Originally posted by Caano Geel: They all think shehehehehehehe is kinda cute when she gets all worked up? I think at this point SOL will have to distance itself from this Nomad's comments. Sheh has been in the mood for litigation of late and one can't be sure if she takes offence to the words above and decides to sue this site. (I’m really starting to worry for that young lady). ps Who the hell is Magool and since when has she become a moderator?

Originally posted by roobleh: quote: You're forever trying to find ways to prove a pointless point; like a dog chasing its own tale really. When it finally gets to bite it nobody else would feel the pain but itself! Will you tell us why the above doesn't apply to you? I have seen you responding to different threads and I am suspecting that you enjoy to defend opinions that are not the norm. I saw the one you tried to argue that homosexuality is "natural." But what for? Just to show people that you can win any debate no matter what. Why don't you debate on the subject matter and give us your opinion whether burning corpses is justified. And please do not equate this with the rioting in Los Angles. There were no burning corpses in LA. And the issue that we need to discuss is the issue of burning the dead, subhanalah. Please do not discredit an article cuz the author belongs to such clan or supports such state. And it's very nice to make your acquaintance too, saaxib. Now, not sure if I need to reply to the first part of your post there! I think I shan't bother. If you have any comments to make on that subject then go and make it on the said thread. This topic on the other hand, I am going to comment on. Hmmm! Since you (and others) didn't get it the first time, I'll have to do it the hard way and go round the long route (if you feel that I'm patronising you here, don't. I'm not). Ok. Imagine we're in a theatre with three actors standing on the stage. The first actor starts to speak. The spotlights, naturally, will go on him! The other two actors, though still on the stage, will be relegated to the background. I'm hoping that you got the hint by now. If not, no worries, I'm not done yet. Many people regarded the existence of Ethiopian troops in Somalia as a serious and shameful problem for the Somali nation. Others thought it was a solution and as the only way Somalia can get back on its feet. THIS was the story under the SPOTLIGHTS then. The people of the capital killed, desecrated and dragged a few dead bodies about! They've done it as a result of the first story and to show their opposition to the Ethiopian presence in Somalia. Now this story was the one hogging the SPOTLIGHTS. 'Forget Ethiopian troops', the argument went, 'dishonouring the dead is savage and wrong' everyone cried. In short, this story took precedence and overshadowed the one about the presence of Ethiopians in Somalia (for the time being). Now some unprincipled journalist and a phoney poet decided to comment on that last story! But. Instead of talking about the savage nature of those killings, or the reasons behind such killings! Instead of trying to rationalise such savagery (for better or worse), they decided to put the SPOTLIGHT on an entire clan! As a consequence, the reader of their pieces is left with two options: either to agree that the aforementioned clan is SAVAGE or disagree with this whole notion! You and Duke are expecting me to talk about dead bodies being dragged around but neither Togne nor Goth put too much emphasis on that part of the story. Both are too busy painting one clan as some sort of SAVAGES. In fact, Goth is not even bothered. He dedicates a great chunk of his article to show how this savagery justifies the existence of Somaliland! That's where he tries to move the SPOTLIGHT. Try to keep up and don't miss the lights. Ps Since you rejected the LA riots on the simple point of the bodies being dragged in the street. How about I give you the Iraq (and Faluja) situation? Such savagery, my friend, is not that rare as to be found only in the Somali capital and in one particular clan. This is what Goth is saying (though I don't think even he believes it). pps North, Done it in the past. He won't print it.

Of course I do. But I also know it's not a clan thing, saaxib. Even the people of your village would have done the same in the same position. It's mob rule and that is what happens in 'riots'. Remember the LA riots and how people behaved there? in AMERICA no less. To turn it into a clan problem is sick. Rise above the nonsense, saaxib. Your cause is already in a position of strength, why stoop so low?

Bashir Goth is a shameless opportunist that does his own cause (Somaliland) no good at all. The whole article, from his stand, is unnecessary really. After all, even if those in the capital were not as troublesome as he describes them, would that mean he will be interested in the union? I somehow doubt it. So, what exactly is his game? Is he trying to say: I told you so? I usually enjoy his articles (though mostly don't agree with the idea behind them, it's always Somaliland after all). But I just can never bring myself to take the man seriously. He'll stretch any truth, twist any fact and sprinkle any event to turn it into something that proves the necessity of Somaliland's independence. Admirably patriotic of course but not at all principled. Togane on the other hand is riding on the crest of clannish wave. He seems to understand the Somali thirst for seeing opposite clans mocked and ridiculed and he always duly delivers with his incoherent drivel. It's waffle masquerading as poetry. There are no great pictures drawn, no nice turns of phrases and hardly any reason or rhyme to his so called 'poetry'! The only thing that always seems to stand out is his attacks on various clans and his seemingly neutral position. Give me Bashir's unprincipled position anytime. Talking of unprincipled positions, one can't but grin at Duke's lower form of opportunism here! I mean fancy using the words of Bashir Goth (a sworn Somalilander) to prop up your own position! You're forever trying to find ways to prove a pointless point; like a dog chasing its own tale really. When it finally gets to bite it nobody else would feel the pain but itself!

Where do you guys get this news from?

^^^^ Ooooh! You speak Somali to her? I'm so impressed I actually spat out my lunch of fish and chips, saaxib Oh well. Give it a year and she'll be your Arabic interpreter. Heh. I could just picture you trying to purchase the latest Liverpool kit and having problems with the Lebanese salesperson.

Whatever magic you're using, Paragon, I really want some of that. I mean...you actually got Val to post in the politics section not once but TWICE! Val, at the best of times, is a tough nut to crack. If you managed to charm her I don't think you'll have a problem with anyone. Yes, even Pi.

^^^ A big fat WHOOSH for missing the point.

^^ Hear hear

^^^ When will the poor kids have time to be kids though? Many Somali children in the West seem to be working harder and longer hours than some adults. They go to school in the morning, return in the afternoon to go to Islamic classes (most learning Arabic along the way). Then you have those that do extra English and Maths classes on weekends. And in the middle of all that they still have to do their homework when at home and suffer the endless harangues of their parents! It’s a tough life for many children these days. I speak to mine in Arabic whilst their mother speaks to them in Somali. Neither their Somali or Arabic are as good as their English! However, from exposing them to Arabic (dubbed) cartoons I’ve noticed them using Arabic (fosxa) words from time to time. What will be will be I suppose. The seeds are planted.

^^^ Muaaaah

^^ Bloody tory.

^^^ It is. But the media only caters for people’s tastes. If the general appetite prefers rumour mongering and twaddle then that’s all we’ll get. As I said already, there is nothing wrong with sensationalist news as a political tool. But it should be something that will help you to reach your eventual objective. This will not. By the way, never underestimate what effect such news have on the national mind. People might not be taking it seriously now (and it’s a trivial topic after all) but in times of stress and confusion the most wild of rumours are ready to be believed. For rumours and twisting of the news we already have Duke (he’s a delightful novelty) we really don’t need every last person on this site to play the same game. If we were not retards before this drivel is going to make us so.

^^^ It's swings and roundabouts really. All this business of 'hard hit' by the tax changes is, really, an overreaction. Brown shuffled the cards about a little but on the whole it's the same old deck of cards. The most those people will lose will be £100. The most others will gain will be along those same lines. However, what you lose in the snakes, you gain on the ladders really. It's not a disgrace; it's a clever budget.

Originally posted by Khayr: Tom, what are you on? :rolleyes: Please bring faraax back. :cool: No. I prefer Tom. Faarax is a backward, conspiracy-ridden fool. When one is confronted with almost an entire nation of what can only be described as children one can’t help but agree with the notion of Ethiopian occupation. Everyday, my dear brother, the posters in here display and prove why Somalia cannot rule itself. But let me get serious for a minute. The topic that we have here is nothing but tittle-tattle. The evidence being used is all about a few thousand Ethiopians living in Somalia, a port deal being agreed, and the words of the former speaker of parliament. NONE of that evidence would stand up to any kind of serious scrutiny! At any rate, lets distort reality a little and pretend that this evidence is indeed something worth believing. In that case, and by simple logic one can also argue that Somalia is trying to occupy Ethiopia. There are hundreds of thousands of Somalis living in Ethiopia! Or better still, you and your ilk are attempting to occupy the West (there are thousands of you living wherever you live). Simple migration is no evidence of anything. You see Khyer, though you usually can’t comprehend, you actually can READ. There is a world of opportunity and knowledge open to you because of that simple fact. The same applies to every last person that uses this website. Yet, have you been reading the contributions of the simpletons on here? Emotions are natural and seeing our situation one can understand why people get worked up from time to time. However, here, it is all the time! What is the difference between the author of this topic and some illiterate camel herder in the heart of Somalia? I’d actually prefer the camel herder, for he does not know what he says and is only going by the sensationalist news given to him. And even if such a person does not believe that news (for instinct is never to be discounted) he, unfortunately, lacks the proper avenues and sources of information to double-check on such news. You and the rest of the proud simpletons here DO. Now, if you do have access to all news sources and can compare, contrast, deduce and work out the truth from the lies, why are you all still here and STILL posting this worthless twaddle? Is it a genetic defect? Is it something to do with the circles you move in? Are you easily influenced or are we just a backward nation of flaccid rumourmongers with not a nucleus of an original idea between us? Don’t at all get me wrong here. Sensationalising the news is an accepted and widely practised political tool. The idea, usually, is to put a spin on the news; not turn it on its damn head! No average person would mind a bit of spin (as long as they realise what it is and the motives for it). In fact, most would welcome it; simply for the entertainment value it brings. This, of course, does not apply to us. We are Somali we are backward and thick! We cry about Zamzam, that other lady that was supposed to have been raped in the south and the six alleged criminals beheaded in Saudi Arabia, etc. So, why spread these outrageous claims of terrorists living in Somalia, Ethiopians trying to usurp the nation or that Puntlanders (now that they’re on the ascendancy) are vying for southern blood? What is the obsession with these outright lies and why are they (and similar stories) the main topics for discussion? This is below gutter politics and usually does not deserve a reply from any person that even bothers to use a quarter of his god-given intellect. Yet, the topics still come and the replies are always at the ready. Now, if this half-witted attitude and readiness to help spreading rumours was limited to this site then I would not have been duly worried or irritated. Wretchedly, this is not the case. This is a Somali disease. It’s a defect that, should it remain, will never ever allow us to either have peace or prosper (go on, try to squeeze in your tiresome moral relativism theories in here). The collective mind-set of a people tells you what these folks are naturally like. Here, on this website, the majority of the posters (with no due respect to anyone) come across as simple, duplicitous and ignorant. There are the occasional discussions that are (or at least try to be) objective. There are a handful of people that also seem to be sensible enough to start or take part in discussions intelligently. But on the whole, the majority are either mentally lazy or (as I strongly suspect) intellectually wanting. And, this is not limited to only this site. It’s something that can be found on almost all Somali sites. It’s a problem that the entire nation suffers from. A nation where the mob well and truly rule (even in cyberspace)! A nation where the president promises to bomb his own citizens, where the citizens drag dead bodies around the streets and where (contrived) sides brag and preen at the misfortunes of the other side. So, are you going to label me as a Tom again, you pointless Somali?

Heh. Xiin, it's just a simplistic summarising of the situation (Somali style) for those that are not keeping up with it all. If I put it in the politics section I would have had to include door handles, fairies and potatoes in the story. I'm trying to keep it as close to reality as possible here.

He was sitting in his office in the presidential palace, deep in thought and with his back to the door. He heard a knock and mumbled 'enter' with that cute old man voice of his. His personal advisor walked in and stood silently. 'What's wrong' said Mr Yusuf. 'I just came to remind your Excellency about your trip to Bahrain' said the advisor. 'What about it?' asked the president gruffly! 'Well, it's in two hours time, sir. You need to be ready to go in half an hour. Shall I inform the security services and your presidential bodyguards to prepare themselves?' 'Do I really have to go?' said Mr Yusuf tetchily. 'The king of Bahrain is expecting you, sir' replied the advisor coolly. 'Can't Geedi go in my place? Surly he can apologise on my behalf and tell that king that my kidney's are playing up again' said the president pleadingly. 'The Prime Minster is flying to Venezuela tomorrow. He'll try to placate president Chavez and see if we can squeeze some much needed grants from him, sir. We also desperately need the help and assistance of Bahrain. Only you can secure that for us' said the advisor. A mortar landed outside the palace and shook the whole building up. The advisor ducked. When he got up he couldn't see the president! He panicked and ran over to the president's desk. He found his leader cowering under the desk and speedily reciting what sounded like some magic chants. 'Are you ok, sir' he coolly asked. 'War bax! Didn't you just see how I almost got blown up?' shouted the president. The advisor cringed and quickly straightened up to hide his embarrassment. 'It was merely a stray mortar, sir. And it probably landed in the garden not the palace itself' he said with a composed smile. 'Today it landed in the garden, tomorrow it will land in my lap' cried the president. 'Our forces are working on that, sir. Within weeks we shall stop all these attacks' said the advisor confidently. 'I don't have weeks. I have to go to Bahrain in half an hour! How can I step outside this palace when mortars are raining down on me like confetti?' ‘Colonel Yusuf, sir! This is nothing. You've seen worse things in your long and illustrious career, sir. Don't worry yourself about a few faulty mortar bombs, sir’ said the advisor. 'Well, I warn you, man. If I leave this building in one piece, I am not returning. I don't care what Geedi, Zenawi or anyone says. I am not returning here. Do you hear?' shouted the president. 'I do, sir. I assure you that by the time you return, our gallant forces and their AU helpers would have cleaned the city from all these irritating ulcers on the landscape of our great capital' boasted the advisor. ‘Ok ok! Just prepare my security and warn them that if any man neglects his duties and lets anything bad happen to me I'm going to severely punish him' warned the president. The advisor left the room and returned five minutes later with the head of the presidential bodyguard. 'Are you ready, sir' said this new arrival. Just as the president was about to reply, three consecutive mortars exploded against the walls of the palace. In the midst of the deafening noise, one could clearly hear a faint voice screaming the word 'mummy'! It took ten full minutes for all three men to compose themselves. 'This was even closer than the last one' said the president. 'Yes it was' nodded the advisor gravely. 'Are you ready to move now, sir' asked the Head of security. 'Move where?' enquired the president with a shocked look on his face! 'To the airport, sir! Did you forget about your trip to Bahrain?' said the advisor. 'You go to Bahrain' pouted the president. 'But sir..' said the advisor. The president interrupted that sentence and said 'I am not leaving this building until those murderers outside are pacified!' 'But you have to go to Bahrain, sir' pleaded the advisor. 'We don't want to make any diplomatic mistakes'. 'It's my kidney, man. Can't you understand? I have a problem with my kidney. Those Bahrainis will understand' appealed the president. 'You can take the opportunity to visit some Bahraini hospitals, sir' suggested the advisor. 'Look, man. I am not leaving this building and risk being killed by those terrorists outside. I saw what they did to the poor Ethiopian soldier and I don't want to share his fate. I am not going and that is final' bellowed the president. 'Very well, sir! Shall I inform the Prime Minster?' said the advisor. 'Inform whoever you like. And while you're at it, spread the word that we're going to start bombing and attacking all those that are trying to bring this government down' roared the president. Another bomb exploded near the window, shattering the glass and sending the president back to cower under his desk......

If this were true then it should be a reason for celebration. Finally the land will have occupiers that may accord it the respect it deserves. Everyday, I grow more and more convinced that most Somalis are illiterate, stubborn, blinkered savages. Ask again, son: are you proud to be Somali?

I think the lady already got her actors; she's looking for writers. I would love to oblige but neither my English nor Somali are good enough for such an enterprise. My humour is also not that suitable to Somali palates. Having said that, it all really depends on the setup of the show! When you say it will be 'ongoing', do you mean a continuing soap opera or just a sketch show? A soap opera will be harder to make methinks. Still, I would love to help and see, at close quarters, how such a project evolves. Need a coolie? I could help carry the equipment, hold the microphones up in the air and sweep up the studio when the show is done. Or how about becoming your PA? I could follow you around carrying your bag and clipboard. I will also be happy to hold your mobile phones and answer all your calls. In fact, you can order me around and even kick me when things get on top of you, xuminatrix!

^^^ It would have been a different reply if a born atheist had said what Cara said. Don't you understand the reasons for the venom, Serenity? It's natural to get angry and upset when one of yours leaves the team. Still, it's no excuse for direct insults. Allah-u-bahane, as much as I like and admire Cara's cool head I'm not in her camp, you silly buffoon Maybe not in your crazy and mad way but I do believe in Allah and that there is no creator but Allah. Anyway, have you not noticed that I softened up towards you these days? You're still a charlatan of course but you have become a parody of yourself of late and been outstripped in your buffoonery by the new-kids-on-the-block ..shape up, duqa.. Khalaf, You let MK dupe you again. Had you read my original response in that thread (the one that got MK frothing at the mouth) you would have noticed that it was in opposition to Xiin's words. Xiin and I are not always in agreement. And though I do revel in causing trouble, getting under people's skin and generally having a good time (in my own mischievous way) in the middle of debates, I try to still stay civil (with one or two lapses here and there). Xiin on the other hand is always earnest and tries to be fair in his outlook. To try assuming people's intentions is a very unhealthy haibt that hardly ever bears any results and, more importantly, rubs people the wrong way. If in doubt, why not ask? If you're still not happy with the reply then either let it go or persist until you trip them up. If anything, it'll make for a more interesting discussion.

^^ What? Girls being called names or people not being Muslim?

Originally posted by Cara: I must say I'm fighting the urge to point at my chest with both thumbs, grin happily and say "Scumbag atheist, that's me!" I've always wanted to be in showbiz. Heh. Don't be offended when they all start staring at your chest and wonder why there are no scumbag atheists there.....!

Other than the Legend and MMA I have not seen any moderators lately. Do you think they jumped ship and left us to our own devices? I declare this a kingdom and appoint Allah-u-bahane as my chief of general staff. Fix this place up, saaxib. Do well and I shall reward you with a gift for your uncle.

^^^^^ There is an icon at the bottom of every post with the words Report Post. If you see anything you don't like, click on that and write whatever you want to say in there. It's no good complaining about it in Public. You risk being stained with the same mud that was thrown at Cara.