Mario B;868517 wrote: The lady [Hilary] was loud and clear when she was in London, "no break-up of Somalia ". Somalia is big enough for all the clans. Those peddling " clan international borders " and a "President " in every tuulo are just plain mad!! Hillary Clinton should worry more about whether obama selects here again as the foreign secretary of state or not. The united states policy on Somalia and Somaliland hasn't changed a bit supporting the dual track approach for Somalia and Somaliland the support of clan federalism in Somalia. The Fight against islamist in Somalia,continue to support Somaliland democratization process and let Somaliland and Somalia clarify their own future relations.The West including the united states is very neutral on the case of Somaliland and Somalia.The united states well the bush administration clearly said that they will support Somaliland recognition if its done through the African union the Bush administration went even as far as saying that they should swift the power to Somaliland. Its not like kurdistan that is being hold hostage by a NATO member Turkey and a US ally in the region. Somaliland has the best case in Africa legally and it will take a political solution in the long term Neighboring IGAD countries are not clearly opposed to Somaliland statehood. But they only fear for their own territorial integrity Mobassa secession in Kenya and the O'gaden secession in Ethiopia. Egypt has a new regime because of this new govt that took over Egypt they finally started to formulate a real foreign policy for the first time since Anwar al sadat.The Mubarak Govt allowed sudan to split they lost pretty much all their influance in Africa that the gamaal abdulnasir regime built in the 50s 60s to comete with the Israeli influance. The First visit of the Egyptian foreign minister was not to Washington or brussels but it was to sudan khartoum. Egypt wants its influance back in the region and in Africa and they want to focus on that.Former African union chairman Alpha Kunare was very pro Somaliland the case of Somaliland was raised at the african union a few times the Egyptians strongly opposed any discussion of Somaliland and they suqashed the efforts of alpha kunare to give SL a associate member status in the AU. He suggested that Somaliland should start talks with the TFG but at that time Somalia was a total mess there were Ethiopians icu muqawamo shabaab .But talks are now starting to take place so lets see how that goes i predict a very peaceful future of Somaliland and Somalia.

^^ Carafaat Somalia is taking baby steps towards the right direction if you reject every little improvement in Somalia than i have to consider u a spoiler Mr.

Oba does carafaat have something against beesha Unuka who are the most welcoming Somalis ever , What is Carafaats problem i can tell you why carafaat is angry hiil qaran lost:D

Mario its true u will hear in a few weeks time just wait and see son.

Carafaat its called xal not xaq but xal.

oba hiloowlow;849629 wrote: Who made this map?

malistar2012;868481 wrote: Omar and Prof Samater both will get high position in the new admin better than representing regional governor . Somalia needs Samater because of his experience and intellectual , it will be very disappointment if his not member of the new admin. Strongly urge Pro Samater to join the new admin Very unlikely Samatar is not going to work under this Govt i can tell you that right now.

Siyaasi the so called MPs that are supposed to represent the people of Somaliland were not appointed and selected by the Somaliland elders so we dont know how they will vote besides that only 44 MPs are from Somaliland. So the guys nimanki shaqo tagay they voted for different candidates sharif the new president Faarmaajo Cabdi weli.

malistar2012;868466 wrote: They are Patriot , Nationalist , they would rep Somalia in the international world , they will get high position in the new admin . Position far more influence than any Snm admin ever held . Soon Snm Admin will listen to them follow their order , its over Jb its over my friend , How is Buubaa a patriot he was Cabdilahi Yusuf foreign minister he was cheering for Xabashis in Somalia i dont know ur definition of patriotism. And i dont think prof samatar is interested in a job as Minister in Somalia he will move back to Minneapolis.

Jacaylbaro;868289 wrote: I even wonder which flight will they catch to flee out of Muqdisho now ........... I am hearing Buubaa is back in Nairobi and Omaar is still in xamar probably he might move back to his old job in Djibouti

:D:D:D

^^ Do you wanna give the detoore a heart attack naming a non pirate prime Minister will drive the dr crazy.

Somali militants claim responsibility for hotel blasts Reuters – NAIROBI (Reuters) - Somalia's al Shabaab rebels carried out a bomb attack on Wednesday that targeted a Mogadishu hotel where the president and Kenya's visiting foreign minister were holding a news conference, the group said. "(Al Shabaab) successfully targets a hotel near the airport in Mogadishu where a high profile meeting was being held," the al Qaeda-linked insurgent group said on its official Twitter handle. Somalia's new President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud and Kenyan Foreign Minister Sam Ongeri were not hurt in the attack. (Reporting by Richard Lough)

Ethiopia’s ruling party prepares to elect new chairman (ADDIS ABABA) - Ethiopia’s ruling coalition, the Ethiopia Peoples Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF) is expected to hold a meeting on 16 September to elect the party’s new chairperson who also will most likely be the successor of the late prime minister, Meles Zenawi. Following the death of Zenawi on 20 August, the deputy prime minister and foreign affairs Minister, Hailemariam Desalegn has been the acting prime minister of Ethiopia. Desalegn was supposed to be officially sworn in on Thursday however the ruling party delayed the appointment raising concerns from opposition groups and uncertainty from the public on the viability of the post-Zenawi new leadership. Ethiopian Democratic Party (EDP), one of the country’s biggest opposition groups on Wednesday said the fact that the country still remains to be led by an acting prime minister indicates the country is not in a full functional state and could create a power vacuum. Speaking to Sudan Tribune some opposition groups have speculated that the delay on the appointment of country’s new leader might be due to internal conflict among the heavy weights within the EPRDF leadership. The Ethiopian government has dismissed concerns from the public that the death of the late premier could create power vacuum in the horn of Africa’s nation. According to government officials, the newly elected chairman of the ruling EPRDF party will most likely take on the government until next elections in 2015. “We are expecting the council meeting to be on the 16th,” Seikoture Getachew, the foreign relations head at the Ethiopian Peoples’ Revolutionary Democratic Front’s secretariat, told Bloomberg. “There will be the assignment of chairperson and deputy chairperson.” He added. Ethiopia, on 2 September, held a state funeral of the country’s long-time leader. Tens of thousands of people including dozens of African leaders and hundreds of foreign dignitaries’ attended the funeral. All leaders of Ethiopia neighbour’s attended the funeral ceremony with the exception of Eritrea. However the Red Sea nation which remains at loggerheads with Ethiopia over the unresolved border dispute has gave its respects over Zenawi’s death via Binyam Berhe, Eritrea’s envoy to the Africa Union. Berhe signed at the condolences book and has also shook the hand of Azeb Mesfin, the wife of Prime Minister Meles Zenawi. Ethiopia and Eritrea fought a 1998-2000 border war over their disputed boundary that killed an estimated 70,000 people.

NGONGE;868396 wrote: ^^ A&T is being lazy and playing the "waxa la yedhi" card. But, I wouldn't totally dismiss the fluke he made here. There are lots of questions to be asked about the future relations between the two sides. There are questions to be asked about the UK's "Consulate" in SL and the fact that it will report to Matt Baugh instead of the guy in Ethiopia, etc, etc, etc... Is Siilaanyo hedging his bets here or does he believe some of this stuff does not matter? Like I say, if "unionists" such as A&T had it in them, they could come up with loads of uncomfortable questions for SL and its future, fortunately, they're all great experts when it comes to "waxa la yedhi" only. The Hargeysa consulate will be linked to the Embassy in Addis ababa rather than Matt baugh in Nairobi. The Somaliland govt knows that you will hear more about this in the coming weeks.

malistar2012;868419 wrote: Noting new , these are top 3 three heavyweight 1960 Genera Salad Gabeyre , President Aden Abdullah Osman Daar , General Daaud Defense Minister General daud was the Commander of the Armed forces not the Minister of defense he was the Father of the Somali military.

Dr_Osman;868416 wrote: Ngone, xaaji..There is not one place the president can appoint or sack anyone without the PM. Its all over the dastuurka. I am not going to repost it. He doesnt appoint the ministers, ambassadors, deputies, or even the general the pm does. Asaa uu sheego qof la magacabayo si fican uu aqri. Wat i see occuring is the president is choosing his president. Thats what this dastuur is about The president is choosing his President u got me confused there detoore.

I was just reading the constitution and right now Somalia has no capital city lol.

The presidential position is not symbolic i think the Prime Minister is the head of the Government running the governments daily affairs while the president is the head of state with executive power appointing ambassadors commander in chief of the Armed forces

Suldaanka;868386 wrote: Unuka folks earned respect when they said: Dalkaaga difaac diidi maa, Hargeisa ku duul dooni maa!. He was the Fighter jet pilot who refused to Bomb Hargeysa Noble man ilaahay raali haka noqdo.

Since when is it allowed to name clan names on SOL Abtigiis is breaking the rules this is a serious matter.

Jig-jiga iyo Xarshin oo Xabaal Wareedyo looga Qoday 34 Askari oo Liyuu Booliska Kilalka shanaad Kaga dhintay Dagaalkii Cilmi Xirsi iyo 9 Qof Rayid ah Qaar ka mida Dhaawacyadii shacabka oo Hargeysa la soo gaadhsiiyay iyo Dagaalkii oo Qaboobay. Xarshin(Waaheen)-Magaalada jig-jiga ee Caasimadda ismaamulka Somalida Itoobiya ayaa shalay lagu Aasay 34 Askari oo ka tirsanaa Ciidanka Liyuu Booliska Kilalka shanaad ee Itoobiya oo ku dhintay Dagaal dhex maray Ciidamadooda iyo Dad shacab oo ay doraad ku soo weerareen tuuladda Cilmi Xirsi oo ka tirsan Degmada Xarshin. Magaalada Xarshin ayaa sidoo kale shalay , lagu Aasay 9 qof oo ka mid ah Dadkii Rayidka ahaa ee Dagaalkaasi lagu laayay , Doraad Maalinimadii ilaa Habeen hore , kuwaasoo isugu jiray 8 Nin iyo Qof oo Dumar ah oo la sheegay inay Hooyo ahayd. Dagaalkan oo Maalin saddexaad ka bilaamay Tuulada Cilmi Xirsi, hase yeeshee gelinkii dambe ee isla maalintasi ku fiday deegaamo badan oo hoos yimada Degmada Xarshin, ayaa dhinaca kale lagu soo waramayaa inuu joogsaday, ka dib markii shalay gelinkii hore uu Degmada Xarshin uu soo gaadhay sarkaal ka socda dawlada dhexe ee Itoobiya oo fadhigiisu yahay Magaalada jig-jiga iyo Ciidamo uu wataa , kaasoo dejiyay xiisadii halkaasi ka aloosnayd, isla markaana Shacbigu tuseen dhibaatada ay u geysteen Ciidanka Liyuu Boolisku. Dadka Rayidka ah ee Dagaalkaasi ku dhaawacmay oo iyagana isu-geyntooda lagu sheegay 7 Ruux, ayaa saddex ka mid ah la soo gaadhsiiyay Cisbitaalka Guud ee Magaalada Hargeysa, halkaasoo lagula tacaalayo Xaaladooda caafimaad. Ma jiro War rasmiya oo ay dawlada Itoobiya ka soo saartay iska hor-imaadkan Khasaaraha badan geystay ee ka dhashay weerarka Liyuu-booliska Kilalka shanaad ku soo qaadeen Bulshada rayidka ah ee ku dhaqan Nawaaxiga degmada Xarshin, hase yeeshee talaabadan ayaa dadka deegaanku ku tilmaameen baro-kicin ay dawlada Kilalka shanaad ku samaynayso shacbiga jidaasi degen, kuwaasoo tiroba dhawr jeer oo kala dambeeyay hawl-gal caynkan oo kale ah ay ku soo qaadeen Ciidamada Itoobiya. Madaxweynaha hada haya talada Dawlad deegaanka ismaamulka Somalida Itoobiya Cabdi Iilay ayaa lagu tilmaamaa inuu yahay Madaxweyne wax badan ka qabtay Nabad-gelyada Gobolkiisa, isla markaana meesha ka saaray Jabhadii ONLF ee dhulkaasi ka dagaalamaysay sanadaha badan, hadana labadii sanadood ee uu hogaanka hayay ilaa dhawr jeer ayaa Ciidamadiisu Khasaare laxaad leh u geysteen dad Rayid ah oo aan waxba galabsan, kuwaasoo weeraro iyo dilal aan sababayn lahayn loo geystay. Bishii March ee sanadkan ayay ahayd markii Dagaal ba’ani Deegaanka Gaashaamo ku dhex maray Ciidamada sida milateriga u tababaran ee Liyuu Booliska Kilalka shanaad iyo Dad Deegaankaasi degen oo si kedis ah isugu dhacay , kaasoo ka bilaabay Askari Ciidan ah oo si badheedha ah ugu Toogtay Tuuladda Cadaada Nin shicib ah, iyadoo markii Ninkaasi Ciidamadu dileen dadkii shacabka ahaana ku kaceen.

We are moving forward.

White House Denies Netanyahu Request For Meeting Amid Signs of Increased U.S.-Israeli Tension DOUG MATACONIS · TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 2012 President Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will both be in New York later this month for the annual United Nations General Assembly Meeting, although they won’t be in the city at the same time. Nonetheless, the Obama White House has apparently denied a request from Netanyahu’s office for a meeting during the time the Israeli leader is in the country: (Reuters) – The White House has rejected a request by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to meet President Barak Obama in the United States this month, an Israeli official said on Tuesday, after a row erupted between the allies over Iran’s nuclear programme. An Israeli official told Reuters on condition of anonymity that Netanyahu’s aides had asked for a meeting when he visits the United Nations this month and “the White House has got back to us and said it appears a meeting is not possible. It said that the president’s schedule will not permit that.” Netanyahu has met Obama on all but one of his U.S. trips since 2009. The president was on a foreign visit when the prime minister came to the United States in November 2010. He argues that setting a clear boundary for Iran’s uranium enrichment activities and imposing stronger economic sanctions could deter Tehran from developing nuclear weapons and mitigate the need for military action. This news comes at a time of what seems to be increased public tension between the Obama White House and Netanyahu, including what was reportedly a very tense meeting between Netanyahu, the U.S. Ambassador to Israel, and several Congressmen along with several public comments by the Israeli Prime Minister expressing what seems to be his frustration at American unwillingness to act more forcefully against Iran with regard to its nuclear program. For it’s part, the White House is denying that there is any snub of Netanyahu going on, blaming the inability to meet on the fact that the two men’s schedules are simply not compatible during the time the Prime Minister will be in the U.S.: “The President arrives in New York for the UN on Monday, September 24th and departs on Tuesday, September 25th. The Prime Minister doesn’t arrive in New York until later in the week. They’re simply not in the city at the same time. But the President and PM are in frequent contact and the PM will meet with other senior officials, including Secretary Clinton, during his visit,” National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said in a written statement. In all honestly, I’m not buying it. Yes the President of the United States is a busy man but his schedule is always subject to change and if there was really a belief that a meeting with the Prime Minister of Israel was necessary, then room could be made in the schedule somewhere. So it seems to me like there’s something going on here. The reports of the meeting with the Ambassador in Jerusalem would seem to indicated that Netanyahu is pressing Washington to put more definite pressure on Iran immediately and, indeed, today he made comments that seem to pretty much confirm that: Earlier on Tuesday, Netanyahu launched an unprecedented verbal attack on the U.S. government over its stance on the Iranian nuclear program. “The world tells Israel ‘wait, there’s still time’. And I say, ‘Wait for what? Wait until when?’ Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don’t have a moral right to place a red light before Israel,” Netanyahu told reporters on Tuesday. “Now if Iran knows that there is no red line. If Iran knows that there is no deadline, what will it do? Exactly what it’s doing. It’s continuing, without any interference, towards obtaining nuclear weapons capability and from there, nuclear bombs,” he said. U.S. Department of State spokeswoman Victoria Nuland stressed again on Tuesday that the U.S. administration doesn’t see public discussion of Iranian nuclear program and red lines as useful. “We don’t think it’s particularly useful to have those conversations in public. It doesn’t help the process and it doesn’t help the integrity of the diplomacy. To be standing here at the podium parsing the details of the Iranian nuclear program is not helpful to getting where we want to go,” she said, briefing the media. The other point, of course, is that setting down a red line in public essentially means that the President would lock the United States into taking military action at the point it appeared those red lines had been crossed. In that regard, it strikes me as generally unwise to do something like that unless you’ve already made the decision to go to war. For example, with President George H.W. Bush gave Saddam Hussein a deadline by which his forces must be out of Kuwait in advance of Operation Desert Storm, he did so largely knowing that Saddam would not comply and that war would come once the deadline passed, which is exactly what happened. For many reasons, including the one’s I discussed yesterday, it would be unwise for the United States to lock itself into such a course of action vis a vis Iran at this point in time. There’s always the possibility, of course, that something I speculated about months ago could actually be true. It could be possible that all of this U.S.-Israeli “tension” is a PR show for the benefit of the Iranians, although if that was the case I’m not entirely sure what the end game would be other than, perhaps, a scenario where we basically tell the Iranians that they need to start complying with demands regarding their nuclear program, otherwise we aren’t going to be able to hold the Israelis back any longer. If that’s not the case, if this is all for real, then it certainly does seem that the relationship between the United States and Israel is worse than it has been for quite some time. Allahpundit, meanwhile, wonders about the domestic politics of all of this: It strikes me as very uncharacteristic of Obama, whose top priority is always his own reelection, to deny Bibi a courtesy visit with an election just six weeks away, unless maybe O’s suddenly convinced that Israel really is going to attack in October. In that case, Obama’s calculus might shift: His top priority would be to prevent the U.S. from getting dragged into a war with Iran, which might involve attacks on U.S. bases in the region, skyrocketing oil prices, and lord knows what else. The political consequences of something that volatile would be hard to predict, so here he is signaling to the world that if Israel makes a move, they’re making it on their own. I’m … not too sure that’s going to convince the Iranians, but it might get enough attention among Israelis to turn up the domestic pressure on Netanyahu not to attack alone. They’re O’s real target audience here, I think. Surely he’s doing himself no favors electorally at home with a snub this prominent so late in the game. I’ve got no doubt that Mitt Romney and other Republicans will pick up on this story as another sign of what they claim to be, rather falsely, Obama’s disregard for an ally, and such rhetoric will play very will with the Evangelical base of the GOP for whom obsessive support of whatever it is the Likud Party and its allies on the right side of Israeli politics want to do. I’m not so sure, though, that it’s going to have any real impact on the race itself. Despite Republican dreams, there’s little chance that the Jewish vote is going to be any less reliably Democratic than it has been for decades. Moreover, I’ve never seen any indication that this type of argument is likely to have much of an impact on independent and swing state voters who have indicated repeatedly that their top concerns in this election all revolve around the economy. Are any of those people really going to base their vote on the fact that the President didn’t meet with the Prime Minister of Israel? I don’t see it happening. I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes here, so I’m not going to say which side is right or wrong here. For one thing, it’s possible that neither of them are right, or that neither of them are wrong . Based on my observation, though, it does seem that Netanyahu has been beating the drums for war quite loudly in recent weeks. Whether this is a bluster or a reflection of the fact that Israel is close to a decision that could result in a unilateral attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities is something only he knows himself. Based on this news, though, I think its pretty clear we can expect more strident rhetoric from the Israelis. Whether it amounts to anything is something we’ll just have to wait and see.

Obama will not receive Netanyahu in US SHARE BOOKMARKPRINTEMAILRATING PHOTO | GALI TIBBON | POOL Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gestures speaks during a joint press conference with his Bulgarian counterpart Boyko Borisov (not seen) in Jerusalem on September 11, 2012. AFP By AFP Posted Tuesday, September 11 2012 at 23:36 IN SUMMARY The announcement represents a new low in the uneasy relationship between the two leaders In an attempt to lower the tensions between the sides, Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak said later in the day that the "differences" between the US and Israel must be clarified "with openness, but in closed forums." Israel, the Middle East's sole, if undeclared, nuclear power, says a nuclear Iran would constitute an existential threat for the Jewish state and has refused to rule out a military strike to prevent it from gaining such a capability JERUSALEM President Barack Obama will not receive Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during his visit to the US later this month, both sides said on Tuesday, amid growing tensions between the allies over Iran's nuclear programme. Netanyahu, who will be attending the United Nations General Assembly in New York, had asked for a meeting with Obama, proposing to travel to Washington for it, an Israeli official told AFP. "So far the response has been that Obama's very tight schedule does not allow such a meeting," the official said. The White House too insisted that it was a matter of scheduling. The announcement, coming shortly after Netanyahu rebuked the US for refusing to set a clear "red line" for Iran to avoid military action, represents a new low in the uneasy relationship between the two leaders. Both Israel and the US suspect Iran is seeking at least the capability to build an atomic bomb but they are at odds over how best to stop that. Over the past week, Netanyahu has repeatedly driven home the need to lay down a "clear red line" for Iran in order to avoid military action. But Obama's administration, which is suggesting there is still time to allow sanctions to take effect, is flatly refusing to do so. On Monday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the US was "not setting deadlines" on Iran, and State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters that "it is not useful to be parsing it, to be setting deadlines one way or the other, red lines." To this Netanyahu retorted: "Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran, don't have a moral right to place a red light before Israel," in a Tuesday meeting with his Bulgarian counterpart Boyko Borisov. In an attempt to lower the tensions between the sides, Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak said later in the day that the "differences" between the US and Israel must be clarified "with openness, but in closed forums." "We must not forget that the US is Israel's main ally," Barak said in a private forum. "We must also remember the significance of our partnership with America and do everything possible not to harm this." Israel, the Middle East's sole, if undeclared, nuclear power, says a nuclear Iran would constitute an existential threat for the Jewish state and has refused to rule out a military strike to prevent it from gaining such a capability. It is portraying Iran as on the verge of securing nuclear weapons and warned US officials of the imminence of a stage in which it would be too late to carry out bombing raids to derail Tehran's programme. But the US is confident it would have sufficient time to prevent such a scenario, as articulated by Defence Secretary Leon Panetta in a television interview Tuesday. The Pentagon chief told "CBS This Morning" that it would take Iran some time to construct a nuclear device once the Tehran leadership chose to go ahead. "It's going to take them a while once they make the decision to do it," he said.