He is raising some good points here though Unionist idealogy: some learned individuals disguising themselves as Northern unionists employ a counterproductive strategy based on tribalism for unionism. Through lack of genuine nationalism coupled with clannish sense of purpose, they horribly upload their writings with hateful overtones labeling a certain clan in the North as troublesome secessionists as though they were less Somali than others. These articles appearing frequently on Somali websites are not only characterized by myopic views but they truly reflect paranoiac attitudes towards others as well. Given the potential lurking dangers in the dark, employing a strategy splitting up Somaliland into clannish cantons as a vehicle for re-establishing unity of Somalia has a lot of contradictions in itself and manifests ideological and political bankruptcy which cannot be an option for any true unionist. Historically, tribalism proved a very dividing and devastating factor in the social and political relations among Somalis. The unfortunate collapse of Somali government is widely attributed to tribalism and therfore it cannot be used as a medium for resurrecting the unity of Somalia from rubbles under any circumstances Frankly speaking, neither Awdal State nor Khatumo or others already declared in the South can lead us to reestablishment of a strong Somali government, but we will end up in creating another epoch of total anarchy, bloody inter-clan hostilities, disunity, devastation and human suffering in the modern Somali history

Taleexi;782551 wrote: Indhaha fur. Even that one clan state - arkaanta Islaamka oo kale ma aha ... ee way sii kala gogo'i karaan. See wax kuugu sheegaa. Wax kala go' go aya uun baad ka sheekeysa waxanad tidhaha hadh iyo habeen midniman raba mid dooro dee abti sidani wa khal khal eh

I thought Somaliland was a one clan state how can it disintegrate into tribal fiefdoms:D What a confused bunch

The Dervishes were a group as the modern Alshaabist they used to identify them selves as Xarakata Darawiish Saalxiya it was not a clan or a group. The Sultan there you posted was described by the Mad Mullah as the Dulihi shareerna he was later locked up in Seychelles by the brits.

'Liibaan';782477 wrote: Xaji X, you are radical clan secessionist, and your snm/Somalidiid-land is clan-Jabhad. thousands of your clan leaders and clan soldiers were working for Government of Somalia and Somali National Army during 1980s, and today there is so many from your clan who work for TFG Government. Most of the current leaders of snm/Somaliland Clan Enclave like warrencade, Gaboose,Riyaale, Cigaal, Cirro, Waraabe (the infamous informer), etc, all of them were working for Somali Government in the period between 1980-1991. Xaji X as clan-secessionist you want to divide your country Somalia along fake clan and colonial lines. you want your own snm/Somalidiid clan-state, your own snm/somalidiid clan flag, your own snm/somalidiid clan militia. Liibaan where does the Somalia border ends according to you that's a question i want to ask you second Yes there are individuals who worked for the former Somali government but what is the point the government is no longer there. What do you want me to say they should be killed or something come on son. The TFG officials cannot visit their homeland they have allied them selves with the other group and they left Somaliland for good. Again i don't see you're point, My point is you try to portray the Somaliland army as a one clan army at the same time 100s of you're clan daily defect according to you're websites how is that possible if it is a one clan army?

General Duke;782474 wrote: The secessionists are in a situation today that's quite remarkable. Somalia is coming back. You were saying that in 2007 when warlord Yey was destroying Mogadisho with the help of Ethiopian mercenaries and guess what in 2012 not only the Ethiopians are back the Kenyans are there two even Ismaciil Cumar geele joined the party. And ofcourse we have our Ugandan and Burundian forces as well under the command of a dude called General Bahuku bahaka. The Pirate enclave criminals are facing some serious problems with killed clan elders every day in Mudug and Bari and Killed MPs and the subclan state is turning into a sub sub clan state, Yes indeed Somalia is coming back:D Somalia is divided more than ever along clan lines and Irhaabist and more clan states are popping out every where and the party indeed continues:D. Rome is thinking about putting Somalia under an official trusteeship and in Dukes mind everything is getting better:D

Taleexi;782472 wrote: Maya tobonayadii late eighties qol London ah isugu timi ee SNM abuurtay baan ka hadlayaa... maxaad horta isu yeelyeeshaa ... you who reer Awdal are... SNM dee may qaadi jirin beerkey adiga ku weyn intay bawdaha calanka Somalia ku xidhan they were determined wanay ka midhi dhaliyeen himiladoodi. Anigu nin Dalxiisyaan arkaya iyo qolo xaflad ku jirta oo xabxab ka dhargay oo camaradaha isku dhigaya kaalaya na arka

Taleexi;782463 wrote: Egal annagaa beri hore qoraalo is waydaarsanay ... Reerkiisii Awdalna gab, Reer Somaliland-na ma badbaadin karaan... Waa digaagad madaxa laga gooyey oo kale ... ikhtiyaar badan ma laha inay galgalato mooyaane. Khaatumo iyo Awdal ma ina Egal oo kale baa loo joojinayaa! la yaabna ka daran, ee waa amankaag. Allow soo hadee. Horta awdaltay ka sheekeyaan maxay ahayd ma waxaad ka hadlaysa ninki Toronto ka tegey looool ma isaga awdal la yidha ma nin dhan ba magac gobol la yidha lol.

What first they wanted to defeat Somaliland with poorly written articles and now they want to shoot us with their Music instruments all the way from Minneapolis

Taleexi;782442 wrote: Why would one treat them as a privileged group? .... Let our brothers come to the discussion table like anyone else. No more, no less. Who said they want to unite with Somalia? Somaliland will never ever be ruled by others they know the world knows it

Cali dhimbil na muxu aha is that you Carafaat

'Liibaan';782410 wrote: Somalidiid-land clan-secessninists are hypocrites, presently Clan secessionists are calling for the elimination of SSC/Khaatumo people, they blindly support the killing of innocent people in Buuhoodle, and Laascaanood by Warlord Siilaanyo and his snm clan-militia. And they accusing Somali Government of war crimes (1980s), while at the same they support the unwarranted attacks on SSC/Khaatumo people, and the killing in SSC/Khaatumo civilians in Buhoodle and Laascaanood. The hypocrisy, the anger, the bitterness, and the hatred of snm clan secessionists toward Khaatumo/SSC people will not help. Very simple to understand, if snm/Somaliland doesn't want to be part of Somalia, SSC/ Khaatumo People don't want to be part of so-called Somaliland Clan Entity. If Somalia is divisible, likewise the territories of former British Somali colony is divisible as well. No one can force SSC/Khaatumo people, SSC/Khaatumo people will defend themselves and their ancestral land. Liibaan call it 100 times clan won't change the fact that there 1000s of you're clan in the Somaliland national army , yesterday you were proudly claiming 200 of the sl soldiers defected to Khaatumo. Now tell me how's you're clan not part of the national army and yet you want to portray it as a one clan army .You are contradicting your self Mr Liibaan,,Liibaan you're arguments are baseless. Somalia's govt in the 80s and 70s was a harsh dictatorship people were not allowed to criticize the government Muslim clerics were slaughtered in broad day light.You cannot compare it with today's Somaliland government a government elected by the Majority of the Somalilanders one man one vote.Liibaan you are a clan nationalist why are you always talking about clan division when you are in reality suggesting a strategy to divide Somalia its self into weak federal states.Running from a viable effective working government and trying to replace it with a clan state in order to achieve a non existing unity highly delusional i have to say.

speedy recovery inshallah

The unity of Somalia in Minneapolis these people are hilarious Xiinfanin the Garowe clan enclave needs CLAN unity and you are talking about a party. Where booty shakers will wrap themselves with the Somalia flag and that will miraculously unite Somalia in the twin cities really:D

If badly written articles could defeat Somaliland , the National army wouldn't chase you around and we would experience less emotional outbursts here on sol:D

What attending a conference loooooooool:D

NGONGE;782383 wrote: Breaking News ..Hargeisa just decided to break away from SL! :D:D

No is suggesting uniting with Somalia not a single person in Somaliland mentions that not even the one in the TFG the likes of Ina Omaar. But its just some Somalilanders think they can use this particular conference to spread their message and use it in their advantage and that's all. And than there are others who are against it and see it like nothing new. I mean there are 4 entities coming out of Somalia its obvious that Somalia has failed its people. and not Somaliland.Peace and action you don't need Somaliland ,Somalia needs you and only you can help Somalia Somaliland cannot help Somalia in the long term and they know that two good luck my friend.

Carafaat stop focusing on Mintid farayars personal profile but come with real sensible arguments to back up you're claims.

Maxay ahayeen dadka mad madoow eeh makhsinka lugu so xiidhay eeh boodhadhku hor yaalaan

defeat the entire people of Awdal that's a good joke:D

Oodweyne;782338 wrote: ^^^Now come on Bro, Quit with the suspence, and give us, the heads up in here (or at least give me in private through our usual chanel) Oodweyne Jb was told to be quiet or else he will end up in jail Like qoladi hctv:D adna waad qod qodaysa manad ogayn sol Xirsi ba akhriya.

No one is talking about kids or the small skimirish in Buuhoodle read again this is about enemies wax fahan:D

“Haddii aannu iska hornimaadno cadaw-gayaga uma naxariisanno kamana baqanno..” January 30th, 2012 Hargeysa (Somaliland.Org) Wasiirka Wasaaradda Kalluumaysiga iyo khayraadka badda ee Somaliland Md. Cabdilaahi Jaamac Cismaan (Geel-jire), ayaa sheegay in Genaral Maxamed Siciid Xirsi (Moorgan) oo hoggaaminayey dagaalladii 1988-kii Somaliland ay ka fulisay dawladdii Maxamed Siyaas Barre, ugu hanjabtay inaanay Somaliland daandaansiga aqoon, hase ahaatee, ay taqaanno sida cawgeeda la isaga celiyo. Wasiirka Kalluumaysigu wuxuu sidaasi ka sheegay mar uu la hadlayay Saxaafada waxaanu yidhi “Moorgan oo 1988-kii xasuuqa uu ka sameeyay Goballadan (Somaliland) la ogaa ayaa maantana Tiifiiyada soo fadhiisanaya isaga oo Saraakiil isku wareejiyay u soo goohaaya colaad ay Puntland dabada ka waddo, waxaannu leenahay Walaallayaal waxaasi wax idinka idin-anfaca maaha, annagana wax na-anfacaaya maaha. Dadka colaadda u soo goohaya waxaannu uga digaynaa annagu cid maddoonanno oo ma jeclin inaannu cadaw yeelanno, haddannu yeelanno oo Illaahay-ba ka dhigo oo aannu iska hornimaadno cadaw-gayaga uma naxariisanno kamana baqanno, waddankayagana waannu difaacnaa ee waxaannu leenahay wallaalayaal nabadda ayaa innoo wada dana.” Wasiir Geel-jire oo hadalkiisa sii wataa waxa uu yidhi; “Puntland in badan ayaanu wallaal tinimada ugu baqaynay iyo in la illaaliyo wanaaga laakiin waxa muuqata in mar walba ay wanaaga iyo wallaal nimada ay ka jeclaysanayaan colaad.waxa layaaba in dadkayaga sijoogta ah ay ugu kicinayaan qabyaalad oo ay doonayaan inay wanaagayaga baabi’iyaan oo ummada kiciyaan iyo inay sheegtaan dad Somaliland oo waad ogaydeen in mar-wlaba ay sheeganayaan Gobalo sida ay ka sheeganayaa dalka Soomaaliya oo ay yidhaahdaan dad aanu isir wadaagno ayaa dagan oo waxa ay dagaalo ku hayeen waad ogaydeen, waa dal jira oo ay xuduudihiisu ay cadyihiin oo dadkii lahaa ay badheedh ugu heshiyeen Wakhti aan dhawayn oo ay dawlad ka samaystaan.” “Haddana waxay xorriyaddoodii ay la soo noqdeen 31 sano ka dib oo waa dal Calan leh oo Ummadi ay ku heshiisay Nabad iyo wallaalnimo. Waxaannu layaabbannahay waxay dalkayaga ay ku nacebyihiin inuu burburo oo uu colaadgalo iyo in dad kayagu ay baaba’aan waxanu leenahay oo aanu ugu baaqaynaa wallaalayaal ka noqda mar marsiiyaha colaadeed ee aad abaabulaysan oo waanu ognahay inaad colaad abaabulaysan ku salaysan qabyaalad.” Sidaa ayuu yidhi Wasiirka Kalluumaysigu Md. Cabdillaahi-Geel-jire.