Wiil Cusub;972862 wrote: All other 4 countries are in a part of democratic countries, which referendum is enough to make big change and they are part of highly develop regional organisation not silly African union and Arab league. To be realistic I thing Somaliland has lest chance and stronger determination than rest . Xaaji is dreaming if he expecting acceptance from Mogadisho I have never said there will be acceptance from Mogadishu that will never happen on their own , the only way we can go our seperate ways is if our great friends from Europe and America mediate between us. Than it will come and it will be very interesting. Laakin waliga ha sugin koonfurians to support Somaliland independence. You will find more Israelis supporting a independent Palestinian state than Koonfurians to support Somalilands quest for statehood.

This is what our beloved prophet Sayiduna Muhammad said in his last Khutbah All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety (taqwa) and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves. Remember, one day you will appear before ALLAH and answer your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone. O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QURAN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.

Muslims pray to the one true God , Allah Subxanawatacalla, they dont worship no man no other person its Shirk to worship any one but Allah.There is no threat coming from Arabs to Somalis,they are no threat to our heritage culture one reason they are intertwined.So it will not make sense to create a non existing enemy. Prophet Muhammad preached equality between Humans he was not send to Arabs but to all man Kind. His message is for all breathing humans on this planet. In islam u are not forced to wear Arab clothing this is another lie , and when it come to names its a good thing to name your children after the Sahaba or after the prophets and if you have other names aslong as it doesn't go against the teachings of islam as long as u dont have greek god names its good or something similar to that. One of the most revered islamic scholars were non Arabs. Sheikh Muhammad Bukhaari the hadith collector was a Persian Sheikh Al-Bayhaqi was a Persian. Sheikh Abdulqadir Gilani was a Persian Imam Junaid was a Persian.Abdullah ibn Salam was a sahaba he was of Jewish ancestry, he belonged to the group who were promised paradise. Along with Umar ibn Khatab abubark al sidiq , Sayidina Ali uthman and so on,he was part of that league. What about salman the Persian, who translated the first Quran from Arabic to Farsi, he was the sahaba who translated the quran into a foreign language. What about Salim Mawla Abu Hudhayfa it is said that Umar ibn khatab wanted him as his successor, but he died as a Mujahid There is a hadith that prophet muhammad said oo Muslims learn the Quran from Mawla abu hudhayfa. Islam is for all Human beings islam is the true religion and its superior to any religion on this planet. Arabs are Muslims they are part of the Ummah we pray also for them that allah leads them as he leads all the Muslims. Arabs and Somalis have no fundamental conflicting interests not in the horn not in Africa not else where.

People who start insulting Arabs its a phase the next phase is insulting or dividing the ummah attacking Wahaabi Salafi, the next phase is Kufr. Telling Somalis , Islam is an Arab religion thus we should reject it. Arabs are Humans they have their good bad we dont generalize all people. If Somalis have problem with people they take it to them they dont whine and act as if they are abused by other groups. Somalis are proud of their islamic heritage and we will continue to defend islam against any one. We also love Sayidi prophet Muhammad CSW more than anything in the world we also love the Sahabas the best among the Humans we love the four imams we love the Arab/islamic Hadith collectors. We are proud of the proud Arabs of the past the glorious Arabs who conquered much of north Africa and Spain and France to spread the words of almighty. Somalis committed more crimes against each other than a few people abused , i will not view an Arab different because some skinny was bullied by an Arab, war raga ama iska so celi ama cabaadka naga daa.

Interview with Muha http://oodweynenews.com/2013/08/anigu-maan-bedelin-jinsiyadayda-jagadan-laii-magacaabayna-maaha-mid-u-baahan-inaan-qaato-dhalashada-dalka-ghana-wareysi-aanu-la-yeelanay-dr-moha-dahir-farah-jire/

Dr. Muha Daahir Faarax Jire Oo Haatuf Uga Warantay Siday U Aragto Xilka Safiir-nimo Ee Dawlada Ghana U Magacawday Accra, August 8, 2013 (Haatuf) - Wasiirka arrimaha dibadda iyo iskaashiga caalamiga ah ee Wadanka Ghana Miss Hanna Tetteh oo ka wakiil ah Madaxweynaha dalkaas Mr. John Mahamma ayaa Shalay u magacawday safiirka dalka Ghana ee arrimaha bini'aadminimada Drs Muha Daahir Faarax Jire oo ah Suxufiyad reer Somaliland ah. Dr Muha Daahir Faarax Jire Oo xalay Wargeyska Haatuf khadka Telefoonka kula soo xidhiidhay iyada oo Ku Sugan Magaaladda Accra ee Caasimadda Dalka Ghana ayaa ka warantey sida ay u aragto xilkaas loo magaacabay, taas oo soo dhawaysay, sheegteyna inay u hagar bixi doonto wax u qabashada dadka tabaalaysan. Munaasabada loo qabtey Suxufiyadaas ayaa waxa ka soo qayb galley madaxda hay’adda u qaabilsan dalka Ghana arrimaha bini'aadminimada gudaha iyo dibadda ee CAT loo yaqaano, qaar ka mid ah diblomaasiyiinta dalalka dibadda u fadhiya magaalada Accra iyo masuuliyiin kale ayaa warsaxafadeed ay wasaaradda arrimaha dibadda ee dalka Ghana soo saartay waxay ku tilmaantay Drs Muha Daahir Faarax Jire Xidig geeska Afrika u dhalatay, kana soo dhex iftay arrimaha warbaahinta iyo gudbinta wararka ee qaaradda Afrika. Sidoo kale Afhayeen u hadlaysay waaxda gargaarka bini'aadminimada dalka Ghana ee CAT ayaa sheegtay in xilkani ay dawladda Ghana usoo bandhigtay xidigtani yar ee qaaradda Afrika ka soo dhex baxday, iyadoo muujisay karti, iyo hawlkarnimo isla markaana markii shanaad hadda ku soo noqotay dalka Ghana "Waxay noo tahay sharaf weyn in Drs Muha Daahir Faarax Jire ay xilkani naga aqbasho, waxaana ay u tahay farxad weyn CAT iyo wasaaradda arrimaha dibadda ee dalka Ghana" ayaa ay ku tidhi warsaxafadeedkaasi. Mrs Muha Daahir Faarax Jire oo iyaduna munaasabadda lagu magacaabay hadal ka jeedisay ayaa sheegtay in ay inta karaankeeda ah dhabarka u ridan doonto hawshani loo xil saaray "Ghana waa iftiinka dimuqraaidyadeed ee qaaradda Afrika, waxay ii tahay sharaf weyn inaan markii shanaad imaado Accra isla markaana booqdo meelo badan oo dalka Ghana, waxaanan weligay aanan iloobi doonin soo dhawaynta, iyo wanaaga ay dadka reer Ghana iyo xukuumadda Madaxweyne Mahamma ay ii muujisay muddadii aan halkani joogay, xilkani maaha mid fudud la i saaray, waxaan isku dayi doona inaan ka shaqeeyo la dagaalanka faqriga iyo sidii caruurta agoomaha ah ee qaaradda Afrika ay u heli lahaayeen gacan iyo taageero" ayey tidhi Drs Muha Daahir Faarax Jire. Ka Dib markii la magacaabay ayey Drs Muha Jire ka qayb gashay munaasabad ay qaramada midoobay iyo hay’adda CAT ugu qaybinayeen cunto iyo daawooyin xarunta agoomaha ee magaalada Accra, iyadoo furtay goobtaasi isla markaana hawshii qaybinta raashinka iyo daawooyinka ka shaqaynaysay. Dhinaca kale Waa markii ugu horaysay oo qof dhalasho ahaan ka soo jeeda Somaliland xil diblomaasiyadeed looga magacaabo dal ka mid ah dalalka dunida gaar ahaana hormoodka qaaradda Afrika. Dr. Muha Daahir Faarax Jire ayaa muddo dheer waxay ka hawl gallaysay xarunta midawga Afrika ee Addis Ababa, iyadoo horana u noqotay madaxii suxufiyiinta qaaradda Afrika, sannadkii 2011-kii ayaa guddoomiye ku xigeenkii Midawga Afrika dhawaan wuxuu guddoonsiiyey shahaadada Doctorate PHD, wixii intaasi ka danbeeyeyna waxay iskaga dab qaadaysay dhammaanba qaaradda Afrika.

Now thats good that we agree on something and what do you think of the possible emerging 5 new countries by the year 2025 clearly elaborated in the report. 1. Scotland 2. Catalonia 3. Republika Srpska 4. Quebec 5. Somaliland What are their chances do they have a chance of surviving independent.

I dont know i ask you , is Puntland jubbaland galmudug calling for independence if they want independence which i doubt but if they want that ,they need to fight for their cause.

Taleexi;972842 wrote: Dreams remain to be dreams - Either every clan state in Somalia gets recognition or none gets is the reality that calls for acceptance. Does every clan in Somalia want recognition?

Hassan at some stage would understand that he can never win the hearts and minds of the pirates they already accuse him of changing the constitution. I would welcome Djjibouti to host both Somalia and Somaliland i will consider it neutral ground. Britain Turkey united states Ghana Sweden Norway Germany France i am oke with it. Its all neutral ground. And president Ismaciil Cumar geele is an excellent host. Talking with Somalia is good , Somaliland has nothing to lose by talking to Somalia. Somaliland will continue its double diplomacy with engaging with the international community and talking to Somalia. Hassan cannot give away anything he doesn't have Somaliland u cannot give away something you dont have. He wants the union to come back but its not feasible he knows that 2 deep inside his heart when he was elected he said there might not be even a union. If it comes to a referendum i am sure he will have little problem he would just tell the parliament of Somalia he let the case of independence and union to the people of Somaliland. And that he is given a particular time to convince the Somalilanders about union to promote his cause. The Parliament of Somalia will pass it remember HAG the bay and bakool the D'r form the majority in the parliament. they dont even need the gedo votes who are also allied tot he government.

Somalia;972833 wrote: What's interesting is that Xaaji thinks engaging with Mogadishu is what will get him recognition, I think this is a new view, it must be welcomed. All roads should be tried i was never against talking to Mogadishu, but there was no Mogadishu to talk to , Ali mahdi was a warlord. Caydiid could not deliver what SNM wanted. Cabdi qasim was also a warlord. Cabdilahi yusuf and his xabashi mercenaries were at war with Somalis. Non of the governments in Somalia were legitimate. Some controlled a few streets in Xamar. But Somaliland will talk to Hassan he has a something that resembles a goverment although under African union troops it has full legitimacy. Wada hadal cool always cool Any where you want except in Somalia and Somaliland

Quebec i doubt that will happen any time soon their referendum already failed Republika Srpska is also far away, Scotland can happen catalonia to we just dont know how bad the Scots want independence does any one have statistics. Somaliland is the only one in Africa a functioning government a working democracy, Somaliland is also very lucky and unlucky the country they were once part of is no longer functioning it has something that resembles a goverment.If there is mediation some where in the near future the talks will be something like this Somaliland insists we are an independent state Somalia was never the mother country of Somaliland. Historic evidences will be in her favor. Somalia will argue Somaliland is part of Somalia , Somalia is a recognized nation by the UN and the international community the western powers given legitimacy will be in her favor.The Mediators listened to both sides, will than try to bring them closer to each other to a settlement by creating more cooperation by the 2 sides. The Mediators will tell the Somaliland delegation how certain are we that the people really do want to be independent did you held a referendum. The koonfurians on their turn will say that people want unity. Somaliland will tell the mediators that SL already held a referendum in 2001 and the people wanted to be independent. The Koonfurians will say the referendum was not valid and not all people voted and it was done just after the civil war the people were bitter and now the people have cooled down look at Fawziya she loves us koonfurians. After much much talking the mediators will come with the idea to continue the cooperation between the 2 sides and to hold a referendum in a few years time. While Somaliland allows the Koonfurians to sell promote their Somaliweyn in Somaliland on agreed dates. And the movement of people.

2. Catalonia 5, new, countries, that, might, exist, by, 2025, With Spain's economy in shambles and PM Mariano Rajoy increasingly mired in scandal, it's no wonder calls for Catalan independence have grown stronger (and maybe even more compelling) as Catalonia rumbles toward the controversial 2014 referendum. Home to one of Europe's biggest metropolitan areas, Barcelona, Catalonia has seen hundreds of thousands of citizens turn out for protests in favor of independence despite the Spanish constitution's ban on secession. An independent Catalonia could be sustainable too: the region, about the size of Belgium, accounts for a quarter of Spain’s total exports, and Spain takes more than it gives, spending only 57 cents in the region for every dollar of taxes collected there. Ban Ki-Moon and David Cameron have offered some support for Catalan self-determination. It’s been suggested that about 60% of Catalan citizens support secession, but hard-line opposition to independence in the rest of the country may hamper what would seem like a done deal in many other nations. Catolonia might just happen but 60% is not much they need 50% plus one but that would be weird Barcelona would be no longer in Spain, that would be very weird my favorite city in Spain.

I am still wondering though if the Scots would really break away from the United Kingdom the costs of doing business with England or Europe would be much higher if they adopt Scottish ponds.If they use English Ponds or the Euro their monetary system will be controlled by others. The new Scotland also would have to do without the fiscal largess from England. How independent do the Scots want to be , and people like James Cook and other great explores would no longer be British or General Richard Montgomery who led the British Forces in the America's would no longer be seen as a Brit but a mere Scot. Even the last 2 Prime Ministers of Britain Gordon brown and Tony Blair were Scottish. But i can also understand that the Scottish people were fighting for independence since the 12 century and we wish them all the best. But they need to think of the decision they make and what way they will vote.

If our European brothers mediate between Somaliland and Somalia in serious talks than Somaliland can be recognized in in a few years time 4 to 5 years.

Smart move by Culusow he wants his image to get better and he wants to get some $$ and last but not least he wants to be viewed as Somali leader. It kinda reminds me when Cabdilahi Yusuf said he wants to reconcile Somalis when the Tigrayans were calling the shots in Xamar. And there was a Somali translator translating everything the Tigrayan chief was saying. But people should not blame Culusow for all the problems ofcourse ha has his shortcomings but its not his fault. What capacity does he have just look at the former Somali republic. The north said under the leadership of Somalilands Siilaanyo they broke away and they will only talk with him in Turkey, and he has to respect their statehood. In order to be friends and there is so little he can do in that department. Than u have the northern province of Somalia Puntland ,they threaten with secession and believe only a constitution binds them to Mogadishu referring to the federal constitution Than you have Alshabaab under the leadership of Amir Godane they demand the African union troops to leave Somalia , or else the attacks will continue they have declared several fatwa's and they also said they will continue to wage their Jihaad. Than u have Jubbaland under the leadership of Ahmed madoobe he said that the Kenyans are his allies and that Mogadishu must respect his admin in order for him to respect Mogadishu. IGAD has more say in Somalias domestic affairs than culuso him self. So what are we expecting from hassan, what can he do does he have an army does he have working institutions. The man is under African union protection and the Somalis are not really working with him.

Classified;972481 wrote: Naxar_Nugaaleed , hadal kuma furna saxiib. I'm not here to take sides, but from what I've seen from your tribal elders and political elite, they have held so many conferences calling out for the liberation of Lasanod since October 2007 and we still see no changes. October 15, 2013 is coming and that will make 6 full years of occupation of Lasanod. Adhicadeeye, Yagoori and Gumaays were under occupation even longer. The Khaatumo/Maakhiri side of Ceerigaabo has been under occupation since 1991. Reality is, if your kinsmen are the largest settling in from Bari, Sanaag, Sool, Nugaal, Togdheer (Southern), Mudug, Galgaduud, Gedo, Jubada Hoose, Jubada Dhexe, NFD, iyo Somali Galbeed (Haud), then how is it possible that Saalax, a minority as you claim has been controlling every political and social movement of you in your own deegaans? :confused: Simple because there is no occupation dont believe what irrational emotional diaspora members feed each other behind close doors. The people back home have moved on , when was the last time u heard khatumo clashed with the Somaliland defense forces. There is no occupation large segments of the garaad clan support Somaliland government, and they are a very powerful group. They are more powerful than a handful clan elders. People feel there is no occupation there do you think the Mighty garaad clan would be occupied the clan that supposed defeated the europeans a clan of the best horse riders in the horn. No way the fact is hat the garaad clan are in support of Somaliland and rejected the garowe clan enclave and they dont believe in clan confederation.

Somaliland is big enough for all Somalilanders the country only has a population of close to 4 million people. No need to claim or fight over who owns what village. All of Somaliland belongs to all the people of Somaliland. The topic opener his goal was to divide Somaliland and its people. The topic opener is a pirate never let Koonfurians divide your people along clan lines for as you are one nation under the almighty. The Koonfurians will not rest until you become like them divided along clan lines along sectarian lines. Particularly the Pirates the Pirates are heading a difficult road since their so called elections failed. And they failed in Mogadishu big time. The people of Somaliland share everything learn how to respect each other calling segments of Somaliland communities kashimiries is disrespecting.Lets refrain from doing that especially when its ramadan also ciid is coming up.

President barre hiiraale welcomed the decision to send a multi national force to Kismayo Tuesday, August 6th, 2013 | Posted by Wadani Wadani Dhalay Dhagayso:- Maamulka Barre Hiiraale oo soo dhaweeyay Ciidamo isku dhaf ah in la geeyo Kismaayo Saraakiisha Ciidamadda Maamulka Barre Hiiraale ee ku sugan duleedka degmada Kismaayo ayaa soo dhaweeyay Warmurtiyeedkii kasoo baxay shirkii Madaxda wadamada Ciidamadda ay ka joogaan Soomaaliya ku yeesheen Magaalada Kampala ee caasimada dalka Uganda. Qodobada Warmurtiyeedka ayaa waxaa kamid ahaa Ciidamo isku dhaf ah in la geeyo Ciidamadda magaalo xeebeeda Kismaayo. Cabdi Ibrahim Aadan Waraabe oo la hadlay Warbaahinta ayaa soo dhaweeyay go’aanka ay qaateen madaxda Ciidamadda ka joogaan Soomaaliya.

Dh waxa lo isticmaala usually si kalmada loo kalo saaro as in tiri vs tidhi tiri count Tidhi said, it depends reer bay and bakool can be understood to yes it depends if they speak the maxay tidhi dialect , the may may dialect is difficult to understand,for some.

^^ The pirates over use the DH ,, they use it for every word which is incorrect but they can be understood.

Suaashu waxay tahay maxa iga gali waayey.

I thought Somali was Toban not Toman

The gallas say ku dhan , the sahos say toman, the counting have some similarities, but the languages are very far apart if you as me , Saho is closer to Afar.

Carafaat faroole has the elders in his pocket maybe not the clan of northern galkacyo but he can bribe them. Or lock them up approve new one, or murder them like Abdilahi yusuf did and make it seem it was an accident.