<cite> @Saalax said:</cite> First of all one doesn't have to be at war to be charged with crimes against humanity case in point Uhuru Kenyatta the president of Kenya was also summoned to the criminal court for his alleged part in the death of many unarmed acivilians. War criminal Siilaanyo Attacking opposition and other unarmed civilians with RRU which uses bullets which in turn kills people is Willful(deliberate), unless you're telling me senile Siilaanyo thinks they have been using pillows to attack people. The man your speaking of the politician that he himself was working to get Siilaanyo to the court he has sold his soul to the same war criminal that massacred the children of Ahmed Dhagax district and he is heavily critized by the people of this community for that reason. This is the reason Siilaanyo is a war criminal and if you don't like it tough luck. "1.Directing attacks against civilians" "2.Willful(deliberate)" He is guilty of both as seen in many of the sources posted in this thread. Now you are arguing for the sake of it lets go back again you said Siilaanyo is a war criminal because he has killed a person in Axmed dhagax while protesting, and the reason you gave was it was because of their clan. Now you changed from your initial stance and you said it was because of them being opposition but Xasqoor was not even a political party at that time. Than you went on and comparing President Siilaanyo with Uhuro kenyatta and William ruto a protest in Somaliland with one fatality in contrast to Kenya more than 1,000 people died and hundreds of thousands were displaced when ethnic groups loyal to leading candidates torched homes and hacked rivals in violence that raged until early 2008. How on earth can u compare that to President Siilaanyo and the incident in 2012, When did that happen in Somaliland how can you compare the 2 situation even. How can the guy who was running the case from the very start being criticized now a Question how come no one is re appealing the case against president siilaanyo i mean if he is a War criminal why are they letting him of the hook?

<cite> @Saalax said:</cite> I think you need to read more of the definition of what a war criminal is it is wide.War criminal Siilaanyo fits in this critrea below. RRU is not a different issue because RRU comes under war criminal Siilaanyo's command and he deliberately killed unarmed civilians by telling the RRU under his command to crack down on them. International Criminal Court 2002 War crimes are defined in the statute that established the International Criminal Court, which includes: Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions, such as: 2.Willful(deliberate) killing, or causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health Torture or inhumane treatment The following acts as part of an international conflict: 1.Directing attacks against civilians Conclusion Siilaanyo is guilty of both. Siilaanyo is a sadistic immoral war criminal no amount of poor excuses from Xaaji Xundjuf will change that. You are not reading clearly what you just posted. Willful is the word since when was sillaanyo deliberately willfully killing his people how come the guy who wanted to go to court is in Hargeysa today part of the Kulmiye party. If Siilaanyo is the war criminal. Since when did Siilaanyo torture the young boy who was shot or treat him in a Inhumane way. Than it says the following are part of an international conflict since when is there a military conflict in Somaliland how is it even part of an International conflict. How can you with a straight face try to sell us Somaliland protests are an international conflict. Did Siilaanyo willfully attack the people of Axmed dhagax because they are the people of Axmed dhagax. Or because of the color of their eye or political affiliation the answer is no. Siilaanyo RRU unit tried to stop an ongoing protest which caused the Young Somaliland Boy's death very unfortunate. How than did Siilaanyo stop the attacks on the civilians how come that no person from Axmed dhagax was killed in Somaliland since the 2012 protests if Siilaanyo was killing them because of their clan? Last time i checked they haven't changed their Clan. Your argument is very weak you need to try again why is Siilaanyo a war criminal according to you bal ku noqo halkaas.

<cite> @Saalax said:</cite> Saying it is unfortunate won't make any difference nor will it bring back the dead unarmed civilians gunned down by ruthless war criminal Siilanyo, war criminal Siilaanyo did not apologise for killing many unarmed civilians under his reign. It even promoted legitimate Somaliland MPs to put it him on the spotlight for his crimes. War criminal Siilanyo already killed many in Sool, he would love to do the same with Xaqsoor community but they are united and not voiceless. In UK the Xaqsoor community were considering bringing Siilaanyo to court so that shows how even they view him. Some of the many crimes commited by war criminal Siilanyo including indiscriminate shooting How British-Trained Somaliland Police Terrorize a Nation https://news.vice.com/article/uk-accused-of-training-and-supporting-deadly-somaliland-counter-terrorism-unit http://democracychronicles.com/british-trained-somaliland-police/ There are 2 different subjects you are mixing the RRU and the way they are used which is debatable or the fact that RRU needs rubber bullets or Silanyo being a war criminal first of all Siilaanyo is not at war with reer Xaqsoor or reer AXMED dhagax or reer Baligubadle for him to be a war criminal he needs to be at war direct war with them he needs to commit crimes against humanity since when does the Killing of a young Boy in a protests constitute crimes against Humanity Heinous crimes systematic Killing. Did president Siilaanyoo pick out that young Boy because of his clan lets just say that kid never got killed would he still be a war Criminal. If they want to bring Siilaanyo to court their appeal case is very weak to let him be punished for war crimes. Thats just absurd what evidence does they have that Siilaanyo is killing reer Axmed dhagax based on their clan or ethnicity or political affiliation. So by your logic he needs to apologize for the incident than he is no longer a war criminal. So if millosovich said he was sorry he would be no longer a war criminal by the The Hague int Criminal court. That would make the legal system of the west a kangaroo system. You are Judge and jury your verdict is President Siilaaanyo is a war Criminal. But all he need to do is apologize and because he did not apologize for the incident that makes him a War criminal.

Killing people is always wrong , people do not deserve to be killed. And every one must condemn this act against the people of France. Though i agree that the world press the west in particular tries to show one perspective of the whole issue. Though its an honer to defend the Prophet of Islam but killing and shooting is not one of them or trying to kill cartoonist. You havent done islam a great honer nor the prophet nor Humanity. Every single person will be judged by God we are not here to judge people nor to send them to their grave.

<cite> @Saalax said:</cite> scores were killed and 7 of Xaqsoor supporters were injured. Several unarmed civilians were also killed in Burco, Gabiley, Sool etc and countless places. Those are not "one" incident but repetitive and done deliberately hence he is a war criminal and that is what he is. He attacked Xaqsoor suuporters because of their tribe and political stance. One person got killed in the incident in 2012 which was very unfortunate, This was 3 years ago . which is very unfortunate but to say that president of Somaliland is a war criminal because of this incident or even the recent Wadani supports and RRU incident in Burco. He attacked the supporters of Xasqoor because of their Clan come on you cannot believe that. Why did he not Jail Xaqsoor political leaders why did he not shell systimatically Baliguubadle and Axmed dhagax district why did he not torture in their 100s and try to remove reer Axmed dhagax from their homes. Thats a war criminal now be rational Magalaada Hargeysa ee Xarunta Maamulka Somaliland xalay waxaa ka dhacay Qalalaase u dhaxeeya Ciidamada Amaanka iyo dad ka careysan Natiijooyinkii ay soo saareen Gudiga Doorashooyinka Somaliland. Mudaaharaadyada Rabshadaha watay ayaa xalay waxa ay ka bilowdeen xaafadda (Axmed Gurey), waxaana rabshadahaasi ku dhintay wiil yar oo 8-jir ah kaib markii ciidamada amaanka ay rasaas ooda kaga qaadeen dadkii mudaaharaadayay. Ciidamada amaanka iyo dadkii ka ka careysnaa natiijooyinka doorashada ayaa la sheegay inay fooda is dareen, waxaana la tilmaamay in ciidamada ay adeegadeen rasaasta noonool halka dadweynaha ay iyana ku tuurayeen dhagxaan. Shalay galab ayay gudiga Doorashooyinka Somaliland ku dhawaaqeen Natiijooyinka ka soo baxay Doorashooyinkii Golaha Deegaanka ee dhowaan Somaliland ka dhacay, waxeyna sheegeen in Xisbiyada Kulmiye, Wadani, iyo Ucid ay ku soo Baxeen Cododkii ay dhiibteen dadka Reer Somaliland

IGAD is a dysfunctional organization its run by the EPRDF Ethiopias leading government. It has no real purpose regionally only int hat failed state called Somalia. You keep referring Somaliland as a Somali diid land. But Somaliland is the only authentic Somali country with 100% of its population being Ethnic Somalis where Somali culture and Poetry and Folkore dance is celebrated across the entire Somaliland republic. Axmed Somalia is Somali diid it has dishonored destroyed especially the Anarchists INC everything Somaali stood for. They have disgraced the once proud former Somali republic.

Ninki Axmaaar dugsada Jeel Axmaar bu ku danbeya is the moral of the story , bal maxa Boramadisa ka kaxeeyey thinking the Xabashis would give him safe haven lol.

War-Deg-dag Ah:Ciidamada Faderaalka Itoobiya Oo Gacanta Ku Soo Dhigay Suldaan Waber Hargeysa(ramaas)10.Jan.2015:-Waxa goor dhaweyd ay ciidamada faderaalka dawlada Itoobiya ay gacanta ku dhigeen Suldaankii dhawaan duurka galay ee Suldaan Waber. Ma jiraan illaa hada warar faah faahsan oo arrin la xidhiidha, balse sida ay ilo wareedyo lagu kalsoon yahay ay u xaqiijiyeen mareegta ramaasnews ayaa sheegaya in ciidamada Itoobiya oo muddooyinkii danbe suldaanka dusha kala socday ay ku ruqaansadeen aaga uu joogay, waxaana la sheegay in isaga iyo sida oo kale nimanka kale oo la socdayba gacanta lagu dhigay, illaa hadana lama soo sheegin wax khasaare ah oo halkaasi ka dhashay. Madaxweynaha Jamhuuriyada Somaliland Md:Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud(Siilaanyo), ayaa dhawaan ay ahayd markii uu ciidamada amar buuxa uu siiyey in ay gacanta ku soo dhigi karaan Suldaan Waber, waxaana arrintan la la xidhiidhinayaa in ay tahay mid salka ku haysa hadalkii madaxweyne Siilaanyo, balse illaa hada ma cada in suldaanka loo soo gudbin doono dhinaca Somaliland iyo in kale. Suldaan Waber oo ka mid ah madax dhaqameedka ka soo jeeda gobalka Awdal, ayaa muddooyinkii danbe ku jirey duurka ka dib markii uu ku dhawaaqay hadalo lid ku ah qaranka Somaliland. ramaasnews - See more at: http://ramaasnews.com/index.php/News/News/War-Deg-dag-AhCiidamada-Faderaalka-Itoobiya-Oo-Gacanta-Ku-Soo-Dhigay-Suldaan-Waber.html#sthash.mrbNdkyo.dpuf

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> And yet we have these low-standard Somalis actually celebrating this corrupt President and his good-for-nothing government. This is a shame. We have nothing to be proud about right now when we have 20,000 Christian Madow mercenaries stationed on our territory The sad part of it all is that IGAD countries are holding a conference inside Somalia while Somalia remains in turmoil and has no sovereignty over its territory. Most countries take allot of pride in hosting regional and international conferences. But they do the securing welcoming hosting planning and preparing the different dignitaries so that the conference goes smoothly. This is a very good thing to do as a nation, but if the security of the nation is in the hands of Foreigners how on earth can u take pride in hosting a regional conference. Let Malistar and the rest enjoy the Photo opportunity because thats what it is. For now IGAD is holding a conference by IGAD for IGAD a regional protected IGAD region called the former Somalia very sad to see.

<cite> @Saalax said:</cite> What evidence do you need? It is all out there. Gunning down unarmed Xaqsoor party supporters in Hargeisa and killing more unarmed civilians in other cities and regions. Since when does an unfortunate incident in 2012 constitute him being a war criminal 1 young man died in an incident of protests. How does that make Siilaanyo a war criminal. I dont follow that logic similar incidents occurred during rayaales reign is daahir rayaale also a war criminal. Definition of a war criminal according to International law a crime (as genocide or maltreatment of prisoners) committed during or in connection with war —usually used in plural ill treatment, or deportation of the civilian population of occupied territories), crimes against peace, and crimes against humanity (political, racial, or religious persecution against any civilian population). Since when did president Siilaanyo systematically attacked the people of Axmed dhagax and Baligubadle because of their ethnic racial clan back ground or even religious persecution or he attacked the civilian population.

<cite> @SomaliaPatriot said:</cite> This shows u that maamulka soomaalidiidka is not taking serious by any Igad country kkkk No igad meeting in Hargeisa, no Erdogan visiting, no recognition by xabashis. Atleast Somaliland doesnt have to be protected by 4 out of the 6 IGAD state members nation states that host conferences for regional organizations take great honor in hosting it with the man and daughters of their nation. But it seems IGAD hosted an IGAD conference in Mogadishu no real significance everything had to be coordinated with the IGAD security forces on the ground very sad but that is the reality. Why would Somaliland host an IGAD conference Somaliland is not part of that dysfunctional IGAD organization.

Axmed Guriceel clan are guarded by Ethiopians and the so called Mogadishu clans hide in Ugandan Bunkers so much for bravery lol. Tilamook what happened to cabdi cawars threat of waging war in Sool he his holding a xaflad in garowe 1 year anniversary bisad na mu dilin

Saalax how so whats the evidence that he is a War criminal.

Why do you call Somaliland President war Criminal?

4 out of the six flags have troops in Somalia , smh this is nothing to be proud about. The Former Somali republic went from hosting the African nation states in Mogadishu 1974 40 years ago. 40 Years later IGAD nations are having troops placed in all corners of Somalia.

Ahmed ur a very violant person waxa lugu mooda qof dakhtarka dadka walaan ka soo baxsaday.

i loved this debate Abdifatax wa rageedi adeer afkaga hagaaji Somaliland dhe. He forced him to say Somaliland lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUr-BLD2BLU

Faisal knows how to deal with the Pirates

Alshabaab is a problem in the region but its in particular a problem to Somalia and Kenya, so its their task to fight it. Somaliland coordination and cooperating with Puntland on such issues is a no go zone and there is a reason for that. But than again Alshabaab is a reactive force to the Amisom troops in Somalia take away the Foreign troops and Alshabaab has no legal claim to fight or Kill others. Somaliland number one priority is the safety of Somaliland , the Galgala Mountains are in Somalia , the Shabaab fighters are fighting Puntland , So for Somaliland its not wise to use its resources to fight Shabaab inside Somalia , we have no mandate to do so, nor is in SL close interest to that.

Mooge its been a year since cabdi cawar was made the head of the pirate state.what happend to attacking laascanood we are still waiting during his reign we even moved into taleex and saax dheer. On the xamar front cabdi cawar is very happy With cumar buur as if hè can anything on the ground in mogadishu. The galgala war is ongoing And were as cabdi qeybdid is gaining momentum this will not be a good year for the pirates.

Both the sl opposition and the gouvernement spoke hard against the koofurian administration. I can assure you the public is very happy With this. The koonfurians are only known to complain to their embassies but no action to back it up. Because those Who have amisom africans as their awliyaa shall never prevail.

Wabar Will be captured and locked up in a dungeon. Do you think sl gouvernement Will negotiate With terrorists in the mean time hè can hide in ethiopia.

What dispute one man in hidinng in ethiopia is not a dispute lol. If hè thinks hè can be a Gandhi hè might as well Just become an ethiopian