Che -Guevara;909315 wrote: Somalis are all dissatisfied. Wouldn't you be Che hadaa lugu yidha sportka kama qeyb gali kartid reminds me of apartheid in south Africa

in the mean time Somaliland controls 90% of Somaliland territory and there is no threat coming from Somalia, i am not sure about high profile SL politicians in the south if you consider fawziya high profile she never held a position in Somaliland not in 21 years. The only thing about her is she was a very known person in Somaliland and comes from one of the aristocratic SL families. But nothing will change on Somaliland and Somalia only the talks can change a few things. Somalia and Somaliland can work together some good deals. if both sides are open and sincere. Somalia hasn't change politically and domestically the only thing they gained with the trip to Washington is official relations state to state relations but that wont change the fact that Somalia still needs 17.000 AU troops in Somalia and that it still doesn't function as a normal state, that it still doesn't have the organs and institutions that the people of Somalia need. Somalia is making progress diplomatically but only the people of Somalia and its politicians can change Somalia internally and that's where the problem lies.

Carafaat what do you think of a union between SL djibouti and Eritrea. That means also the Afars will be united the people of seylac lughaye and gabiley and borama who both live in SL and Djibouti will be united. And i always liked a beautiful beja woman from the lowlands of Eritrea.

Mooge;909607 wrote: here comes mujahid Faroole. the wave is coming. the giant is ready to have coffee. i told you ha sugiwaayina. FAROOLE wali ma hadlin qurba joogti ba hadashay faroole wanu sugayna ninkaas marku micrifoonka qabsadu u know whats coming walahi with out faroole Somalia politics is no fun.

Alpha Blondy;909579 wrote: Abwaan, the notion of the former Somali Republic being unified once more is wishful thinking. whether Somaliland decides to go its own way or to reunite with its southern neighbouring country CANNOT be decided by Somalia. the fate of Somaliland remains firmly within its own hands. the great strides made by the Somaliland people and Government over the last 21 years is a reflection of Somaliland taking control of its affairs.these efforts have been wholly achieved by Somaliland and its efforts ALONE and without outside influence, assistance and politics of paternalism that's ravaged Somalia's collective mindset and that of its people. certainty, Somalia, as thought, a victim of outside manipulation, has to all intent and purposes developed a pitiful self-induced mindset. help us! its always one thing or another. there is always an outside enemy, some evil doer intent on destruction but NEVER the admission of fault, of poor governance, off internal division, off poor leaders, off willful negligent, off tribal warfare, off opportunism, off misfortune and so and so forth. Abwaan take this even dhaliyardi ingriiska ku koray baa Somaliland ku sheegaya dhankay u socotto, you will be dealing with these people for the decades to come

Abwaan;909578 wrote: No wishes here, it is the reality XX. La qabso runta oo warka riyada jooji oday. Abwaan not in this world Somaliland will never ever be ruled by others i know that you know that ilaah ba og, its better we all move on:D laakin waad ku riyoon karta Somaliland inay ku hoos timado kuma diidayo , laakin siday tahay waxyalahasi ma shaqeyaan. Walaaltinimada Somaliland iyo Somalia yaan la kala fogeyn.

Abwaan if wishes were horses:D

Oodweyne;909562 wrote: This is what is known in certain quarters a trail balloon send up to see whether the public could be conditions to accept a diminished outcome from the said talks with somalia. In other words, you do this sort of stuff in advance of a likely concession you know you will have to make in the negotiation table. All in all, it is non-starter for Somaliland, despite whatever the some elites connected to the current government may whisper to the ears of a passing journalist. But we shall see. The guy is talking about a confederacy state system it would make sense if it gives Somaliland an exit way out with UN supervised referendum or something in that direction but a lose union with Somalia means Kulmiye co failed to deliver. is a No go zone Siilaanyo and kulmiye know this will only cause troubles in Somaliland and create unrest so they need to come with ictraaf from Somalia or a way to get ictraaf. Just like in the 50s when the SL delegation said we went to England and people asked do you guys have the hawd an reserve area and they said no but we have independency. Well today they have to come we have recognition or we have recognition in 4 years. Other than that is big time F.

Che -Guevara;909560 wrote: Alpha, for all we know, you are Tahir. lol@XX, nagadaa dee. Somaliland keeps together. I guess you have not paying the last decades. The South is busy with itself, no time for anything else. You had 22 yrs to secure independence while the South was killing each other. Well no country in Africa got recognized only if they negotiated with the country they are seceding from except for western sahara , but western sahara has limited recognition and hardly no control of its territory. But both Eritrea and south sudan worked it out with the former country they were in union with. So Somaliland is not an exception but Somaliland has territorial control which is the most important part the legal dejure recognition needs to be sorted out with these talks or with out. But i am sure Somalilanders will not give up on having a home land of their own the struggle continues. If the Kurds are fighting to be free from turkey a NATO power i am sure Somalilanders have it really easy lol

Any union with Somalia is for Somaliland a defeat means everything Somalilanders fought for since 1979 goes down the drain literally. And a Somaliland independent state is a defeat for Somalia and they would have to accept that Somaliland is separate, something they cant the only thing that keeps Koonfurians and the only thing they agree on is that Somaliland should not be independent. Its whats keeps them together if Somaliland is gone the whole thing will collapse. So it will be hard one lets see how the talks go

Carafaat;909542 wrote: Waryaa Haatu, what do you have against Cushitism? Carafaat how about we create a stronger union between Somaliland Djibouti and Eritrea and Yemen if the binladens finish the bridge between yemen and Djibouti.

Carafaat Eritreanku wa dad is jecel maha dad isku qabsada Tigrinya ama tigre ama saho afar beja , Gaaladodu iyo muslimkoodu si dad is jecel bay isku duuban yihin.

Carafaat wuxu igu yidhi markan Somali mideeyo dadka isku eeg eeh geeska africa ku nool baan midenaynaya oo ay hal basaboor yeeshan sida yurub hal lacag hal barlamaan iyago dawlado gaar ah, Wana waxa ugu adag geeska Africa waxa ku nool dad is wada diidan.

Haatu marka danbe Carafaat sida cali beysteen bantuga ayuu caws dhabarka ku xidha oo bood booda sidooda he is a Somalilander than a unionist Somaliland and Somalia than he becomes a cushite unionist Ethiopians Eritreans and Northern Sudanese than a pan africanist wa marku ka si booda. Marka danbe wuxu noqda Global Islamist who is waiting for the arrival to join imam mahdis forces from the east to liberate the land of carafaat in Palestine.

Apophis;909508 wrote: A Somali is identified through the Somali language, everything else is transient and changing but anyway, why does one feel the need to pinpoint what is a Somali if not to exclude the non-Somali? It's 18th century thinking. Like the lose Arab identity ?

This building looks good in down town hargeysa they need to construct similar buildings like that maybe larger, its the head quarters of somcable well done.

Gabay can be divided into 4 sections geeraar and maanso afaray Gole ka fuul mostly done in Somaliland and galbeed and guurow&shirib mostly done in Southern Somalia , while buranbur is strictly for woman all over the Somali peninsula.

I also like to hear this style of Gabay its called Guurow

Dhoodaan Somali galbeed garnaqsi Abdi siyaaro Cudud baanu ku gaadhnay Somaliland.

Its true that many poets and song writers are from those regions how ever poetry is not limited there in Somalia there are all sort of styles of poetry and poets all they way down south it just depends on what you prefer.

^^ I cant wait:D Even duke will be awake when that happens and Dr osman will be riding his kings horse with a spear in his hand.

The paradigm has shifted as indicated by Clinton to a permanent, nation to nation, government to government model. This will exclude the so called custodians: IGAD, AU, AMISOM, Ethiopia, Kenya. The Somali government will make its case directly to the US and propose its own agenda free of Mahiga and his ilk. Not true Ethiopia is still US closest ally in Africa after Egypt hence the reason why the US and no other country is forcing Ethiopia to fight under the command of the Amisom. But basically is fighting on a free lance base. Somalia has not the diplomatic muscle to tell AU countries what it wants, ofcourse they have little bit more leverage than before. But on the ground practically it will not help their case, one advantage though is that the US can give Somalia bilateral aid assistance budget aid and try to re open its embassy in Mogadishu to. But the arms embargo is still in effect and Mahigas office is still intact.

If this Foreign policy is going to bear fruit than that's good, if not than there should be another alternative. Somalilad should have adopted such a foreign policy in 1997, When there was a vacuum in Somalia no AU troops, no Shabaab.Cigaal tried to reshape Somalia in a model that is favorable to Somaliland but his efforts were derailed by Cumar geele and the rest we know. Rayaales government was focused on the African union, while we all know the African union is being dictated from Brussels. And we all know how he screwed up by sending twice the same letter to the African union to accept Somaliland statehood. While meles zanawi clearly advised him to send a different letter in where he should have asked the AU to open a debate on the Somaliland case. And Siilaanyo's Foreign policy is more focused on the talks with Somalia and to attract foreign investors lets see where it leads Somaliland.

Stoic Somalia's government might have be given governmental recognition but it means still nothing it needs to win legitimacy in her own country by the citizens of Somalia and the various fiefdoms. Keep in mind there wouldn't be a government with out the state department and the AU troops. The whole talks opened last year was also designed by the international community in order to find a solution for Somalia and Somaliland, the only problem is will it bring solution between Somalia and Somaliland. Somaliland sovereignty is still in tact and it will remain that way despite the clan politics with the recent elections when it comes to Somaliland sovereignty the people of Somaliland form a brick wall and people line behind their government. Somalia has a long way to go built institutions police army restoring its sovereignty from Raskambooni to raas caseer lose the Arms embargo opening up EU and American Canadian embassies in Mogadishu, defeat alshabaab and other islamist groups lose the AU troops hold several democratic elections. Find a solution for Puntland semi autonomous status. Somaliland just needs to work and build a viable economy make sure western and other countries invest in Somaliland maybe even lease the port to UAE. Continue to modernize you're armed forces in that way no one can hurt you.

NGONGE oodweyne has invested to much in Somaliland to wave flags and switch sides like wearing a new nigis every now and then. But tell me NGONGE how many flags are under you're bed:D The thing is Somaliland is not led by politicians its led by its people these people are determined in their cause that they will never be ruled from Mogadishu again. Politicians in Somaliland play a minor role they have not as much power as in Somalia. As for Fawziya i think she just wanted to make her self useful it was basically impossible for her in Somaliland and i am sure she is an ardent Somaliland supporter in her heart. We have seen it with the likes of Sifir who became a member of Cabdilahi Yusufs goverment while being part of Kulmiye before his defection. And now he is the Ambassador for Somaliland in Kenya.