guleed_ali;989164 wrote: I saw this on another site Dr. Oz.. Conventional economics are always trying to find ways to mitigate risk in the economy. This type of aggressive activity usually ends up back firing. Just look at the U.S and euro zone. Africans have always traded with various currencies and done well. People should stop trying to reinvent the wheel and just shut up and trade. Financial engineering is the worst thing that happened to the free market. You and Dr Kenny have put this very well. These people seem to have learnt nothing from the Euro Crisis.

Kaluun;989081 wrote: What do you have against Habeshi? Silanyo's ancestral mother was an honorable Habeshi woman. We are not only celebrating the man he is but also our heritage, our ancestry, their legacy and their seeds. "Somali" was only openly conceived in the 14th century. Aniga war kale soo wada lakin in the next topic soon Insha Allah. I will explain the connection between the word Somali, Duria Republic and Silanyo's ancestral maternal uncles. Its coming up in the next installment. Ato means Mr. Every day Silanyo is addressed as Mr and Dr----these are English terms. Why is English more holy than Amharic? As far as I am concerned in SL both are foreign tongues but with Amharic not only a neighbour but with Silanyo, his ancestral mother probably spoke that. You guys remind me of those old Somali mothers that say 'rap music is Haram lakin Somali music is okay' This is what Durriyadda has been reduced to. Pathetic Xabashi lover.

Cadale, does moory@annimo run in these people's blood?

Madoobe should know that justice starts at home. Yes, be fair to all the groups in Jubbooyinka, but be fair to your own as well.

^^^ One of my favourites. I prefer Walk off the Earth's cover though:

guleed_ali;989016 wrote: Then let's not force kids to eat their veggies or do their homework. Better yet let's get rid of curfew or chores. The deen is not something where you can pick and choose. If there are people who despise the Hijab and don't want to wear it they're the exception not the rule. Making the Hijab mandatory in a Muslim country is the same as indecency laws in North America (we just have a higher level of modesty, just as some States have a higher level of modesty than other States). Our opinions as outsiders are moot what matters is the will of the people in that particular country and their lawmakers, and one's got to admit it is way more than the typical 50+1 that is required in "democracy" (using the KSA as a test country). By the way you find just as many Women (if not more) fighting to enforce the Hijab as you do Men. Exactly. The truth is one and Islam is one. You cannot pick and chose as you like. Either you submit and accept and get the reward, or you reject and get the punishment if Allah wills. Whoever does righteousness - it is for his [own] soul; and whoever does evil [does so] against it. And your Lord is not ever unjust to [His] servants. Islam is our religion and the hijab is a part of our faith. We will not bend and twist our deen to satisfy the whims of the liberalists and the secularists.

Safferz;989030 wrote: I did not forget Haatu Fig.1 - cute Somali kids I wanted to start a thread where we can discuss and perhaps complicate the idea of Somalis as a homogenous unit, imagined to be egalitarian, nomadic pastoralists with a shared religious, cultural, ethnic/racial, and linguistic background that together create a coherent conception of who and what a Somali is. This idea of a unified Soomaalinimo/Somaliness is something that underpinned the anticolonial nationalist movements across the Somali territories (1943-1960), the first postcolonial civilian government of the Somali Youth League (1960-1969), and the state ideology of the Siyaad Barre regime (1969-1991), and as we all know it was among the many casualties of the civil war, and the concept of Soomaalinimo - and the possibility of a 'naturally' corresponding/overlapping Somali nation-state - is more contentious and fractured today than ever. So to start off -- could it be that we've always had it wrong? Has this narrative ever been fully accepted by Somalis themselves, or has it been contested from its beginnings despite it being pushed by and legitimized by the state? Have there always been differences, inequalities, and social fault lines suppressed by and subsumed within the unifying ideology of Soomaalinimo? Some of the fault lines that come to mind include ethnicity (ie. the Gosha peoples, or Somali Bantu), caste ("lower" clans), class (peasantry, urbanites, etc), language (Somali, or the Somali languages? I read somewhere there are 40 Somali languages and dialects), gender, land/resource competition (arguably what factional and regional rivalries from the 80s to present are all about, with clan becoming a language for what are fundamentally economic concerns), modes of production (pastoralism, agriculture, merchants, etc), and so on. Fig.2 - Somalia at independence, bal where are the women? To put it simply, can it be said that the Somali crisis is one of contested narratives, identities, and experiences? Answer the poll (in the style of BBC's Doha debates ) and share your thoughts. I have been waiting with eager anticipation First of all, I agree with you on some things and I disagree with you on others. I agree that the political entity called Somalia with its currently internationally recognised borders is an invention of the 1960s. It is arbitrary and unnatural. But let me go on a tangent here. First let me answer the question "What is the Somali nation and what is it based on?". Firstly, a Somali is a member of a homogeneous ethnic group native to East Africa. Genetic evidence has confirmed this and I don't need to go into detail. (Note that I don't include the "Somali Bantu" in this. To me they are Somali nationals, but they are not Somalis ethnically and historically, they are a different people which God has decided for them to live among us today). This Somali is a member of a group by default handed down to him by his/her father. A collection of people who ascribe to this same group (whether or not they share a common ancestor) are the clan. The clan controls the territory the majority of its members live upon (some may live elsewhere). The clan has both political dominion and economic monopoly on this land. The collection of these clans make up the Somali nation and the collection of the clan territories make up the Somali homeland. To simplify, in my opinion a Somali is an individual who belongs to the Somali ethnic group and is part of the clan structure. To sum up, ethnically speaking the Somali are a homogeneous entity. Moving on to the cultural and linguistic aspect. You claim Somalis have different cultures. I like to look at it as variations within ONE culture. For example, the pastoralist Somalis may have some practices unique to them which they do not share with the nomad, but the similarities are such that the nomad will not view it as completely alien. These variations as I term them arose due to as you mentioned different economic activities, farmers and pastoralists. However all this means is that some section of the group adapted to their climate in one way to survive and the other group in another way. Also, you said there around 40 dialects (and what you hastily termed languages) spoken in the Somali homeland. From the little I know, the vast majority of these dialects are mutually intelligible and all have a common ancestor of which the Maay Maay is the purest survivor of. This natural variation in language cannot be extrapolated to mean the Somalis lack homogeneity, but rather all it suggests at is the natural evolution of language which is something not unique to the Somali language. Finally, if I turn my attention to why the Somali Republic collapsed, I disagree with you that the reason was our supposed "differences" but rather a wrong basis for the nation we inherited from the colonisers (it was afterall an entity they carved out). If we look back into history, we will notice that for the majority of Somali history the clan states have been by and large politically independent of each other to some degrees (fiefdoms if you like). These fiefdoms were led by traditionally elected leaders we knew as Garaads, Boqors, Suldaans, Iimaams etc who exercised political sovereignty. Most Somalis were and still are loyal firstly to themselves and secondly to these clan fiefdoms. For most, loyalty to the Somali Republic of 1960 comes in third or fourth place. When the colonisers came, these fiefdoms were rendered obsolete and their political independence dismantled. In its place a European appointed governor came to rule. When independence was achieved, the "founding fathers" followed in the footsteps of the Europeans and sought to create a European style nation-state. What they neglected was the traditional role of the clan fiefdoms and the loyalty its citizenry had for them. The consequence of this was all the political power that was traditionally decentralized across the whole Somali homeland was centralized in one entity known as the Government seated in Muqdisho. In a poor country where little to no economic prospects exist, the Government became the sole conduit for economic development and hence survival for the clans. To become rich and overpower traditional rivals, the clan had to dominate the Government by all means necessary. Fast forward 30 years from 1 July 1960 and the invented Somali Republic collapsed. It did not collapse because its citizens had unbridgeable differences or were mutually exclusive to one another, but rather because an alien form of government was given to a people ill-suited to adapt to its requirements which led to its inevitable collapse. What we see today in Somaliland, Puntland, Jubbaland, Galmudug etc. is the Somalis slowly returning to their "natural" way of governance and any methods initiated by the IC to subterfuge this process will result in inevitable disaster. It is upon those very clan fiefdoms the Somali Republic should have been based upon with power and wealth equally decentralized among them. It is my belief had that been done, not only would have the Somali Republic still be in place today, Jabuuti and S/Galbeed would have joined it also (and maybe NFD). Haddal badan haan ma buuxhsee baa la yiriye haddaan soo koobo, although natural variations and differences exist among them, Soomaali waa mid, waa ul iyo meyrax, mataano weeyoo, meel bey ka wada dhasheen. Wa billaahi towfiiq

Tallaabo;988976 wrote: I wonder why anyone thinks an impeachment of a PM has any effect on any Somali clan as we all know it is only a matter of time before this ugly political drama makes a fresh re-start at election/selection time. It has been just like this for the last decade or more. No one cares about Saacid. I was referring to the general picture he was painting.

Naxar Nugaaleed;988932 wrote: waxkasta ha laga sheego rer khaatumo, Masaakiinta Garissa waanu daana Mashallah markaa.

Xaaji Xunjuf;988921 wrote: Waryaa how can u say they are masaakin they are darwiish who defeated the English and Italians they are far from Masaakin:D Ever since the Sayid died reerka have not been the same. Meel baa laga haystaa ee waa inay isbaaraan. Malaha Taleex baa sixir loogu aasay

Xaaji Xunjuf;988655 wrote: You are really full of your self ,you think you have all the answers keep it down saaxib, there are enough leaders visionary people but sitting with people with south western Somalia is just a waste of time and energy. Do you think Dr Bidaar would not came with this idea he was born in Baydhabo. Xaaji, shoow this Kalluun fella gives a whole new angle to the old adage "sal fududaa ma ii......... baa

Kaluun;988859 wrote: 185 vs 65 = successful kill which translates to intra-war in Jubboyinka, intera-war in Taleeh, intra-karbaashin in dhagaxbuur/shilabo/goday (ONLF vs Liyu), Garisa now fully incorporated into Kikuyu, Duriyada fully consuming SSC. You must be rejoicing your age-old enemy is not doing too well.

Masaakiinta Khaatumo waxaa dulleeyey dulli ka yimi Garowe iyo ku kaloo Hargeysa ka yimi. May Allah be with them.

OdaySomali;988855 wrote: Somali occupational groups... as identity? Maal Soo-maal (he who milks...lives off milk/meat) Biyo-maal (he who lives off water... fisher and/or farmer) Tum-maal (welder/blacksmith/mason lives of his 'hammer') Baaji-maal (potter & clayworker) Midig-maal (muruq-maal) Nice thread but there's another definition for Soo-maal that I think makes more sense and fits with these other words. Soo comes from the old Somali word So' still used in Maay which means meat so the word was originally So'-maal - one who works with meat i.e. a pastoralist. Over time the hamse (') was dropped and it became a softer soo instead of the harsh so' becoming soomaal. OdaySomali;988888 wrote: Do you know what Mudug means? I don't know what Mudug means but Sool means hawd oomane ah (a dry shrubland).

nuune;988382 wrote: isma arkaa Islaamka dhiba ayaan maqli jirey, meelaha aan gaduudiyey oo dhan sidii rati baarqab ah ayaad ku galaangalatey waana khalad ama eray Soomaaliyeed ma ahan, tan kale, goorma ayuu saman noqdey Af Soomaali, ama aakhiro noqotey Af Soomaali, inaad labadaa u soo hesho eray u dhigma adaan kaa sugayaa, mana ku caawinayo, I am sorry Abti, hadaadba sxbkey Nin Yaaban u caga-jugleysay, wax sheeg ma xuma, waxaagu wuxuu ahaa weerar aan laheyn digniin! Xaraf beddelii weligey ma arag inkastoo shibbane la dhihi karo isku micna ma aha. 'Beddel' waxba kama jabna. 'Sax' beddelkeed ma oji. 'Gudagal' wuu ila quman yahay. 'Adduun' gafka ku jiro maba arki. 'baa la isku' baan ula jeeday.

^^^Which is why I hate NGOs. They're dariskunool (parasites).

Alpha is only being nice because he got his pay recently. As a result he's less stressed as he's able to meet his financial obligations. Haddaan hadalka soo koobo (much better than the Arabic calaa...), don't expect this to last I love it how he insults Tallaabo and Wadani though. PS: Cadale, that meme just doubled my headache. I've been suffering with this sh*t since this morning.

Hawdian;988676 wrote: ^ speak for yourself magic bird You're no different to him. It's just you guys have convinced yourself otherwise. Dhalanteed ku waar.

How can that be? The English and Dutch look exactly alike.

Safferz;988690 wrote: Had a nightmare last night, I was a married stay at home mom with three boys, one of my hellspawn had a cold and while I tended to him, one of the other brats started eating paint (which also got all over the carpet). So took him to the hospital - which meant taking the other two because no one finds a sitter on such short notice - the third had a tantrum in the waiting room, and when my husband picked us up after work, he did NOTHING to help and watched TV all evening while I made dinner and put the kids to bed. I was so fat too you guys, it was horrible I once had a prophetic dream as well. I saw myself aged 90 (I somehow knew that was my age). I was lanky and skinny and was bald at the top with hair only on the sides. My hair and eyebrows were all white and I was clean shaven. My long face was wrinkled and slightly drooping. My ears seemed somehow larger. My skintone was still maariin (thank God ). I was wearing a pink shirt and that typical blue/grey macawiis. I was sleeping in the living room of the house I currently live in on a mattress on the floor (why the hell am I still living at home?!?). It was early in the morning and the summer sun was shining through windows. I heard sounds coming from outside as if someone was trying to break in. I fearfully went to the kitchen and looked out the closed window. I checked the gas was turned off and then heard noises from outside the front door. I was now frightened. I went to the lobby and screamed up the stairs "Hooyo, kaalay cadawgeyga iga celi!". It was at this point I realised my Mother was long dead

SomaliPhilosopher;988688 wrote: Oh young Haatu, you have found yourself a pair of balls lately. maxaa cusub? Nothing much. As far as I know I've had balls for 2 decades.

What differences do you see between the qurbojoog Somalis? To me they look normal.

You can preserve your culture the most by writing about it and storing it. Today many people are leaving the countryside for the cities or the West. The work songs, countryside specific vocabulary and much more are all being lost. Some are trying to do their bit and writing books but it's not enough. If you know a work song, do your bit and pick up a pen. Then maybe one day when the Somalis prosper and urbanize we can revive the bits we want.

I think it has to do with the shelter from the sun and the diet which they receive in the West which gives them a more "healthy" look. I've noticed that the people in old videos from Xamar looked much better than the ones you see there today.

SomaliPhilosopher;988664 wrote: This site has become quite boring You see that red two worded button in the top left of the page? The one next to 'Settings'? Hit that and save us your sob story. Alpha, why is that your best picture?