to stock Spencer's work," wrote Thompson then, "so here is a link to his main titles. I'd particularly recommend them to anyone who still believes sentimental nonsense about the Religion of Peace or its founder. (For some reason, the name Karen Armstrong springs to mind.)" Thompson and I quarrelled, terminally, when I criticised him for reprinting without checking another Spencer-linked story about a mob of Muslims closing down a hospital in Sydney, which turned out to originate from the imagination of a neo-fascist group there. He hasn't spoken to me since. Neither, though, has he used anything from Spencer on his blog. It looks as if some of the respectable English right has learned its lesson, but in America, Spencer and Geller are still taken seriously.

Good point.

Originally posted by NinaNC: GD, if you want folks to respect the PL flag, you have got to respect the SL flag, sorry bro, but it goes together. lol. Speak for yourself young lady, just becase you dont respect the Puntland flag does not mean others are like you... Now I respect the whole concept of Somaliland apart from the secession. You are clutching on to straws...

^^^Not sure who you talking to this time. Like NGOONGE or Gonzales as he is known to freinds says, stuff & nonsense adeer..

^^^Go away Gonzales..

Originally posted by NinaNC: Mogadisho is the key that opens all the "federal" doors" adeer. You can have offices in such and such cities but what really matters at the end is MOGADISHO nooh! Ok so thats what was botehring you all along, Mogadishu matters and other cities dont? Thats so old school.. What matters is the survival of the Somali race, and restoring the republic, if Hargaysa or Garowe can lead to that then no problem. I dont care if they move the capital to Zaylac, as long as it benefits the people. Today there are meaningless battles raging in Mogadishu as has beent he case for 20 years. Its time to rethink everything.

^^^Nonsense adeer, you asked a question and I gave you an answer. Why does leadership come into a factor in your qabiil decision making case? Not sure what you are alluding to here. It seems you misunderstand my point on purpose. I oppose the secessionists in Hargays, however I welcome the move to relocate the UN offices in Hargaysa, I would even welcome that Hargaysa become the new capital of Somalia. The reason being is that it is peaceful and it would further help the people of that named city who happen to be fellow Somali’s. Thus the point is its time to move on, Mogadishu is in no state to be the capital of the country at the moment, and development should not be halted just because of one city. Sakhar outlined this argument, its just you was not paying attention at the time.

^^^Its official lad, the UN is moving to Somalia, Garowe & Hargaysa and when things cool down to Mogadishu..

^^^lol deal with what? all of those local based organisations and the state you mentioned I see as a solution to the problem of identity and yes I welcome them all. Anything else, what a disapointment..

Atam oo la sheegey inuu ku sugan yahey muqdisho Posted by admin on August 18th, 2010 Garowe(Pi) Shabakada wararka Puntlandi.com oo baryahanba baaritaan ku heysey meesha uuku sugan yahey wadaadka sida xoogan looga raadinayo Puntland Maxamed Siciid Atam ayaa warar isasoo taraya noo xaqiijiyeen inuu maalmo ka hor intaan dagaalku bilaaban uu ka baxey deegaankuu ku sugnaa, iyadoo aan xiligaas la ogeyn meesha uu aadey. Dad aad ugu dhow wadaadka oo aan la kulaney waxey noocadeeyeen inuu aadey koonfurta Soomaaliya mase aysan cadeyn siduu ku tagey halkaas. Dad u shaqeeya isgaarsiinta Soomaaliya ayaa iyana noo sheegey inuu wadaadku muqdisho ku sugan yahey. Waxaase xaqiiq ah in Wadaad Atam uu isaga baxey buuraha Galgala iyo dhamaan Puntland ba intaan ciidamada Daraawiishtu weerarin sal dhigyadiisii. Idaacadaha wareysiga la yeeshey Atam ayaan iayagu cadeyn karin meesha uu joogo wadaadku maadaama uu isagu soo wacey sida naloo cadeeyey, mid ka mida idaacadaha ayaa saaacad ka hor wareysiga waxaa soo wacey nin kale oo u sheegey inuu kusoo xirayo Atam si ay u wareystaan, mase jirto idaaco iyadu wacdey Wadaadka si ay u wareystaan. Maxamed Saciid Atam ayaa ah ninka kowaad ee sida aadka ah ay ciidamada Dowlada Puntland baadi goobayaan, si ay usoo qabtaan isagoo loo heysto inuu abaabuley wax yaabo lid ku ah amaanka Puntland. Puntlandi.com Garowe/Bosaso

^^^You give up way too easy. Have a blessed day..

^^^No one is avoiding you adeer. In all my years in SOL, I have grown weary of those who claim to be nationalistic and yet can never accept the success of their own people. I took your bet and raised it. Young lady whats your problem with Garowe ?

^^^lol. I'm happy the UN will be stationed in Garowe and in Hargeysa, Thats all you had to say. AS for the flag comment... Flags, hmm! I'm thinking of designing my own calan one of these days. * off to look for a pencil * As if the state flag is some joke.. :rolleyes:

Niina is all over the place today... She starts off well with Suxuur time in a little bit. Danbiga iska yaree! Then moves on to California is American...then jumps to I support it wholeheartedly but qabiilisteyaal like you see things differently. Let me know when you wake up from your daydream, will you? What has made you so angry love? Common sense shall prevail. Also only you mentioned clans here, and only you seem to be angry that the UN is moving to Garowe, I remmeber you was mocking the Puntland flag a week or so ago. Dont worry, your views will have no effect on the state that is 40% of the country you claim to love.

Nina: Adeer what has gotten into you? Also Sakhar means that each region, state should compete in terms of development and not kill each other or let Mogadishu hold the whole nation back as it has for the last 20 years... Somalia i made up of many different regions, and states. Its all Somalia nooh, does not wash. The stable sattes should be rewarded, Hargaysa & Garowe deserve to get as much development as possible..

Turning East, Turkey Asserts Economic Power ISTANBUL — For decades, Turkey has been told it was not ready to join the European Union — that it was too backward economically to qualify for membership in the now 27-nation club. Enlarge This Image Monique Jaques for The New York Times Today, Turkey is a fast-rising economic power, with a core of internationally competitive companies turning the youthful nation into an entrepreneurial hub, tapping cash-rich export markets in Russia and the Middle East while attracting billions of investment dollars in return. For many in aging and debt-weary Europe, which will be lucky to eke out a little more than 1 percent growth this year, Turkey’s economic renaissance — last week it reported a stunning 11.4 percent expansion for the first quarter, second only to China — poses a completely new question: who needs the other one more — Europe or Turkey? “The old powers are losing power, both economically and intellectually,” said Vural Ak, 42, the founder and chief executive of Intercity, the largest car leasing company in Turkey. “And Turkey is now strong enough to stand by itself.” It is an astonishing transformation for an economy that just 10 years ago had a budget deficit of 16 percent of gross domestic product and inflation of 72 percent. It is one that lies at the root of the rise to power of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who has combined social conservatism with fiscally cautious economic policies to make his Justice and Development Party, or A.K.P., the most dominant political movement in Turkey since the early days of the republic. So complete has this evolution been that Turkey is now closer to fulfilling the criteria for adopting the euro — if it ever does get into the European Union — than most of the troubled economies already in the euro zone. It is well under the 60 percent ceiling on government debt (49 percent of G.D.P.) and could well get its annual budget deficit below the 3 percent benchmark next year. That leaves the reduction of inflation, now running at 8 percent, as the only remaining major policy goal. “This is a dream world,” said Husnu M. Ozyegin, who became the richest man in Turkey when he sold his bank, Finansbank, to the National Bank of Greece in 2006. Sitting on the rooftop of his five-star Swiss Hotel, he was looking at his BlackBerry, scrolling down the most recent credit-default spreads for euro zone countries. He still could not quite believe what he was seeing. “Greece, 980. Italy, 194 and here is Turkey at 192,” he said with a grunt of satisfaction. “If you had told me 10 years ago that Turkey’s financial risk would equal that of Italy I would have said you were crazy.” Having sold at the top to Greece, Mr. Ozyegin is now putting his money to work in the east. His new bank, Eurocredit, gets 35 percent of its profit from its Russian operations. Mr. Ozyegin represents the old guard of Turkey’s business elite that has embraced the Erdogan government for its economic successes. Less well known but just as important to Turkey’s future development has been the rapid rise of socially conservative business leaders who, under the A.K.P., have seen their businesses thrive by tapping Turkey’s flourishing consumer and export markets. Mr. Ak, the car leasing executive, exemplifies this new business elite of entrepreneurs. He drives a Ferrari to work, but he is also a practicing Muslim who does not drink and has no qualms in talking about his faith. He is not bound to the 20th-century secular consensus among the business, military and judicial elite that fought long and hard to keep Islam removed from public life. On the wall behind his desk is a framed passage in Arabic from the Koran, and he recently financed an Islamic studies program just outside Washington at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va., where Mr. Erdogan recently spoke. Whether he is embracing Islam as a set of principles to govern his life or Israeli irrigation technology for his sideline almond and walnut growing business, Mr. Ak represents the flexible dynamism — both social and economic — that has allowed Turkey to expand the commercial ties with Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria that now underpin its ambition to become the dominant political actor in the region. Other prominent members of this newer group of business executives are Mustafa Latif Topbas, the chairman and a founder of the discount-shopping chain BIM, the country’s fastest-growing retail chain, and Murat Ulker, who runs the chocolate and cookie manufacturer Yildiz Holding. With around $11 billion in sales, Yildiz Holding supplies its branded food products not just to the Turkish market but to 110 markets globally. It has set up factories in Kazakhstan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Ukraine and now owns the Godiva brand. The two billionaires have deep ties to the prime minister — Mr. Erdogan once owned a company that distributed Ulker-branded products, and Mr. Topbas is a close adviser — but the trade opportunities in this part of the world are plentiful enough that a boost from the government is now no longer needed. In June, Turkish exports grew by 13 percent compared with the previous year, with much of the demand coming from countries on Turkey’s border or close to it, like Iraq, Iran and Russia. With their immature manufacturing bases, they are eager buyers of Turkish cookies, automobiles and flat-screen televisions. This year, for example, the country’s flagship carrier, Turkish Airlines, will fly to as many cities in Iraq (three) as it does to France. Some of its fastest growing routes are to Libya, Syria and Russia, Turkey’s largest trading partner, where it flies to seven cities. That is second only to Germany, which has a large population of immigrant Turks. In Iran, Turkish companies are building fertilizer plants, making diapers and female sanitary products. In Iraq, the Acarsan Group, based in the southeastern town of Gaziantep, just won a bid to build five hospitals. And Turkish construction companies have a collective order book of over $30 billion, second only to China. On the flip side, the Azerbaijani government owns Turkey’s major petrochemicals company and Saudi Arabia has been a big investor in the country’s growing Islamic finance sector. No one here disputes that these trends give Mr. Erdogan the legitimacy — both at home and abroad — to lash out at Israel and to cut deals with Iran over its nuclear energy, moves that have strained ties with its chief ally and longtime supporter, the United States. (Turkey has exported $1.6 billion worth of goods to Iran and Syria this year, $200 million more than to the United States.) But some worry that the muscle flexing may have gone too far — perhaps the result of tightening election polls at home — and that the aggressive tone with Israel may jeopardize the defining tenet of Turkey’s founder, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk: peace at home, peace in the world. “The foreign policy of Turkey is good if it brings self-pride,” said Ferda Yildiz, the chairman of Basari Holding, a conglomerate that itself is in negotiations with the Syrian government to set up a factory in Syria that would make electricity meters. Even so, he warns that it would be a mistake to become too caught up in an eastward expansion if it comes at the expense of the country’s longstanding inclination to look to the West for innovation and inspiration. “It takes centuries to make relations and minutes to destroy them,” he said.

^^^I dont plan to any time soon.

^^^Indeed, but California has its own flag, parliment, capital and even Governor elected by the people. Thus is the case of Puntland & Somaliland. Yes they are also proud to be Somali.

^^^No doubt, but Somalia has regions adeer, and since the civil war, important states have emerged within the republic.

^^^Huh>? Hargaysa is the capital of NW, Garowe is the capital of the NE parts of Somalia. No mistake there.

^^^No Adeer they are relocating to Hargaysa & Garowe, also the confusion stems from both of these cities being in Somalia. Yeah it will be good for the Northern Somali states.

Good start for the capital.