Does anyone speak english anymore in this corner :rolleyes:

Adam: I think you misunderstood me, what I mean is that for those in the north they would move further away (even the neutral ones or the unsure ones) if Morgan was elected. Simply because it would be recreating the circumstances that led to their previous abuse. The argument in the north would not be based on Morgan is a warlord, but rather how are we expected to come under the rule of the same individuals who massacred us and we fought against to remove. The outrage/protest would not be simple as result of seeing a criminal being put into a high position, but rather one who has the history of Morgan. As for comparison between Morgan and Riyaal, I explained two pages back WHY the civilians attitude is different towards them. Qalibi Adgey, as usual you are slightly lost. If morgan is selected it would only alienate people in the north further and legitimise the call of those who seek a separate state. If you cannot see that from your position then get some glasses.

^^^Not unless he has fake pictures up

^^ Sheekayad aay kuu toosisanya. Emperor: He was a president of "Somalia" as you kept telling as, the other was one of key characters in a rebel movement. Seriously this is pointless argument. There is nothing to defend or even argue about, you are comparing a so called head of state with all the state resources to a guerilla warfare.

Emperor: Who is arguing with you about his history :confused: he was part of a rebel movement, I think he is even quite proud of that too. But your argument of comparing Yey and Silaanyo does not wash, nor is the TFG equivalent to SNM. As for the Borame and Sool, aah here we go again, we can go around all you want, but in the Somali context no one is innocent. They say two wrongs don’t make a right, but I guess emotions overrides at times. Are some life’s worth more than others?? You say this is not about Barre, actually it is, because the reason Sool and Booame which you are so quick to mention was on opposite side of the conflict was because of him. Did the history books only start with a rebel movements reactions? I don’t think so and the crimes committed by all parties are also documented, that does not by any means justify the reaction. P.s. Btw SNM did not have a single leader, it had a decentralized and fluid structure. Silaanyo was not in Boorame or Sool nor was he commanding a unit over these areas, but by all means attach the crimes to him.

Paragon: SO why did you pick on JB supposed intentions without pointing out Emperors deviation from topic and his obvious wrong outburst. Is that gacaan hiillo?? :confused: Indeed lets move on. P.s. I'm not child, I don't and never needed anyone egg me on, I had a view regardless of whether JB laughs or ciirka qaabto. :cool: Emperor: Lool @ Ibtisam, you almost looked like you got me there, but Siilaanyo too was a warlord and a traitor, he sought the support of Ethiopia and led SNM rebel movement commiting crimes against humanity. That's your hero, thus you should throw stones if you live in a house made of glass.... Ooh haadan kuu faaham, you are still mad about Barre's down fall as result of the "rebel movement commited crimes against humanity", which of course Barre never did. :rolleyes:

^^^Paragon I was not expecting that from you, as one of the sain individuals in SOL, I expect nothing but the truth from you. Emperor for years was advertising and campaigning for a bunch on warlords who brought Ethiopia to Somalia, and then NOW after all that he and co want to talk about traitors and warlords. Even worse, he is mocking SL for being a clan enclave, err the man is now campaigning for Puntland, what is that :confused: surely not a democratic, multi clan and multi cultural state.

^^^Emperor, surely they guy who supported Yey and the TFG is not talking about warlords and traitors

^^^I doubt you would want that, knowing you, you would get bored and be like Waar niiku shaaqalaan baadaan, maax naa soo hoortakey all the time, It is the first signs of obsessive behavior you- tell her to be careful SS: I like knowing that only me and me have had an input into a decision I've made, and take responsibility for it. Imagine if you got talked into doing something and when it all fails you realise you should not have been doing the said thing to start with. I often observe sisters when they are in a group and they react differently to when you corner them alone, I always think they are more contractive and less emotional and more logically processing information. When they are in a group weye iisu buubuuniyaan. Once there were some ladies in my house, one of them mentioned that her husband was acting up slightly, they told her so many stories about ones who started acting up a little strange and then did some madness, that by the time the lady left my house, I was sure she was going to storm in, infuriated about all the possibilities they offered and start a huge fight. I don’t know what happened after she left my house.

^^^You guys are nuts :eek: LOOOL @ the moon. LOOOL @ Duke: "After all they are Somalis" Here I thinking taan wuu uu tiidi.

JB adgiu once you start to oppose someone, xaadigaa maa siidisiid, particularly if the issue was SL Red sea, you have a point there, I'm tired of reading about Puntland successful elections (why are there 200 threads about this) and SL successful registration (again why don't you just have one thread) and the damn caravan iyo Al shabbab. I propose we just have 5sticky topics under those headings so we don’t have to keep seeing new threads about it. Failing that we should have a sticky thread for JB and Dukey, they can post their daily contributions on there, and anyone who wants to read it can go to JB’s thread ama dukes thread. Failing that, we should all just try to keep to topics.

^^^Maaax diplomacy, niiki meeshi waad kuu qaarxiis eh!

^^^LOl at topic secret, I won't tell anyone. here

^^^^LOOOL Originally posted by juma-nne: If i may ask Norf1 a speculative question. what migh be the strategy? Is it going to happen in Stages? Once the inauguration takes place in Hargeysa Then move the capital to 'Burco' Then invite The south to join him there and BOOM!! The greater somalia is re-estblished no more seccesion I cant wait to see such a blessed 'caravan' eventually landing just next to XIIN'S Doorstep. HAHAHA See even these baby steps sound better than Xiin's jumping ship I like this new kid, only if the south take huge steps between now and then, otherwise he would have a hard time selling that idea to anyone.

It is not harsh, just more anti social I don't make decisions in groups, nor do I need approval or check or discuss anything friend, waxxan toona aya sameye, then I tell them some months after the fact, If I mess up, oh well I start again. I think that’s why I get on better with men. Yeah people do have different expectation of friends. I don't mind listening or giving feed back if I am asked.

"ME" Xagaad kaa dacadey?? I wrote some notes for you during the weekend. Some of their ancestors(the zanja of south-east africa) apparently sOMALI iyo Carab/others ba adonsatey. Hence why you have SOmali Bantus in SOmalia. That is a somali rumour to belittle certain sects of our society.

Ibti, morgan has no place in somali politics. Siilaanyo, as a leader of a vast land, should. This should not cause burning. I strongly disagree with the scare tactic sister. Politicians use it all the time. A. Yusuf used it in a different way. It never works. Why people burn each other if a reasoble settlement engineered by one of thier own is achieved. Of course Siilaanyo should prudent to estimate the pulse of his people and what would be a swallowble deal for them. Either you are pulling my chains or you are very idealistic atheer.

^^^Waaxas waa too much trouble. I know when I need help and I know when I should ask for help. I'm not an idi*ot. True friendship is knowing your place and keeping your silence till lugu weyediyo. That is being supportive. Given automatically is like you mum and dad or whoever in your family who insist on stick their nose in when you get in trouble

^^Risk in human life is not the same as financial risk Xiin, you know that very well.I believe in calculated risks Ciyaar taa jooji, you are effectively arguing, lets burn the last pieces for something very far. I think it will just burn the pieces and send us back to the 1990s. P.s. Also Silaanyo being a SNM veteran, I would like to see how that goes down when he mixes with his former enemies. Can you imagin Morgan and Silaanyo trying to make something work :eek:

^^YEs I am , if Morgan is giving a high position or president in the coming Somali elections, it will be the best news for the SL supporters and their quest for distance.

North, I met his wife by accident, does that count??

AfricaOWn why are you so angry?? I wish you would stop underestimating your own people, why do you assume that they can be so easily manipulated with few rumours?? :confused: What you are arguing for, is so fragile that it will fall apart because of few posts and rumours online?? :confused: Of course Xiin like many others is against your movement, but people in your movement surely have more conviction than you are giving them credit for, have faith in them. They will make their choice regardless of what the diaspora community think or speculate on. Xiin; Why should he? :confused: Taken into consideration the Somali Political make up and the current situation, he will inevitable be loser in the end, possible at a enormous cost to him and people in the north.

Xiin; imagin IF Siilaanyo switched now, he would be a laughing sock all over and he would lose all credibility and face both from northerners and southern, he would just be seen as an opportunist and he would lose at both ends. The truth is he is not going anywhere now, because there is no better alternative for him to switch to, why should he make such big scarifies only to insulted and demeaned or worse used as a stick to beat his own people. Maybe if Somalia politicians was offering better terms then simply trying to topple the peaceful regions or preoccupied with clan equations.

Xiin, it is akin to being dragged in the mud haad, maybe another time, another try, but not haada. Pluz I was talking about Dahabshiil, he could not be a politician even if he wanted to.

^^You cannot have a private business if you from the Norther clans, you must be dragged through the mud.