^^nicely put mate.. but what percentage is muslim?

^^^Saxib either you are a child or need some help. There is no Love between Somali;s and anyone. Who loved us when we were running across the world desperate, refugees? The Arabs right, the Gulf states welcomed us with open arms right, maybe Pakistan did. This is politics son, not religion, not nationalism just dirty Somali politics. These clan courts are courting Eritrea, Oromo and others so the TFG will keep its support. Add something tangible to the debate son, what Jihad uses, Christian and Traditional beliveing warriors? What Jihad is led by Isiah Aferwarki? Dont fool the kids, Xasan Dahir and his comedy will not last, as I see it so do others and many more will.

Oromia, do you have any other sources to counter what I found enlighten us wont you. Present facts will you, I thought all Oromo were Muslim, and if the OLF the rebel movement and Oromo websites do not represent Oromo, then who does? Observer, the Tigray are Christain, those that reside in Eritrea as well as in Ethiopia. I do love your two liners. Olol,my point is why all the scream against the Ethioipians supporing the TFG, if the clan courts are using the help of Isaih Afwerki and OROMO fighters who might not be all Muslim. Ethiopia has even Somali officers in its armed forces.

^^^The point is if the Oromo fighters are fighting to creae a secular state why all the talk about Jihad and Islamic warriors. The OLF are not all Muslim, the Eritreans are definetly not Muslim. The argument of the clan courts is bull.

^^^Going back to the topic, People: Oromo Country: Oromia (also phonetically spelled as Oromiyaa) Area: 600,000 sq.km approx. Capital: Finfinnee (also called Addis Ababa) Population: 30 million (1995 estimate) Language: Oromo, also called Afan Oromo or Oromiffa Economy: Mainly agriculture (coffee, several crops, spices, vegetables) and Animal Husbandry; Mining industry; Tourism trade; Medium and small-scale industries (textiles, refineries, meat packaging, etc) Religion: Waaqqefata (the traditional belief in Waaqa or God), Islam, and Christian (Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant)

^^^Saxib, I have no problem you hating an individual, nut stop the gross generalisation. Then you will score more points than you are doing of late.

That is my bias, please don't offend me. At least I like Sh. C/rashiid Cali Sharma'arke more than my uncle C/laahi Ciise, (Allaha u naxariistee). Ubahane scores another goal.

^^^ there are millions of christian arabs should we turn our backs on them 2? there are hundreds of millions of non muslim chinese should we ignore the amount of chinese muslims wich is far greater than the number of somali muslims who are suffering? oromo's are our brothers and sisters simple as that it don't matter that some are christians justice should be granted to all people from all backgrounds not just muslims! so i fully support there dream of Biyya(country) Oromia Brother the Oromo have a right to freedom, but what I mind is this false perception that this is a war about Islam, no it is about their battle with Ethiopia their national interst, its about Eritrean interest. The clan courts are using Oromo, Eritrean fighters who are not all Muslim and with no Muslim agenda, yet they are saying that their rivals the TFG should not use outside support which includes, Yemen, Uganda and Ethiopia. Its not about Islam, its politics as usual. You learn something new everyday.

^^^Ok, so what about the Oromo Liberation Front, they must have something on their religious beliefs, they must be Muslims right? source On Religion and Religious Extremism The Oromo people are followers of three major religions: Islam, Christianity and traditional Oromo religion. :eek: The OLF respects religious equality and pursues secular policy. It opposes religious domination and religious extremism of any kind. The composition of its members and supporters among the Oromo people, irrespective of religious divides, is a clear testimony to the organization's correct democratic policy on religion.

There are many Oromo who are followers of Islam or Christianity and yet still practise the original Oromo religion. Bartels (1983) expressed this reality as follows: 'Whether they (Oromo) became Christians or Muslims, the Oromo's traditional modes of experiencing the divine have continued almost unaffected, in spite of the fact that several rituals and social institutions in which it was expressed, have been very diminished or apparently submerged in new ritual cloaks." Many used to visit, until very recently, the Galma and pay due respect to their clan Qaaiiu. This is more true in regions where Abyssinian Orthodox Christianity prevails.

Oromia and the Oromo people source People: Oromo Country: Oromia (also phonetically spelled as Oromiyaa) Area: 600,000 sq.km approx. Capital: Finfinnee (also called Addis Ababa) Population: 30 million (1995 estimate) Language: Oromo, also called Afan Oromo or Oromiffa Economy: Mainly agriculture (coffee, several crops, spices, vegetables) and Animal Husbandry; Mining industry; Tourism trade; Medium and small-scale industries (textiles, refineries, meat packaging, etc) Religion: Waaqqefata (the traditional belief in Waaqa or God), Islam, and Christian (Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant)

Simple search on website, not all Oromo are Muslim... source wikipedia. Oromo Total population 24 Million Regions with significant populations Ethiopia Language Oromo Religion Sunni Islam, Ethiopian Orthodox Christianity, Protestant, Traditional Related ethnic groups Somalis, Sidama, Afar, Agaw, Amhara, Hadiya, and Beja Religion In the 1994 Ethiopian census in the 85% Oromo region of Oromia, 44.3% were Muslims, 41.3% Orthodox Christians, 8.6% Protestants, 4.2% Traditional, and the remaining 1.6% constitute other religious groups. In urban Oromia Orthodox Christians constitute 67.8% of the population, followed by Muslims 24.0% and Protestants 7%.[6]

^^^So all Oromo are Muslim? Also would eritria qualify as a Muslim nation? Dude you are funny, maybe Oromo reserch is in order.

^^Ubahane is that what you said? I like you so I will let it go, also I dont want to embarass my kin..

Subxaanallaah, brother, you are waging a war to smear my credibility in SOL. Please, stop this, and don't make me among the liers by misrepresenting my true image. Brother you have a chance, did you lie or not? Oromia are you Ubahane as well?

^^^Now you did not say you was Ajuran [pardon mr moderator] If you are sure say so, because in SOL we can search past threads??

QM oo difaacday go'aankii ay Shaqaalaheeda ugala baxday Gudaha Dalka Somalia. Muqdisho, Jimco, 27 October 2006 Simba Radio Jamciyadda Qurumaha ka dhaxeysa, ayaa daafacday go'aankii ay Shaqaalaheeda ugala baxday Gudaha dalka Somalia, ayada oo sheegtay in dalka Somalia uu yahay dal qatar ku ah shaqaalaheeda. Laakiin Jamciyadda Qurumaha ka dhaxesya, waxa ay caddeysay in weli ay adeegsaneyso shaqaale Soomaali ah iyo Muwaadiniin si Howlaha ba'aadannimada ay usii socdaan Isku xiraha Deegaanka iyo Bani'aadannimada QM ugu qaabilsan Somalia Eric Laroche, ayaa sheegay in go'aankii Shaqaalaha QM looga soo saaray dalka Somalia uu ahaa mid lama huraan ah , sababtoo ah buu yiri waxaa la helay warbixino sheegay in Shaqaalaha Shisheeyaha ah lagu Bartilmaameedsan a yo Gudaha dalka Somalia. "Waaxda Ammaanka ugu qaabilsan QM ayaa sheegtay in dalka Somalia uu qatar ku yahay Shaqaalaha Shisheeyaha ah ee Jamciyadda Qurumaha ka dhaxeysa” ayuu yiri Mr. Eric Laroche. Eric Laroche, waxa uu sheegay in QM ay kordhin doonto Shaqaalaha Soomaalida ah ee ka howl galaya Gudaha dalka Somalia, islamarkaana sare loo qaadi doono Awoodooda howlgalineed si ay ugu guuleystaan buu yiri inay kaalmooyinka loo baahan yahay siiyaan dadka dhibaateysan ee Soomaalida ah. Jamciyadda Qurumaha ka Dhaxeysa, ayaa sheegtay horaantii Bishan in halista iyo amaan Darrada ay ka laba jibaarantay Gudaha dalka Somalia, kadib markii la dilay sooro talyaani ah oo ka howl galeysa xarunta SOS ee Magaalada Muqdisho, islamarkaana Madaxweynaha KMG ah ee Somalia uu ka badbaaday isku day lagu qaarijin lahaa. QM, waxa ay sheegtay in kiisaskaasi amni darro iyo suurta galnimada ah in bara kac uu ka dhaco gudaha dalka Somalia, ay dad badan oo ku nool Somalia qatar geliyeen, ayada xaaladdii Bani Aadannimana ay sii xumaatay. Phillippe Lazzarini, oo ah u qeybvsanaha Xafiiska Arriamha Ban'aadanimada ee QM ee marka magaciisa lasoo gaabiyo loo yaqaano UNOCHA, ayaa sheegay in Somalia iminka ay u baahan tahay maal gelin , si loo weeciyo xaaladaha adag ee soo wajahan, waxaana uu codsaday Mashruuca QM ee dab yaaqada sanadkan lagu daro muhiimadiisa dalka Somalia. Jamciyadda Qurumaha ka dhaxesya, ayaa codsatay 324 milyan oo dollar si loogu maal geliyo Mashruucyo kala duwan oo laga hir gelinayo Gudaha dalka Somalia. Simba Media Center , Mogadishu

^^^Saxib, why did you lie about who you are? Is that not un-islamic pretending to be someone else. I remmeber you made that statement when I pressed you that you supported the courts because of clan. Now you talk about Jihad?

War for what ends to keep all the gold and the fat of the land?

^^^Saxib, at least I dont lie, like the clan courts and their supporters. Yesterday it was Aydeed, today it is Xasan Dahir Aways, both times it is to expand clan agenda both times they will lose.

^^^Leave the dude be, his bravery and reigious fever is cyber bound. The dude even lies about his clan. Then pretends to be a Mujahid.

You are now acting as your grandfathers who were the main reason for the colonial powers to invade Somalia, the two kings in Puntland who broke the back of our nation at times of difficult. Ubahane, falsehood is not required, my grandfather was a religious man who did not dable in politics. My kisnmen are also noted as fighting of the Italians both in Hobyo and Bargaal, hence why those regions were the last to be colonised. 1927 was the date when the Kismgdom came to an end. Who were the fighters of the Italians when they attacked the Muslim sultinate of Hobyo? I guess you dont know the history, or maybe you do. As for another point, General Aydeed, had the support of the Ethiopians when he topled the regime of Siyad, right or wrong?

^^^anigana waxaan rabaa inaan u sheego inaanan kala fogeyn oo aan ahay dadka kasoo uskumay reerka uu Xasan Turki ka dhashay, inkastoo ay HG nagu sheegaan. LOL War abti, I thought you said you was from another family all together? The Qalafo dynasty I thought you said. If you had told me earlier I would have showd more restraint, since one has to respect his uncles...

Somalia: The Impending Battle Posted to the MOL October 27, 2006, 7:52 am Summary Troops in Somalia are digging in for an anticipated battle between the country's interim government and its allies on one side and the Supreme Islamic Courts Council (SICC) on the other. Despite recent successes, a SICC victory is not assured, since the Islamists have yet to prove themselves in a pitched battle. The interim government and its allies face their own logistical obstacles, however. Regardless of who emerges victorious, fears are running high among Somalian civilians that clan reprisals will result from this struggle. Analysis Troops in Somalia are digging in for an anticipated battle between the country's interim government and its allies on one side and the Supreme Islamic Courts Council (SICC) on the other. Despite recent successes, a SICC victory is not assured, since the Islamists have yet to prove themselves in a pitched battle. The interim government and its allies face their own logistical obstacles, however. Regardless of who emerges victorious, fears are running high among Somalian civilians that clan reprisals will result from this struggle. Somalia's secular interim government and its Ethiopian and regional backers have so far blocked SICC from its goal of preserving and expanding its authority. The SICC now appears to be gearing up to overcome this obstacle. Thus, SICC leader Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys said Oct. 24 that the time for negotiations with the interim government was over. Aweys dared the interim government's backer, Ethiopia, to invade. Ethiopia's taking up the challenge would benefit SICC since increased Ethiopian involvement would motivate Somalians to support SICC against Christian foreigners. The Islamists began rallying 2,000 troops just east of the interim government's base, Baidoa, on Oct. 26. This move came a day after the Islamists cut off the delivery of fuel from Mogadishu to Baidoa to deny government forces mobility. Aweys intends to hold massive rallies in Mogadishu and other cities under SICC control Oct. 27, a strategy designed to mobilize additional fighters. A SICC victory over Baidoa and Ethiopian and allied troops is not assured, however. First, its base of power is the professed loyalty of Somalian warlords, many of whom could have professed that loyalty for political reasons. There is a substantial difference between convincing warlords engaged in a perpetual power struggle to profess a potentially beneficial loyalty and actually getting them to act on it by deploying their own militias far from their personal centers of power. Second, even if the warlords can be mobilized, finding sufficient transportation to project their forces en masse in southern and central Somalia could prove problematic -- to say nothing of the logistics needed to sustain combat operations. And third, getting those militias to coordinate and operate on the same level as a uniformed military force poses great challenges to the Islamists. Baidoa has the benefit of Ethiopia's backing -- a country with a structured, equipped military, which could prove decisive in any conflict with the fairly ragtag Somalian militias. With additional support from Uganda and Kenya, even logistical support alone, will shift the balance of power even further to Baidoa's corner. Dependency comes at a cost for Baidoa, though. Addis Ababa and its allies face major hurdles, which imperils Baidoa's likelihood of success. Ethiopia has reportedly had trouble in the past supplying its troops on the Somalian border with food and water. Supplying engaged, advancing units would prove even more problematic. Although Ethiopian troops are operating near their own border, their supply lines run much deeper into Ethiopia. Though Ethiopia does field a number of transport aircraft capable of operating from improvised airfields like those in Baidoa, it is probably not capable of supporting a large presence in Somalia solely by air. War in Somalia will involve infantry, trucks and "technicals" -- pickups with heavy machine guns and recoilless rifles mounted in the truck beds. Ethiopia does have some 250 old Soviet-era tanks (T-54s and T-62s) and 300-plus armored reconnaissance/fighting vehicles, not to mention artillery, artillery rockets and air defense. It also would enjoy undisputed control of airspace, fielding 25 Mi-24 Hind attack helicopters and a number of combat fighter jets that could be used to engage massed Somalian militias or bombard a small town in which those militias might shelter. To counter the Ethiopian armed forces, SICC militia and its assortment of warlords riding on technicals reportedly continue to receive weapons from Ethiopia's rival Eritrea, including surface-to-air missile systems, anti-tank recoilless rifles and rocket-propelled grenade weapons systems, heavy machine guns and anti-aircraft artillery cannons. More menacingly than these conventional armaments is the likelihood that hard-liners within the SICC led by Adan Hashi Ayro, an extremist trained in Afghanistan, will recruit foreign jihadists to boost their fighting force. It is believed Yemen will become a transit point for the recruitment of jihadists fighting in Iraq to join the fray in Somalia. The battle for Baidoa is not the ultimate prize, though. To achieve their goals, the Islamists must hold Mogadishu and eject the secular government and its allies from Baidoa. For their part, the interim government and its Ethiopian and Ugandan allies have to hold Baidoa and eject the Islamists from Mogadishu. Neither of these goals is realistically achievable, however. The Islamists cannot project force to take Baidoa from the already-entrenched interim government and its Ethiopian backers. And the Ethiopians would be foolish to try fighting their way into Mogadishu. And while Somalian and neighboring political actors mobilize and maneuver their forces, however, Somalian civilians fear they will bear the brunt of the looming battle. Reprisals against rival clans, especially between the ****** and ****** clans in central Somalia --the clans of Aweys and Interim President Abdullahi Yusuf, respectively -- is a fear that resonates deeply ahead of Somalia's battle. Source: Stratfor