nuune;956196 wrote: ^^ And Godane becomes PM or President of Somalia, why don't you say you want to take Somalia back to how it was few years ago, chaos and fighting. Godane doesn't have to have a seat i dont think political seats is a problem here ,what we want is peace in Somalia and a stronger Somalia. Why are people against peace with alshabaab are they not Somalis?

nuune;956190 wrote: because that facilitates the removal of Madobe, the man you hate, the former buddy of Godane, that is understandable! I dont hate Ahmed madoobe I dont know the fella , just giving the government an idea that it has other options by the way its not just about Jubbaland its about the entire country. Imagine Alshabaab and the SFG coming to a peace agreement that would be historic.

MoonLight1;956191 wrote: Xaaji how many marduufs did you consume today? mar dhow dharka baad tuuri doontaa. shabaab iyo SFG kulahaa. Its not rocket science a big portions of the islamic courts union joined the TFG.

A good way for talks to start is that the government would agree with Shabaab that the government supports the removal of Kenya and Ethiopia the 2 neighbors of Somalia from the country. Alshabaab than has to accept on their turn to be incorporated into the government and the defense forces and denounce violence and homicide attacks.It will be a win win and a compromise because the government wins the support of Shabaab at the same time it can get rid of the Kenyans. While Shabaab can get rid of atleast 50% of the foreign forces in Somalia.

I always believe the government and shabaab should reconcile the turks also tried to bring the 2 closer to each other. But it will be a win for the government if the they make peace with shabaab do you agree?

Nuune Djibouti is a Somali country they have been trying to bring Somalis together its neutral ground you can discuss there your issues with the Somali president. The Ethiopians always have their motives never trust them Kenya is not good because the whole issue is about Kenya. Nuune mise ugaandha.. Nuuune anigu waan tegi laha, laakin anigu hadaan meesha wax ku leeyahay waxan odhan laha shirka dadka qaban qaabinaya wa inay cid nagaga jirta dee hadi kale loooma dhama. Shir aan ogayn cidi ababuushay jin insi , maan iska dhex fadhisan kara?

Alshabaab and the Somali government need to come to an agreement and the Shabaab militants need to put down their weapons and secure the nation with the legitimate president of the country. They still can play a role in the future of Somalia and they should be given a role in the Somali government. But they need to denounce homicide attacks Alqaeda and all that makes Somalia a terrorist nest. Right now the Somali government is in a political conflict with Kenya. Alshabaab have shown they are strong and affective on the ground they even attacked Kenya on their own soil. There is no way the Somali government can agree with Ahmed madoobe a former Shabaab member who believes he is a president of a city, it will be a major win for the government if they make peace with the Shabaab leaders. And incorporate the entire Shabaab forces into the Somali defense forces. Ahmed madoobe will refuse to cooperate with the Somali government and the government should not waste its precious time.Currently the Alshabaab militants controls the middle jubba signification portions of the lower jubba. If the SFG works out some sort of peace deal with the Alshabaab leaders the government can move into those area's Amisom Kenyan forces could be sidelined government forces will fill the vacuum.

Nuune wa runta Axmed madoobe and Axmed godane heshiis bay ahayeen intanu Axmed madoobe Kiiniya raacin. Horta waxan anigu raba muhiim maha waxa muhiim ah waxay dadka halkaas ku nool rabaan oo leader u raban , gaar ahaan dadka ku nool meeshas sida the camellovers the sheikhs the gedo community qolyaha tima adagta. Oo run ahaanti aad u saluugsan mamuulka Axmed madoobe , dawlada Somalia na aad bay uga so horjeeda because shirki kismayo looma dhamayn bay tagaantahya. Marka xalku wu adkanaysa,, axmed madoobe na ma rabu inu dib u dhaco because , magaca sharciyan u sito bay wax u dhimaysa.. Djibouti would be great to meet, or do you trust the Ethiopians more than the Somali Djiboutians? Bal weynu eegi halkay ka degto dhibaatada imika waxa wada kenya oo diidaya inay ka amar qataan dawlada Somalia.

Mario i understand Abtigiis comment but he is attached to the Somali name as a Somali man. He says he not necessarily attached to Somalia.But to the Somali identity. He might feel that he has to give something back to the Somali republic. Because the Somali republic went twice to war to liberate his beloved dhagaxbuur which resulted to the bankruptcy of the Somali state. Now that's abtigiis he believes he is no Somali Ethiopian and is still fighting for independence. But his Kin in Kenya consider themselves Somali Kenyans and their allegiances is with Kenya not Somalia so they will always side with Kenya against Somalia. Thats the difference,Abtigiis is a rebel to the Ethiopian state while his Kin in Kenya accepted to be Kenyans and they are now causing problems for the Somali government.

Nuune what does it matter it was written yesterday or today it was posted on Hiiraan news today. Nuune why dont you talk about the article its self instead of the date iyo wax aan lo joogin.

Xiinfaniin anigu cidna ma habaaro , nin ilaahay ka cabsadan ahay oo foodu madoobatay sidan salaad u tukanayey. Anigu waxan sheegaya uun XIinfaniinow Dawlada Somalia qaabkay wax u wado, iyo siday hada wax u yalaan. Iyo sharciyada ay dawlada Somalia leedahay hada. Anigu mamuulka budhcadbadeedka waligay ma habaarin. Mamuulka hada la dho dhoobay anigu kama so horjeeda eeh kismayo laga dhisayo wax aan uga so horjeeda ma hayo. Laakin cida ka so horjeeda wa dawlada Somalia oo raba inay mamuulka dawlada ku fidiiyaan deeganadaas. Nuune Axmed madoobe safarkisi nairobi dib bu u dhigay ninka ku magac dheer Uhurro kenyatta ba yidhi iga joog waryeee xalaada ayaan wanaagsayn sabab madaxweynaha Somalia ayaa ad u dhalaceeyey dawlada kenya iyo qaabkay u dhaqmayso , wa sababta safarka Axmed madoobe ku tegi laha nairobi u baaqday. Laakin wu tagayey. Hada iGAD waxay tidhi axmed madoobe xamar ha tago oo ha la so heshhiyo madaxwyenihisa Bal taasaynu sugayna..

Mario Abtigis growing up with Amhara neftegnas, maybe changed the way he views Ethiopians. But his Kin who grew up with the Kikuyu's will support the Kenyans against the Somali HAG.

Jubland: Kenya suffers major setback over new State Jubaland President Ahmed Mohamed Islam © VP Abdullahi Ismail Faraag ® and Abdi Gani Jama addressing the media. [Photo: Mbugua Kibera/Standard] Tuesday, May 28, 2013 Jubaland: Kenya’s hope to have a staunch ally rule regions bordering its northern territories has suffered a setback. This was after the Intergovernmental Authority on Development (Igad) decided to back the position of Somalia’s government that vehemently opposes the newly formed Jubalandadministration. The move was however, swiftly rejected by the new administration in Kismayo, terming any effort to re-start the process “unacceptable,” and threatening to cut ties with Mogadishu if it fails to recognise the Kismayo-based administration. Hundreds of people took to the streets of Kismayo on Sunday to protest what they say is interference in their affairs from Mogadishu and to express support for the Jubaland State, said Abdinasir Serar, spokesman for the Jubaland State administration. Igad urged Mogadishu to “timely convene and lead reconciliation conferences” to chart out a way to set up an interim administration in regions recently liberated by Kenyan and allied forces. Friday’s decision was reached after the bloc received a report from a confidence building team it sent last week to Mogadishu and Kismayo to sound out the various stakeholders on Jubaland State formation. New president Clan delegations elected Ahmed Mohamed Islam, best known as Ahmed Madobe, as the President of the regional State of Jubaland on May 15, a development that spurred other individuals, most notably warlord Barre Aden Shire, to also claim the leadership. Kenya Defence Forces Spokesman Cyrus Oguna said the security situation remained bullish. “I cannot predict what may happen. But I’m optimistic the stabilisation process will go on and eventually we will have peace in Kismayo and Jubaland region and the entire Somalia,” he told The Standard. In its statement, Igad said: “The Federal Government of Somalia should timely convene and lead reconciliation conference with the support of Igad while consulting key stakeholders in Juba with a view to chart out a road map on the establishment of interim administration and formation of a permanent regional administration in accordance with the provisional constitution with Igad playing a supporting role.” Igad expressed its concern over the security situation in Kismayo, urging all parties to focus their fight on Al Shabaab and avoid any actions that may threaten peace and stability in the region. Igad’s decision is a setback for both Kenya’s and Ethiopia’s push for an administration that is not hostile to their respective interests. However, it is at the same time too early to say it is a definite victory for the Somali government as many locals in Juba oppose government’s efforts to name someone from Mogadishu. Analysts believe the real test will now be how to reconcile Mogadishu’s bottom-up process with the top-down approach buttressed by Jubaland State advocates. Kenya criticised “It is good news for the government,” said Abdi Farah Dirie, a professor of economics and management at Mogadishu University. “The Jubaland issue was not always a legal problem, but a political problem,” said Dirie. Somalia’s President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud’s speech to Igad’s heads of state on Friday in Addis Ababa, indirectly criticised the Kenya Defence Forces for mistreating a delegation sent by the Somalia government to Kismayo. “We recently sent a committee from the Cabinet and Parliament to Kismayo on May 15, to initiate dialogue with local stakeholders. However, contingents of Amisom soldiers in the area mistreated the committee,” he said. Col Oguna said he could not comment on the allegation since the President did not elaborate on the way committee members were treated. President Mohamud said his government was “ready and committed” to holding a genuine reconciliation conference for key stakeholders in the Jubba” in order to devise program and plans to establish interim administrations. “I regret to inform you that Kismayo process unilaterally made declarations which created a dispute of the outcome and insecurity in Kismayo. Our people cannot afford another conflict,” said Mohamud in his speech. Oguna said Igad’s decision was based on its desire to have peace prevail in Jubaland. “I can’t speak for them but I can imagine whatever they decide will be in the best interest of the region as far as peace is concerned,” he said. Although Oguna said last week that Ahmed Madobe’s election was “worth applauding,” he refuted on Saturday, claims that Kenya supports anyone for the leadership of Kismayo, saying the Kenyan Defence Forces are non-partisan, impartial and neutral. Report recommendations Igad’s Executive Secretary, Mahboub Maalim, led a delegation composed of ambassadors from member states to Mogadishu and Kismayo with the aim of assessing the security situation in Kismayu and submitting a report to the bloc’s summit on the sidelines of the AU summit in Addis Ababa. The team’s mission on May 16-19, focused on five points: Whether or not Jubaland’s process was inclusive; whether or not the process was accomplished in such a way that it helps the joint effort to combat Al-Shabaab; whether or not IGAD was playing a supportive role; whether or not the process was led by the Federal Government of Somalia; whether or not the process was being done in the spirit of the provisional constitution of the Federal Government of Somalia. In Mogadishu, the team met President Mohamud, Prime Minister Abdi Farah Shirdon “Saaid” and other government officials, including the Minister for Interior and National Security as well as the Justice and Federal Constitution minister. It also met with clan elders, civil society and officials from AU peacekeepers in the capital. According to a copy of the 6-page report seen by The Standard, Somalia’s government insisted the process in Kismayu was “not done in the spirit of the constitution,” that its role was “missing” and that the process’s inclusiveness was “questionable.” In Kismayo, it also met with commanders from the African Union mission in Somalia (sector II), the newly elected president of the region, Ahmed Mohamed Islam, and other individuals who declared themselves president of the Jubaland State - Barre Hiirale, Abdiballe Defale, Omar Burale, Iftin Hassan. It also met with clan elders, civil society groups, the business community, commanders of both Somali National Army and Ras Kamboni Brigade as well as a delegation of the federal government in Kismayo. Ahmed Madobe and his team as well as signatories and Jubaland technical committee argued that the process was “in line” with the constitution, that it was “inclusive” and, contrary to government claims, “significantly contributed in the fight against Al Shabab.” But rivals of Ahmed Madobe in Kismayo have echoed government’s position, according to the report. The team recommended that Somalia “expedite enactment of the necessary laws that govern the establishment of regional administration.” “The Federal Government and various stakeholders in Kismayo are in agreement on the need to follow the provisional constitution in the establishment of the regional administration,” said the team in its report. However, the ambassadorial team observed that there is a difference in interpretation of the provisional constitution between the Federal Government and various stakeholders in Kismayo. Amisom Sector II The team said it found “the inclusivity of the Kismayo process contestable, especially among the minority,” recommending that Somalia’s government should “timely convene and lead a reconciliation conference with support of Igad while consulting key Stakeholders in Kismayu.” In the interim though, it called upon stakeholders in Kismayo “to go to Mogadishu and dialogue with the Federal Government regarding the interim regional administration.” “There is no turning back. A president has been elected and we now expect to form Parliament and to continue the process. To start it a fresh is unacceptable,” said Serar. “We urge the government to respect the wishes of the people inJubaland. But if it fails to recognise us we will not cooperate with the government.” “In principle, all have agreed the government needs to take leadership of the process,” said the report. “The Federal government and stakeholders in Kismayo however, have expressed strong reasons and explanations as to why the process was not led by the government.” The team observed that all stakeholders in Kismayo and Mogadishu accept Igad’s role. It called on Igad’s secretariat “to provide technical support to the federal government as and when requested” and that the bloc also “expedites support to the Federal Government in its priorities including the formation of a regional Administration.” The Kenya Defence Forces or the Amisom Sector II, “should be provided with a political support unit to help in dealing with the political aspect of the disputes in Kismayu and to facilitate co-operation between the sector and the Somalia Federal Government,” the report says. Source: Standard Digital

Long live robert mugabe nin rag ah dheh.

He is not stating something new he just said that the 2 sides endorsed the IGAD communique. The Kenyans are still taking sides in this disagreement between the Somali government and Ahmed madoobe's claim to presidency.for that region. Xoosh is a Parliamentarian and is playing a mediating role in this but the bigger issue is that the President has called out Kenya. The Somali Ministerial delegation in Kismayo we all know how they were treated at the airport. By the way the man at the end is making threats and he is willing to go to war.I wonder if he would say the same if there were no Kenyans there. Xiinfaniin the President has spoken today and he represents the people of Somalia and the government of Somalia. And he is not happy with the Kenyans. What do you have to say about that.

Xiinfaniin this is a bit more complicated than that , we have Amisom forces in Somalia from Kenya who refuse to cooperate with the legitimate Somali government. Ahmed madoobe is irrelevant in this because the SFG does not view him as a person who should be in charge in Kismayo. But he is being empowered by the Kenyan troops int he lower jubba. The Kenyans are no political leaders in Somalia and Hassan needs to step up to them and set them straight.

Malistar i don't see that happening Hassan is to weak on the Kenyans he needs to speak up against the Kenyans that their role as Amisom peace keeping force should be in line with the vision of his government. As long as he doesn't address that issue the Kenyans will walk all over him. Right now the 5000 Amisom Kenyan forces are protecting and guarding the port the airport of Kismayo side by side with Ahmed madoobes raskambooni troops. What if Ahmed madoobe goes to Mogadishu and the 2 disagree and he returns back to Kismayo and the Kenyans continue to misbehave than what? Hassan needs to call out uhurro Kenyatta and tell him this is Somalia and he is the leader of Somalia.

Xiinfaniin what you are forgetting is that the the SFG does not recognize the process in Kismayo about forming a state. They have repeatedly said that they will not support such a conference nor will they respect the outcome. SFG is in line with IGAD, and it wants Ahmed madoobe to go to Mogadishu and come to a compromise with the SFG. IGAD role in Somalia is vital because IGAD countries are protecting this SFG with the blessings of the bigger powers. The SFG has no problem with IGAD and its willing to invite Ahmed madoobe and the rest of the Jubbaland admin to Mogadishu but it will not recognize a Jubbaland entity. The SFG has a problem with one IGAD member Kenya and her role in this process.

The SFG wants the Kenyans out because its restricting them operating in Kismayo, the Mogadishu govt believes she is responsible for the country and it should be the SFG that should take the lead in forming states in Somalia. Kenya is supporting the Jubbaland admin and is cooperating with the Ahmed madoobe. They might not have directly sided with Ahmed madoobe but they are doing it indirectly. But the thing is the Ugandans have no issue with Jubbaland they stay away from these affairs.But this is zerosum political game that is being played out inside the parliament. But Xiinfaniin keep in mind the Jubbalanders are a minority in the Parliament there is no way they can enforce from a legal point of view. The motion of hassan sheikh will most likely be passed i have said it the first day hassan became the president he wants to create an entity from galkacyo and to the Kenyan border and than later establish federal states.

Xiinfaniin but lets be honest both hassan and Jubbaland put to much weight on the IGAD communique both of you were hoping it would favor your political stance regarding the Jubbaland state formation. Xiinfaniin believe the Somali officials will be released, this will be seen by the SFG as an attempt by the Kenyans that the Kenyans are restricting the works the SFG wants to deliver in Port town of Kismayo

Kaftan aside these were strong words coming from faroole regarding the constitution and where he feels Somalia is heading. His full support for Madoobe is a game changer it means that the SFG and Puntland are not on one line. He believes the constitution was changed and the 2 sides are not talking about the same type of federalism. Lets now see what happens next and how hassan organized the reconciliation conference in Mogadishu he invited so far reer Jubbaland , not a jubbaland entity.

i thought inay wasiiradi wali ku xanibayihin madaarka , mala so daayey

Somaliland iyadu iska ba tagtay eh:D

Tensions are rising between the 2 countries again the agreement signed in addis ababa few months ago is about to be thrown in the bin. Bashiir is feeling that he is losing grip. South Sudan is becoming to strong and they are heavily involved what is going on southern kordofan.

Sudan's Bashir threatens to cut oil flow from S Sudan Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir President Bashir spoke after the army recaptured a town seized by rebels in oil-rich South Kordofan Continue reading the main story Sudan: Coping with divorce Fear stalks South Sudan No reason to party A year in pictures Pictures of a nurse's life Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir has threatened to close "forever" an oil pipeline that carries oil from South Sudan to Sudan's Red Sea coast. He said on Monday that Sudan will stop the flow of oil if South Sudan supports rebels operating on Sudanese soil, speaking on state TV. The Sudanese army is fighting a rebel insurgency in at least three regions. Despite the South's independence in 2011, tensions over oil and land disputes have continued. "I now give our brothers in South Sudan a last, last warning that we will shut down the oil pipeline forever if they give any support to the traitors in Darfur, South Kordofan and Blue Nile," President Bashir said on state television, referring to rebels operating in these regions. An umbrella rebel group called the Sudan Revolutionary Front (SRF) has launched attacks on several towns, briefly occupying the major city of Um Rawaba in central Sudan in April. The group, which hopes to topple President Bashir's government, withdrew from Um Rawaba, but held onto the town of Abu Kershola, in the neighbouring oil-rich region of South Kordofan. SPLM-North rebels joined the Darfuri rebel groups, Jem and two main factions of the Sudan Liberation Army (SLA), to form the Sudan Revolutionary Front last year. President Bashir delivered his speech live on Sudanese state TV following the army's announcement that it had recaptured Abu Kershola from the rebels. "Thank God, Abu Kershola has been liberated," Defence Minister Abdelrahim Mohamed Hussein said, quoted on state TV. Meanwhile, a spokesman for the rebels told AFP news agency that the fighters withdrew from Abu Kershola to ease a government blockade on its residents. Oil disputes Relations between the two countries have been fraught since 2011, when the South became independent after decades of civil war. Key issues related to oil production, territorial disputes and border demarcation remain unresolved. South Sudan took with it nearly three-quarters of Sudan's oil production when it declared independence. The two sides fell out over how much the South should pay to export its oil through Sudanese pipelines. At the height of the dispute last year, the South shut down its entire oil output, badly hitting both struggling economies. Oil started flowing again last month after both sides struck a deal in the Ethiopian capital, Addis Ababa, in March, helping to ease tensions. They also agreed to withdraw troops from their border area. However, the latest violence has put further strain on relations. President Bashir warned on Monday that "failure to abide by any agreement will nullify the nine accords" agreed in March.