^^ They CAN NOT be Middle Class if their conduct is as you describe, you mad woman. Can't you follow a simple thought? You and Marc talk about class as if it is a concept you just invented. It is not about owning houses, going to the theatre or earning a certain amount of money. It is about values, conduct, level of education and much much more. Now take a deep breath and read what I wrote you at the start. I did not disagree with your rant, but INFORMED you that your definition there was WRONG. Don't embarrass yourself any further, darling. Learn from me.

^^ The sheikh is not a politician. Has never been and, judging by his actions in the last two years, is never likely to ever become one. He should step out of it all and go back to being the humble teacher he always were.

^^ And I told you the ones you describe are THE UNDER CLASS! Understand the concept my dear.

^ I DID! You still don't seem to know what the Middle Class is.

^^ You need to go back over your understanding of 'class', my dear. What you describe there is the 'underclass'. Marcus, don't be a dullard saaxib. You've got a potentially good topic there but you spoilt it with your lack of style and limited debating ability. Take two… Class!

That show, though disturbing, was aimed at a British based audience. Told me nothing I didn't know already. Ah! I tell a lie. It did reveal the dedication and hard work of that Somali doctor and his assistants. As you were.

^^ To be able to forget is one of man's greatest skills. Beside, since Africa is depressed and depressing this would be one of those rare chances when you get to see hundreds of happy Africans all in one place. Don't miss it. ps Should you not be on an Airplane by now, Cadaan? Make it here in one piece and I might think about being your tourist guide.

^^ For the avoidance of doubt, when I wrote my last reply I had no idea of the war of words you two have been having for the past few threads. Needless to say, I'm not in agreement with either of you here. There is a third way, but lets talk about it when you're done with this entertaining tussle.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: A & T, all are deserved smack-downs! Baashi, A & T is a disturbed character. He is after Sharif for no other than the reasonable position the good Sheekh took regarding somlai conflict. There are others in this forum who will come out soon in support of such character assasinations in the name of resistane and liberations. I wrote the following TWO YEARS ago and the Courts (with Sh. Ahmed) are still the same old bumbling group. posted November 02, 2006 09:43 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RC, The Courts are the flavour of the month nowadays. It's not difficult to understand why people are supporting them. Deep in my heart of hearts I too wish, pray and hope that they turn out to be what they claim to be. However, I'm doubtful, cynical and unsure about them. What increases my unease about this whole thing is that in the few months that the ICU have been hogging the Somali political scene their loyal supporters have not sought to enlighten us about them or draw us a solid picture of how they expect them to maintain the peace in Somalia. Everything I've heard so far has been done as a reaction to events and not as part of a proper plan and suitable strategy! Whenever I read what the understandable questions that those opposing the courts have asked, I always saw the same old replies: The courts have brought peace and order, etc. Yet, I know and you know that this is not enough. After all, this is exactly the same argument that I've been having with the Somaliland people about that country. They too used the argument of peace and order and how different they were from the rest of Somalia! When one removes emotions out of the equation, peace and order alone is not enough. Those in Somaliland had it for sixteen years and still did not get any recognition! I always believed that the reason for that was the lack of a coherent strategy and I suspect that the downfall of the Courts will also come as a result of a lack of strategy. Then again, maybe I'm wrong and maybe there is a real plan in play that we are not being told about! Like I said in a previous thread already, give the Courts eighteen months and if they're still in the ascendancy then they'll be worth one's support and if they're not, well, we await the next new group to claim authority over Somalia. It is politics and a man is judged by the positions he takes. If people character assassinate the man, it is because of his deeds and actions. It may be unfair because his intentions all along might have been good but intentions don't matter, it's deeds that does. The man has been a total failure and should (in all honesty) depart from the political arena.

^^ Not you too!

I am going.

United to lose 10-0.

NOTHING wrong with plastic flowers, ayeeyo. They last forever.

Originally posted by Malika: Lol..Ngonge there is a saying in swahili for this kind of scenerio.."Usicheze na umbwa atakufata msikitini".. Sumu ya neno ni neno...

^^ The little white thing is a lapel pin for their respective flags, badow yaho.

Smelly students.

Marc, you're a smelly student, saaxib. You are allowed to call me old.

^^ I don't say hello to students, smelly.

The two presidents are wearing the same tie! Hmmmm.

^^ It was not a defence. I would not defend Marcus even if my life depended on it. Calm down and read the words slowly. He does not care. All he did was repeat the same point. I dismiss everything on the basis of practicality, dear Xiin. All is fair in love and war and the to the victor the spoils. Sentimentality never comes into it. It's politics, saaxib.

Are you a student, cl? Only students are allowed to refer to me with the words old man.

^^ And again: Heh!

^^

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: quote:Originally posted by MARC: Sool and Sanaag are part of Somaliland and the defined map of Somaliland is testament to this fact, yet in recent years these parts of Somaliland have had a tendency to lean towards the corrupt dictatorship of Puntland. These regions are integral to the existence of Somaliland and we should do our utmost to save guard their existence as part of Somaliland. There is even talk of these villages choosing Puntland over our government. So what are we to do in this debacle? There needs to be a demographic transition. We need to take people from the heavily populated parts of Somaliland, i.e. Hargesia and Burco and other urban centres and relocate them to these disputed territories. We need to put in place a policy of displacement and make sure that somalilanders constitute the majority of the populations in these regions . That way there will be no calls for these regions to secede into their own federated governments. We must not compromise the territorial integrity of Somaliland. A video of this topic will be posted soon. Marc is utterly at loss on this one! There are a lot of SOLers who smoke secessionists’ pipe but none has thus far suggested what this young man is suggesting. With such willingness to resort to the sort of mass displacement he proposed above to restore/preserve SL majesty, Marc is officially a Diaspora Warlord! To be fair there are a lot of SOLers with disturbing views, but majority of them are followers of their own warlords. Marc is different. He is not following any warlord. He is the Warlord--- a Northern Warlord! In your haste to accuse the man of being this and that you forget that he clearly does not care what the other side thinks or feels. For him and from his point of view, this is an acceptable solution. Of course it's not practical and is hardly going to work (not unless there is a strong economic reason for such a migration). Still, the Somaliland government seems to have hit on a better plan and that plan is working to perfection. You could say they borrowed it from their old colonial rulers. Divide and conquer and all that...

Turns out they're all smelly students and they have exams, saaxib.