Nope according to the Somaliand constitution those in ethiopia what ever clan they are, cannot be Somalilanders.Where do you get that from, SL constitution says nothing about Djiboutian nationals or ethiopian nationals if they can be Somalilanders.

Yeah sure there is corruption no one is denying that but the argument is that the politicians are not the one in mistake the system in the horn Somali peninsula is rotten. The reason why so much went to reoccurring costs is because Somaliland has allot of civil servants the army they recently doubled the salaries of the defense forces. Not because there is to much corruption or they steal 95% of the money. Somaliland also does not receive Budget aid support from the international community. But we cannot deny corruption its every where and there are enormous shortcomings. But the point is we can only hope for better leadership to replace the current one. But the essential problem which is the division between the politicians and the communities is not their fault. For example would u allow Puntland or Somaliland to manage the resources of Khatumo would the khatumites support this i dont think so this is the main problem.

Yeah sure why not Muhamad abdullah hassan was born in Somaliland he is technically a Somalilander.

The divisions already existed prior to the civil war even before independence even before colonialism, the politicians are a reflection of the people.We cannot all blame it on the politicians. Who is going to manage the resources of the country who will rule what part who will distribute the wealth of the country. The Politicians are there to make sure that their region community or clan or sub clan isn't cheated. If Somalis had common interests they would not allow the so called politicians represent them. Somalis have learned from the previous regime particularly from the Siad bare regime. If on community takes control the others will be followers and will eat the left overs. And they will use the state resources to enrich themselves. Things are not as black and white as you depict them, the divisions are there for a reason.

Garmaqaate these people are ethnic Somalilandish people not persay Somaliland nationals the same way some one from Bookh of the Garaad clan is also an Ethnic Somalilandish person. But not persay a Somaliland national.

Somali politicians are fighting for the interests of their people some how Faroole cannot afford that the Mogadishu community changes the federalism accord so he has to speak up. For as he believes the only thing that bonds Puntland to Mogadishu is the federal constitution. He cannot support Mogadishu if they misbehave this is his point of view and his constituency supports him in this. The same with Ahmed madoobe he has to uphold the legal framework that elected him as president the Jubbaland elder assembly, if he chooses another path he will lose support from his people. The same with Axmed Godane he must uphold the Alshabaab political islamists principles he cannot give into the demands of the other Somali leaders or even that of the international community or else his group will collapse. The same with Hassan sheikh he has a powerful constituency fragile community his own background will stop supporting him if he deviates from the powerful stake holders path of Mogadishu and south central Somalia. Now will they get rich down the line sure but that's not the only thing they also need to remain in power, and they will do everything to achieve that and their communities support them because they give them protection honer and respect and a future in the eyes of the mainstream Somalis. This is not simply just about money, but there are other major factors that play a role.

Suldaanka what we need is a strong Parliament but there is no Parliament at the moment the Guurti seems to be very pro the goverment the same with he house of the representatives. Somaliland needs to hold parliament elections as soon as possible. I believe that is the way forward.

^^ The people who hail from Somaliland.

Do Somalilanders support the consultation council, who appointed them, are we not a democracy what does the constitution say about this Debate

Tallaabo ukrainiansku wa walalaheen ha inaga fogeyn adeer.

Cambulo muungaab is another unuka, these unuka's want to be Mogadishu mayors for how long?

When i read the thread first i thought first Mugaabe oo loo magacaabyo mayor of Mogadishu wabaan yaabay show wa Muungaab.

They do want to stay why not the European union pays them a good salary , especially Kenya has it real good, they are getting paid , to protect their country from inside Somalia. The average Somali soldier earns a salary of 100 dollars the average amison soldiers earns 10 times as much.

Carafaat i dont think so, they are possibly HAG members the man run for the president in 2012 Lol@ Anwar u are a friend of Somaliland.

Ilo wareedyo muhiim ayaa u xaqiijiyay Thats where i stopped reading they always do that when they start speculating with rumors and stuff. Ilo wareediyo oo u dhuun daloola madaxtooyada ayaa xaqiijiyey bla bla bla. Come with real news saaxib

Nope there will be no cooperation with the garowe clan enclave there is no need even, other than they sit on their side of the border and Somaliland sit on their side of the border. Somaliland government believes it only has to deal with the legitimate goverment of Somalia based in Mogadishu not with clan states, if that is the case than SL should also talk with galmudug ximan iyo xeeb waax iyo waadi Jubbaland and others. Have u ever even heard Somaliland mentioning the garowe clan enclave they dont only when there is a border conflict. This is how it is if Somaliland has a good relationship with Mogadishu than that is good for both of the people. And they can work together this is the way forward. Working with the garowe clan enclave doesnt benefit Somaliland in any way or form, Khatumo is 100 times much more important to Somaliland government than the garowe clan enclave.

i never said anything about hatred, and no one is afraid of the puntlanders, but the 2 have little to do with each other Somaliland, they dont have shared political values with your people. Culusow is not a bad man in my book he is trying his best to revive Somalia. But allot of people are working against him, Jubbaland the garowe boys alshabaab other clanist people. Culusow can be a good partner of Somaliland in the near future and we wish to cooperate with him on some key' issues. Which will Benefit both of our countries.

Tallaabo;971906 wrote: Wow there are on going talks between Puntland and Somaliland!! This is a step in the right direction. Thats just nonsense there is no talks between Somaliland and the garowe clan enclave , what is there 2 talk about , Somaliland only talks tot he legitimate goverment in Mogadishu.

Nuune si fiican u eeg Afro hashimite wa afro hashimite Afrikanka na wax wanu isu nahay xaga dhinaca kale , ma garanayo sidan kugu sheego mala fahanka kugu yar, anagu carabta oo dhan waxba isu ma nihin qeyb uun banu isu ahayn laakin inkasto hashimin la yahay carabti leventka iyo qurumaha kale wax ba isku ma nihin marka termka carab inad istcmaashid maha.. Walalaha afrikanka na ha didiin.

kawa kale wa united UAE Kenya Ghana Senegal Rwanda , walalaha afrika weye oo anu nahay dad saaxib oo oo meel walba wax iskaga ah.

How can we do that when faroole keeps mentioning us lol. But faroole wa ka taala beryahan dastuurki ba la badalay bu ku haya cid la hadlayas na ma jirto:D

I dont care much about East timor iyo waxyalahaas ama kosovans but we wish the kosovo people all the best luck with their new country. Fiij wabaan tegey wa meel qurux badan beach qurux badan leh. Dad xun maha. But they are not close to the Afro hashimites The allies and friends of the Afro hashimites are Ukrainians the south Sudanese Kuwait the French, iyo qaar kalo badan.

The question is when did Faroole actually cooperate with the goverment in Mogadishu for over a year he has been crying the constitution had been changed why dont he visits Mogadishu, and adress the parliament ,he has not visited his capital. President hassan should ignore faroole altogether and just focus on the southern part of Somalia.

Its not just for British but also Danish Swedish but you picked British i have no problem with the British lads.. What do you mean by our people since when are you included to the people people. By the British are not Foreigners well they are foreigners but there are many British MPS and interests groups who are close to the people of Somaliland. The same with our Ukrainian brothers and sisters.

Somalia: Puntland ‘suspends cooperation’ with Federal Government in Mogadishu 2 Aug 2, 2013 - 2:52:11 PM GAROWE, Somalia Aug. 2, 2013 (Garowe Online) - Puntland government in northern Somalia has suspended cooperation with the Somali Federal Government in Mogadishu until the country’s constitution is restored, Garowe Online reports. Puntland President Abdirahman Farole speaks at State House in Garowe, Aug. 1, 2013 President Farole gave the keynote address on Thursday evening at a celebratory event held at Puntland State House in Garowe marking 15 years since Puntland’s statehood was founded in 1998. President Farole said that Puntland was founded in 1998 to establish law and order in the territory and to help establish a federal system of government for Somalia. “If Puntland had existed as it does today in 1991 when Mogadishu collapsed, then Puntland would not have collapsed. This is among the benefits of federalism,” President Farole said. The Puntland leader spoke at length about the process to establish the Federal Government in Mogadishu, noting the sacrifices of life and limb made to ensure that Somalia had a functioning national government. 'Tampered constitution' “However, the federal constitution is the fundamental thing that keeps Somalia together. Without the constitution, Puntland is not married to Mogadishu; Puntland is only married to its state constitution,” President Farole declared, to the crowd’s applause. He criticized the Federal Government for failing to print new Somali Shilling currency and to help Somali markets recover, despite Puntland’s repeated appeals and the March 11 agreement signed in Garowe between President Farole and Somali Prime Minister Abdi Farah Shirdon. President Farole condemned Somali federal officials for preventing Sudanese scholarships for Puntland students, saying: “Do they [Federal Government] expect us to travel to Mogadishu so Sudanese scholarships can be distributed? What era are we in? Who do they think we are?” he asked to the crowd’s applause. “Puntland educational certificates do not require Mogadishu’s stamp of approval. If anything, Puntland should approve Mogadishu’s educational certificates, because Puntland has a unified curriculum, functioning institutions, standardized examinations, and an educational policy,” said President Farole. Continuing, he said: “Puntland will suspend all cooperation and relations with Somali Federal Government until the country’s genuine federal constitution is restored. Puntland does not recognize the tampered constitution the Federal Government now uses and Puntland does not recognize any law passed by Federal Parliament using the tampered constitution. Puntland considers the tampered constitution as Mogadishu regional government's constitution, not Somalia's federal constitution.” New Deal Conference President Farole declared that Puntland “will attend the New Deal conference in Brussels in September only with its own name, status and will speak on its own behalf. No entity will represent Puntland except Puntland government,” he added. The Puntland leader said that he informed the European Union delegation that visited Garowe on July 25 that Puntland will attend the New Deal conference with its own status, or will not attend at all. “If our condition is not satisfied, we will not attend, but we will forward priorities in our new Five Year Development Plan to Brussels to be incorporated into the New Deal Compact for Somalia,” said President Farole. Puntland has had strained relations with Mogadishu in recent years. Somalia's president Hassan Sheikh Mohamud has yet to address Puntland's concerns about the country's federal constitution.