Originally posted by Socod_badne: quote:Originally posted by The Rendez-vous: Muslims are targeted for not dressing sexually like the followers of Paul, and the Western society. Where? I haven't noticed any campaign here in Canada intended to cajole muslims to eschew their attire for Bikinis. Are you making this up? I am just stereo-typing my own but check what this Somali lady concluded from Toronto...what do u know about the word "cajole".. "you're right on all accounts; USA has twisted the term 'freedom' to fit their own definition and have manipulated many into buying into this new form of 'freedom'.as it stands... you're no longer free if you're actually covering yourself..."why cover when you can 'freely' flash a bit of skin here and there" Cant do much about it can you? besides ofcourse educating yourself and those around you.. Unless you are living in "your own" Canada .. or you think you are the only one living over there, anywayz

We are officially in the season of Bikini Christianity, and Muslims are targeted for not dressing sexually like the followers of Paul, and the Western society. Christianity has given birth to the social corruptions by offering a “free ticket to Heavenâ€. There is no other explanation for the high rate of crime, murder, rape, and fornication. All of these evils destroy the possibility of world peace, and the reason why Christians sin because they believe Jesus “died for their sinsâ€. The Christian women are commanded to dress modestly in accordance with Biblical teachings (1 Tim. 2:9, 1 Pet. 3:3-4) Islam is the religion that prevents rape; it upholds the dignity and honor of women by commanding them to cover themselves. Women in Islam are not oppressed, but only the Christian women are oppressing themselves by dressing half-naked. There is probably more emphasis on sex in America today than in any nation in history. American life is saturated with an unnatural and unhealthy emphasis on sex. (Smiley Blanton, Arthur Gordon, Now or Never, p. 189) An Encyclopedia for stopping Christian Propagandas

Originally posted by Devilangle: Modesty....Don’t get mad at me because u choose 2 let men or ppl walk all over u… if u r oppressed by choice don’t blame our MEN for it!!!! .. So …when u talk about somlian women are oppressed, u sure are talking about me.. and im happy 2 say, im not…. . furthermore, when u say that men r the reason for that oppression…. u certainly talking about my Dad (god bless his soul), my brothers, and my uncles and none of them treat their woman any less than they deserve ..key word : deserve !!!!! … so… is it really worth 2 have a discussion over personal crisis that is disguised as General crisis ??? Devil..Take it easy.Mod was just "pouring" some kind of stress that she has at the moment.Mod, sis maxaa kugu dhacay..? Laakin Originally posted by Didi Kong: Rendezvous if I were then surely you would have been a part of it. I am not your relative, so how do I fit in your composition.. I repeat....

Originally posted by Didi Kong: Modesty abaayo majority Somali men are dayuus/khaniis/saqajaan/weak personality nymphos,lazy/bum/welfarerecepient/dropout/darbijiif, qabilist/qat-chewer/close-minded, liar/cheat/two-timer/criminal etc. . May be you are talking about yourself and your family..Is that correct Some people have stopped reasoning..

^There are some good wadaads who want peace and they made sure that people listen to them..They are rite now good for the population..By restoring Peace... US is worried that, this is another form of democracy it has NEVER known with muslims..

Originally posted by Mr. Red Sea: darn those Sheekhis, they are banning everything. they took away our tribal gangsters, no beer, no partying, and now to top it off no porn can be viewed. so what will they do next, take away our our property in which we inherited from the couples that we murdered last year perhaps? and the wives they took by force...

How many people read this kind of threads..

Originally posted by The Rendez-vous: Originally posted by Modesty: OBSERVATION NO.1 I've made lots of observations, and I have concluded that most Somali men are oppressive to women. They basically view women as second class citizens. Not only in Somalia, but also in the west.Alot of these views that men have about somali women is basically what they say is from the religion, yet most of them don't even know alot about the deen. ADVICE 1: First of all, all praise to Allah s.w.The issue raised by Sis Modesty has a great impact on this forums and will NEVER be sidelined.Nevertheless, Modesty, on your part, please also STOP generalizing all somalis as same.Many somalis of our time, that is the 21st Century, especially, Men/women are modern in their faith (Imaan) and put great emphasis on their religion, the true faith that exist and continues to exist. Please Click here: Read the status of Women In Islam first before writing thread against Somalis(men/women) who are 99.9% Muslims OBSERVATION NO.2 For example, men are served first in everything, from food to getting other things done. Men are held in a pedestal and women are treated like they are insignificant. For example, why is it somali restaurants, they allow men to sit in the well lit areas, the cleaner areas with the t.v., yet women have to sit in a hole that's unhygenic, and bore lighting (yes, I have experienced this, and I was hungry so I ate there anyways ). ADVICE 2.: Because of you talked of something simple, Please also talk about the way Muslim women, Somalis included are given priviledges when it comes to transport systems..which is also simple.They are allocated the best seats near the driver in a bus, when they want to alight from the bus, they use the front door while us, men, are squeezed in the back of the bus,..I remeber sitting on women reserved seat and standing later for the women who come afterwards. Many Somali ladies I have seen are treated like queens by their partners, unless you are talking about your own experience, which is by far, a personal problem..assume that, they are treating you bad..you can't say that for all my sisters, my lady relatives and my Mum.. OBSERVATION NO.3 Men can do what they want, no one criticizes them, and when I usually say "no one" I mean the women, yes the women are the ones who are propagating this oppression on themselves by allowing this to happen to them.Females are treated like crap basically, and they think this treatment is okay, they actually believe they are "free", and criticize western women and how they are oppressed, even though I do believe they aren't very free, I also believe they have more freedoms then somali women. ADVICE 3..: That is NEVER the truth.In Islam, you believe like I do, that, God Allah s.w will judge everyone according to his deeds.When Somalis criticize, (I have a personal problem with some few somali men), Islam advises us to correct what we muslims deem wrong and keep advising each other...It is written in one Ayah of the Holy Quraan that " Please click here to read this Statement: You are the best of the nations raised up for (the benefit of) men, you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and believe in Allah. but that doesn't mean, we criticize to the point of making someone feel hurt..No..We need to give advise to our fallen(Lapsed) muslims like Ayaan Hirsi, who will digest and find their mistakes from what we quote from the quraan If you Click here, You will be Shown: How women are treated very badly in Other religions and Ayaan Hirsi Lied about Islam A famous saying of The Prophet is "It is the generous (in character) who is good to women, and it is the wicked who insults them." OBSERVATION NO.4 The clothes of the women is more probed, it's sometimes annoying, do I have to drag 50 feet of cloth to be considered a chaste woman? ADVICE 4.: Muslim women, Somali women included are supposed to be modest like their Men...While Somalis have the attitude of irritating some few somali women who wear semi-nude...or "awkwardly" to be precise, It is advisable to atleast wear modest based on the limits set by your God...don't worry about What Somalis say.....Just have faith in your God, Allah s.w and follow your religion properly. Click here: This Somali lady will explain more:One somali Hijaabeeeeeee OBSERVATION NO.5 Ridiculous is all I have to say. In my opinion, the majority of Somali women are oppressed, and they are allowing this to happen to themselves. ADVICE 5.: Please have some seriousness when talking about generalization...when talking about our old somali culture...or our Religion Islam...Never talk about many people..Men here are also advised to know that our Prophet S.a.w used to say "... quote: Prophet Muhammad. (P) said: The best of you is the best to his family and I am the best among you to my family. The most perfect believers are the best in conduct and best of you are those who are best to their wives. (Ibn-Hanbal, No. 7396) Behold, many women came to Muhammad's wives complaining against their husbands (because they beat them) - - those (husbands) are not the best of you. he told his Sahabas If Somalis are not following Islam..Then that is a different Case altogether.. Originally posted by Modesty: Endeavor, why shouldn't I eat at a restaurant? Am I not entitled like any "somali man" to go to any restaurant? Like I said, we don't even recognize oppression even if it poked us in the eye socket! did u read that anyways?

^True.. To be precise, the wadaads did a "good thing" in stopping showing of "Porn" to youngsters thereby breaking many homes and destroying the roots of families... So where is the "Lawyer" of the "Video porn club"..

From the Archives... Originally posted by The Rendez-vous: Originally posted by Modesty: OBSERVATION NO.1 I've made lots of observations, and I have concluded that most Somali men are oppressive to women. They basically view women as second class citizens. Not only in Somalia, but also in the west.Alot of these views that men have about somali women is basically what they say is from the religion, yet most of them don't even know alot about the deen. ADVICE 1: First of all, all praise to Allah s.w.The issue raised by Sis Modesty has a great impact on this forums and will NEVER be sidelined.Nevertheless, Modesty, on your part, please also STOP generalizing all somalis as same.Many somalis of our time, that is the 21st Century, especially, Men/women are modern in their faith (Imaan) and put great emphasis on their religion, the true faith that exist and continues to exist. Please Click here: Read the status of Women In Islam first before writing thread against Somalis(men/women) who are 99.9% Muslims OBSERVATION NO.2 For example, men are served first in everything, from food to getting other things done. Men are held in a pedestal and women are treated like they are insignificant. For example, why is it somali restaurants, they allow men to sit in the well lit areas, the cleaner areas with the t.v., yet women have to sit in a hole that's unhygenic, and bore lighting (yes, I have experienced this, and I was hungry so I ate there anyways ). ADVICE 2.: Because of you talked of something simple, Please also talk about the way Muslim women, Somalis included are given priviledges when it comes to transport systems..which is also simple.They are allocated the best seats near the driver in a bus, when they want to alight from the bus, they use the front door while us, men, are squeezed in the back of the bus,..I remeber sitting on women reserved seat and standing later for the women who come afterwards. Many Somali ladies I have seen are treated like queens by their partners, unless you are talking about your own experience, which is by far, a personal problem..assume that, they are treating you bad..you can't say that for all my sisters, my lady relatives and my Mum.. OBSERVATION NO.3 Men can do what they want, no one criticizes them, and when I usually say "no one" I mean the women, yes the women are the ones who are propagating this oppression on themselves by allowing this to happen to them.Females are treated like crap basically, and they think this treatment is okay, they actually believe they are "free", and criticize western women and how they are oppressed, even though I do believe they aren't very free, I also believe they have more freedoms then somali women. ADVICE 3..: That is NEVER the truth.In Islam, you believe like I do, that, God Allah s.w will judge everyone according to his deeds.When Somalis criticize, (I have a personal problem with some few somali men), Islam advises us to correct what we muslims deem wrong and keep advising each other...It is written in one Ayah of the Holy Quraan that " Please click here to read this Statement: You are the best of the nations raised up for (the benefit of) men, you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and believe in Allah. but that doesn't mean, we criticize to the point of making someone feel hurt..No..We need to give advise to our fallen(Lapsed) muslims like Ayaan Hirsi, who will digest and find their mistakes from what we quote from the quraan If you Click here, You will be Shown: How women are treated very badly in Other religions and Ayaan Hirsi Lied about Islam A famous saying of The Prophet is "It is the generous (in character) who is good to women, and it is the wicked who insults them." OBSERVATION NO.4 The clothes of the women is more probed, it's sometimes annoying, do I have to drag 50 feet of cloth to be considered a chaste woman? ADVICE 4.: Muslim women, Somali women included are supposed to be modest like their Men...While Somalis have the attitude of irritating some few somali women who wear semi-nude...or "awkwardly" to be precise, It is advisable to atleast wear modest based on the limits set by your God...don't worry about What Somalis say.....Just have faith in your God, Allah s.w and follow your religion properly. Click here: This Somali lady will explain more:One somali Hijaabeeeeeee OBSERVATION NO.5 Ridiculous is all I have to say. In my opinion, the majority of Somali women are oppressed, and they are allowing this to happen to themselves. ADVICE 5.: Please have some seriousness when talking about generalization...when talking about our old somali culture...or our Religion Islam...Never talk about many people..Men here are also advised to know that our Prophet S.a.w used to say "... quote: Prophet Muhammad. (P) said: The best of you is the best to his family and I am the best among you to my family. The most perfect believers are the best in conduct and best of you are those who are best to their wives. (Ibn-Hanbal, No. 7396) Behold, many women came to Muhammad's wives complaining against their husbands (because they beat them) - - those (husbands) are not the best of you. he told his Sahabas If Somalis are not following Islam..Then that is a different Case altogether..

Originally posted by Modesty: OBSERVATION NO.1 I've made lots of observations, and I have concluded that most Somali men are oppressive to women. They basically view women as second class citizens. Not only in Somalia, but also in the west.Alot of these views that men have about somali women is basically what they say is from the religion, yet most of them don't even know alot about the deen. ADVICE 1: First of all, all praise to Allah s.w.The issue raised by Sis Modesty has a great impact on this forums and will NEVER be sidelined.Nevertheless, Modesty, on your part, please also STOP generalizing all somalis as same.Many somalis of our time, that is the 21st Century, especially, Men/women are modern in their faith (Imaan) and put great emphasis on their religion, the true faith that exist and continues to exist. Please Click here: Read the status of Women In Islam first before writing thread against Somalis(men/women) who are 99.9% Muslims OBSERVATION NO.2 For example, men are served first in everything, from food to getting other things done. Men are held in a pedestal and women are treated like they are insignificant. For example, why is it somali restaurants, they allow men to sit in the well lit areas, the cleaner areas with the t.v., yet women have to sit in a hole that's unhygenic, and bore lighting (yes, I have experienced this, and I was hungry so I ate there anyways ). ADVICE 2.: Because of you talked of something simple, Please also talk about the way Muslim women, Somalis included are given priviledges when it comes to transport systems..which is also simple.They are allocated the best seats near the driver in a bus, when they want to alight from the bus, they use the front door while us, men, are squeezed in the back of the bus,..I remeber sitting on women reserved seat and standing later for the women who come afterwards. Many Somali ladies I have seen are treated like queens by their partners, unless you are talking about your own experience, which is by far, a personal problem..assume that, they are treating you bad..you can't say that for all my sisters, my lady relatives and my Mum.. OBSERVATION NO.3 Men can do what they want, no one criticizes them, and when I usually say "no one" I mean the women, yes the women are the ones who are propagating this oppression on themselves by allowing this to happen to them.Females are treated like crap basically, and they think this treatment is okay, they actually believe they are "free", and criticize western women and how they are oppressed, even though I do believe they aren't very free, I also believe they have more freedoms then somali women. ADVICE 3..: That is NEVER the truth.In Islam, you believe like I do, that, God Allah s.w will judge everyone according to his deeds.When Somalis criticize, (I have a personal problem with some few somali men), Islam advises us to correct what we muslims deem wrong and keep advising each other...It is written in one Ayah of the Holy Quraan that " Please click here to read this Statement: You are the best of the nations raised up for (the benefit of) men, you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and believe in Allah. but that doesn't mean, we criticize to the point of making someone feel hurt..No..We need to give advise to our fallen(Lapsed) muslims like Ayaan Hirsi, who will digest and find their mistakes from what we quote from the quraan If you Click here, You will be Shown: How women are treated very badly in Other religions and Ayaan Hirsi Lied about Islam A famous saying of The Prophet is "It is the generous (in character) who is good to women, and it is the wicked who insults them." OBSERVATION NO.4 The clothes of the women is more probed, it's sometimes annoying, do I have to drag 50 feet of cloth to be considered a chaste woman? ADVICE 4.: Muslim women, Somali women included are supposed to be modest like their Men...While Somalis have the attitude of irritating some few somali women who wear semi-nude...or "awkwardly" to be precise, It is advisable to atleast wear modest based on the limits set by your God...don't worry about What Somalis say.....Just have faith in your God, Allah s.w and follow your religion properly. Click here: This Somali lady will explain more:One somali Hijaabeeeeeee OBSERVATION NO.5 Ridiculous is all I have to say. In my opinion, the majority of Somali women are oppressed, and they are allowing this to happen to themselves. ADVICE 5.: Please have some seriousness when talking about generalization...when talking about our old somali culture...or our Religion Islam...Never talk about many people..Men here are also advised to know that our Prophet S.a.w used to say "... Prophet Muhammad. (P) said: The best of you is the best to his family and I am the best among you to my family. The most perfect believers are the best in conduct and best of you are those who are best to their wives. (Ibn-Hanbal, No. 7396) Behold, many women came to Muhammad's wives complaining against their husbands (because they beat them) - - those (husbands) are not the best of you. he told his Sahabas If Somalis are not following Islam..Then that is a different Case altogether..

Originally posted by Modesty: I've made lots of observations, and I have concluded that most Somali men are oppressive to women. They basically view women as second class citizens. Not only in Somalia, but also in the west. do u mean all men....or what are your rants about..I am the opposite of what you wrote in those paragraphs and mind you... Never talk for somali men again.. You have JUST started knowing Somali men...you think we are 70 years back..

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^ Waryaa kaa caraysiiyey! Fighting indecency is part of your faith. You may not like Courts’ heavy-handedness style, but you can’t argue against putting stop on this culturally/religiously improper material. It’s a common sense. NGONGE, Somalia does have digital receivers and satellite dishes but that hardly deems Courts’ anti-indecency activity ineffective or futile. The media and some fellows described it as Islamic militias "ban" the world cup..It wasn't the world cup they were against, it was these kind of films.

Originally posted by rokko: quote:Originally posted by Warsan: if you bend backward for a man, he's going to shove you down and walk all over you. rubbish Warsan (splendid name BTW) husband should lead and wife should follow…unconditionally it is the natural way dee who talked about a mental institute...Rokko..I beg you join in..

Originally posted by Socod_badne: I bet my pic is better than all of yours. Say Hello to sister perpetual! SB you mean that nuns and christians also keep modesty same as what Islam teaches.. Then why are people against us keeping modesty..?

This topic of Women transcends all barriers of our life. It is understood that women are the pillars of our communities.They strive with our children, our young ones, our kids, the ones we love so much.They reproduce our offsprings which without them, there will be extinction. We need to treat them with kindness, trust and with open hearts.Love them, cherish and value them. Our religion is by far the most outspoken piece for them and even the Prophet (as) once said: "Paradise is in the feet of your Mothers".. So be careful to treat them with utmost kindness.Be it your mother, wives, sisters, cousins, relatives or any other woman.

oh Thanks

Originally posted by Hayam: cheap isnt it. But then again, they werent exactly super models Hayaam xisho please...the percentage of modest people is 97% here in Dubai unless you saw one incident..happening... and waleee adigaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? you were really keeping your ear.. Never talk about them ....there are others like me who have joined the old school...left the old school and are happy.. We need not discuss about them...were you still listening? That was just the broker anywayzzz.. Northerner, Welcome..I work in Sharjah and I can help one way or the other..Keep it real

^You see just too far and that is ok... Lily, The "Somali Dhaqan" ceases to go away..Imagine we shifted from Somalia 120 years ago and we still the same somalis even in kenya.. So how does the "Dhaqan" go away? Unless you are running away from your Dhaqan itself.. n You know what swahilis say in their proverbs.. "Mwacha Mila ni mtumwa"..He who leaves his "Dhaqan" gonna be a slave.. That is what we are almost..

Story keeps Updated here Whether propaganda or bullshit...keep following the stories here

Originally posted by Saynab: [QB]... This picnic in the park is an excellent way for us to congregate, play games (poker, football, basketball...etc.) network, form discussion groups and socialise....and also enjoy some Soul Somali Food. Bariis iyo Basto Somali! It will be some great family and friends quality times. So please do take part in the picnic and bring some food and drinks. Very great Idea of doing things..

The Source In life and love, you may think you're supposed to always focus on the positive instead of the negative. However, unless you become aware of your own hurtful attitudes or actions -- so that you can correct them -- your chances of staying in love 'til death do you part are close to zero. To have your marriage last a lifetime, avoid these 10 common mistakes: 1. Talking "at" instead of "with" your mate. Let his or her body language be your guide. When you're talking "at" your partner, he or she will tense up. When you're talking "with" your spouse, he or she will relax. 2. Tuning out -- instead of tuning in -- to what your mate is saying. When you mind begins to wander, stop and remember that what your partner is saying is important to him or her. 3. Forgetting to thank your mate. Not thanking your spouse for being considerate, thoughtful or kind makes him or her feel unappreciated and foolish for caring about you. even if your mate did something as simple as remembering to wash the laundry or cook dinner or pay an outstanding bill. although it may be generally "considered as a duty", it is not. In fact the main duty in a marriage is to make the other person happy, for most people, ultimately that does not necessary have to do with chores or bills. 4. Getting defensive instead of saying, "I'm sorry." When you mess up, the sooner you sincerely say, "I'm sorry," or "I was wrong," the sooner your mate can stop resenting you. 5. Always saying, "I'm sorry," yet never changing. An apology buys you another chance. However, if you keep making the same mistake, apologies not only seem empty, but annoying as well. 6. Being repeatedly late. Frequently keeping your partner waiting is not only inconsiderate, it's arrogant. 7. Playing the victim. This behavior not only accuses your spouse of hurting you, but adds insult to injury by implying that he or she is doing it intentionally, when that may not be the case. not everyone has the same capacity of receiving accusations, so it is safest not to jump and accuse your mate of having bad intentions, even if they have repeated similar mistakes in the past. 8. Jumping to conclusions. Presuming that you know what your partner feels -- and why -- without first getting all the facts is only going to push him or her away. 9. Badmouthing your spouse behind his or her back. This not only adds to the list of secrets you keep from your mate, but also tells others how little you respect your partner. 10. Thinking that doing something once is enough. If you only temporarily stop making the above mistakes -- and don't continue to monitor yourself to keep from slipping back into bad habits -- If your spouse was satisfied with that last boquet of roses you bought her or that last set of golf clubs you got him, all signs point to the fact that giving and receiving gifts is a good thing. So keep it up! you're teasing your partner with changing one time and going to the same old song and dance. You're also kidding yourself that you're committed to improving your marriage, when really you're not.

Originally posted by Modesty: why is it that somali parents, especially single mother's don't understand their kids? When I say "somali parents" i don't mean all parents, but the ones I have encountered. .... I think our generation should change this pattern of parenting, and start supporting our children instead of saying everything is "ceeb" and giving them smug looks at their dreams. When you see the mud that is , Somalis coming from the far off lands especially the west, you will realize that there is a problem with parenting. You will find kids who are hopeless.Yacni as in identity crisis.You ask anything about his family, he knows only his father and mother.Ask him/her about his uncles/aunts, ask him/her about Islam, his/her religion, they know that, there are people called Muslims who pray..Ask where they face to when praying, he says ..Just this way..Pointing to that specific place..He/she don't know the Qiblah by name. Expect that kid to nurture his own kid then...That is a whole generation of families that is LOST.. Allahu Aclam..

To add on just this thread, See their website.. Our users have posted a total of 37 articles We have 19 registered users The newest registered user is mj In total there are 3 users online :: 0 Registered, 0 Hidden and 3 Guests [ Administrator ] [ Moderator ] Most users ever online was 7 on Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:29 am Registered Users: None That is what they normally do...They are a frustrated lot with the expansion of islam to Japan and Latin America and reaching almost all the world. Many of the so called ex-muslims also are "Cheap"..I remember the African Inland Church used to give some $1000(One thousand Dollars) to this so called ex-muslims..so that is why..Never waste your time and energy. I am sorry for them.

I am going to my basic.. This is wonderful