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Ciil oo wayeey, talo xumaan cudur ka weyneyn e, Cabdul iyo waxaa igala tagay , caabuqii waday e, Soo ceshooy anigoo leh bay, col u hayansheen e! We were this close to put this raging conflict in bed. We could have closed the deal in Khartoum had folks with vision drove that kareeto. Calaa caleek no amount of regressing can quench my grief. Saddened beyond belief. Don't despair though, we are not the first country to bleed like this or this long. We will get it right one of these days insha'Allah. One of these days.
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^Awoowe waa wiil qadiyadiisu meel sare gaarsiisan tahay. Allah yaa cizak. Waa raggii duntoodu fiicnayd ee asalka ahaa. Good program. Hats off to the producer and the narrator.
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Pray to Allah that they don't back off from this. Lucky are Djibouti folks for they will benefit from the cash injection in the way of employment, domestic suppliers, local contractors, local subcontractors, warehouses, transportation, housing, service industry, construction firms and other commercial development project of this size confers local and domestic firms. Looks promising project with monumental impact (in a positive way) on the locals to me.
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Has any1 seen the pastor's performance in Detroit last night? He's got some game I must say. Although the man has every right to clear his name and set the record straight, his interests at this juncture are diametrically opposed to that of Obama who wishes that the race issue to go away so that he can't get back on the stump -- "I am a different kind of politician". C'mon politician is the operative word here papa. I'm still rooting for him though.
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Super. The panel discussed momentous issues of large importance. Negative tribalism, unity, return to practical Islam to mention few. The title of the discussion, as I understand it, is a question: what are our interests? It was not a dood but rather a panel discussing ways and means yo end the Tigre presence in Somali soil. As an objective and informed observer, listed below are the nuggets I gleaned from the distinguished Somali scholars' take on the question. Their knowledge in everything Islam imparts authority to the discussion, this layman who confesses certain amount of ignorance assumes. Their wisdom: 1. Ethiopia is no friend of Somalis. 2. Ethiopian government is dominated by minority group and as such they don’t have, in the long run, what it takes to occupy Somalia. 3. Poor, divided, and sitting on an oppressed masses, dictatorial and totalitarian Tigre regime's days are numbered. 4. The consensus of this muxaathira read: we have to unite if we are to amount to something. 5. Negative tribalism is the “thing” -- as they put it – that impedes progress in all areas under their consideration including muqaawama -- the "thing" is thriving on the Somali conflict. 6. Practical Islam – meaning practicing the faith as opposed to mere chanting of kalimah – is what it will take to get to the promising land. 7. The ‘unity” is “the” essential ingredient in waging a successful campaign against the root cause of our malaise (negative tribalism) and foreign interferences bent on dividing us into opposing camps in order to exploit our divisiveness. 8. In response to Mustafa’s weighty remainder of lack of unity being halka iyo hawshu iska qaban la'adahay the next scholar that followed him on the mic exhorted him and more importantly us to not despair. He confirmed and validated, nevertheless, the need for unity in the face of monumental challenges staring poor, divided, exploited, tired, and desperate Somalis in the face. Put it in other way the theme seems to be “A house divided against itself cannot stand” Weighty and important point lost on our cyber green berets waging unwise and divisive keyboard jihad, with passion no less, like no other. Amen to that for it is the truth of the matter.
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Not funny.
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Poor Obama. He thought he's moved on. And here Jeremiah comes and gives the controversy a new lease of life. All of this after Hillary won Penn State. All of sudden Florida issue is back on news. Who knows Hillary might pull this one off after all. Any how, my fav PBS scored big by securing an interview with Jeremiah. Bill Moyer will have him on tomorrow night. Watch preview clip here
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Britian makes the final move - governance is here
Baashi replied to General Duke's topic in Politics
Lieutenant Duke, The trouble with your argument is that you are assuming nation building is the bone of contention here. I disagree with that line. It is not as if one side of the divide is saying let’s rebuild the country and restore law and order and live again and the other side is tsrongly and violently objecting to jobs and all the pork barrel that comes with the reconstruction. It would be comical outburst to say that all those who oppose TFG do so because they abhor law and order and the normalcy and peace that comes with inaugurating a just government. TFG is fighting its own people and it is doing so with the help of historical enemy. Certainly not the great majority of Somalis are actively campaigning against TFG now but great majority of the region (Benadir) are either undermining TFG quietly by not helping them or sizable of the residents are actively doing what they can to see TFG fail in its endeavor. I don’t see the connection with NGOs. How do the NGOs come into play here young man? I’m sure they are difficult bunch to be silenced by TFG in speaking out the atrocities committed against the civilians in retaliation drills that seem to punish the whole neighborhoods that fail to act as spies for TFG or are unable to bring in the culprits. But other than that I fail to see where you’re going with this NGO thing. Having said that I fully agree with you on the fact that there are handful of personalities and their supporters who see reconciled Somalis -- where looted properties issue are addressed -- as a losing proposition and anathema to their clannish interests. They paid a huge price in both blood and treasure to redistrict Benadir and Lower Shabelle and any effort to undo that campaign is obviously pretty upsetting to them. Well. We are really on the opposite side of the spectrum on this. Government if you wanna call it that is fully dependent on foreign power and allegiance of the coalition of convenience (certain clans). It has broken the back of its competitors in a very big way but other than that it has not forwarded the ball from the goalie corner. You used Barre analogy. Upon losing the control of the National Army (bases, ammunition, arsenal, trained personnel) Siyad knew there was no going back but he also understood that the fighting was not over yet and his head is the price the opposition wanted to have. So he went on the offensive and lost it. The point is the analogy you are drawing here is not applicable. Yes clan militias do fade away over time. Yes it takes time to heal the wounds and soothe the broken spirits. But the trouble with that line is you are not talking about reconciliation and peaceful settlement of the conflict which is the prerequisite of what you are alluding to. You are talking about defeating the other side which has to be total and complete to be successful. I don’t think that would happen any time soon. History highlights that oppression and force don’t bring about lasting peace. History also shows that the armed groups in Bendair has been given new cause in (Islam & nationalism) which to rally the troops around. I leave you with this food of thought: do you by any chance consider the possibility that there are genuine Somalis who deep down believe in the supremacy of Islam and want to compete with other special interest groups in leading the post-conflict Somalia? Has it occur to you that one of the reasons Melez and Neocons support TFG is to prevent that group to seize power in post-conflict Somalia? You see this is a pretty important region (close to oil reserves and part of extremely important international waters -- global trade can be disrupted from Northern Somalia with snap!), Islam has replaced Communism as “the” new ideology West must defeat, Ethiopia is regional power and is very much interested in seeing the post-conflict Somalia controlled by friendly regime that doesn’t threaten its territorial integrity or its interest in the region, and the game is three dimensional game! Awoowe convergence of all these divergent domestic, regional, and international interests is contributing to the Somali conflict in one way or another. It is miracle we have survived this long. Col Yussuf has a choice to make: declare that he is going to step down from the podium with a little caveat and he will have Tigre pack their bags with one strong and firm condition: complete resolution to all outstanding issues paramount among them negotiated peace and negotiated power-sharing scheme. Have him use ‘trust but verify’ as safety net he can fall back on just in case his goodwill gesture is not taken up. -
Britian makes the final move - governance is here
Baashi replied to General Duke's topic in Politics
It is dog eat dog and ya know it. With the Tigre might and unqualified support from the West, TFG personnel are unable to secure Benadir. What's giving them all that headache? Surely, the invisible hand that rendered all these powers ineffective and put them on the defensive are force to be reckon with. Intelligent man would acknowledge the obvious. What you got is a "government" at war with its people. An entity that solicits the protection of the country's historical regional rival (there's a laundry list of unfinished biz btw the two states) in order to survive a day. An entity that needs protection from its own people. Easy with the spin awoowe. The old, polarizing, and unintiated (in the matters of peace and stability) Yussuf needs to understand that you can't humiliate sizable portion of the Somali population into submission. He needs to hear from close quarters that he is part of the problem. He needs to be told that the future and well being of Somalis is bigger than personalities. The man needs some serious councelling not cheerleaders who shout his praises at the top of their lungs. He needs folks who can talk truth to power (relative). What had transpired in Benadir is a tragedy and not a win for one side of the divide. I want you to know that buddy. -
^Maa Shaa Allah. Allah Akbar to Abu Geel Jire. He is a hekuva Somali, a rare Muslim indeed for he is doing a world of good for the cause. Maa Shaa Allah. What a moron!
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Let Somaliland be an independent country, Int’l Think Tanks Say
Baashi replied to Jacaylbaro's topic in Politics
And the French NGO -- an advocacy group for poppy legalization -- said so. And that qualifies a posting on this forum in order to show how close the golden cup is. Closer than close indeed. Adduunyo! -
Nonsense! Gibberish! Oh please! Is it too much for you to come to terms with the fact that house divided against itself will not and cannot stand in the face of determined and resourceful enemy? I mean what happened to your noodles? Put on the so called “Questioning Attitude” cap and ask questions. Religiosity and nationalism is fine but they are too broad a term to apply to this case. All are Somalis. None I know of is kafir -- at least they are not making public pronouncements. They are just Muslim Somalis who fail to agree to settle their differences in a civilized manner. Waa side bal ka gudub.. In strictly military matters, are tactics, logistics, training, and above all strategy relevant or irrelevant in discussions like this? Would it be extraordinary thing -- a one that renders you weak in all things including piety as our holier than thou 2X is insinuating -- to question Al Shabaab in these areas? Does questioning the wisdom behind or practicality of the guerilla warfare or their tactics mean in any way or form an endorsement of other side of the divide? Are Al Shabaab considered macsuumiin? What’s wrong with having negotiated peaceful settlement between all warring factions? I mean I can appreciated if one points out how difficult that process would prove to be or says the difference between the sides are too great that they border the line of irreconcilables!! You bunch never cease to amaze me. I know it become trendy to blabber about jingoism and piety but still... Kix kix I just spotted Socod Badane! Adduunyo!
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Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka: I agree with JB. But my distaste for the man comes from my suspicion of Afro-americans. they are usuallu suspect on confidence and making big decisions. I am for Hillary! Mida kale haday cidi uun idili, gobta Anglo-saxon tu ha i disho! I know I am a bit of a racist! waan isku ogahay. :mad: Qasaaro! Sweeping generalization!!! My man Edward Saed Allah yarhama was right on the money. No kidding!
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Rush Limbough that is.
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One more thing -- enough GOP have switched party affiliation according to all news outlets and they did so because that windbag made use of his megaphone and urged the rednecks to ensue what he termed Operation Chaos. Mother f*cker is powerfull *****
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Obama strategy has worked. He's closed the gap from mid twenties down to ten. He has bankrupted her campaign -- now in red. And he has now identified his weak points, sharpen his claws, and so on. All of this in her state (family roots are 6 feet deep in the brotherly love state) -- meaning her old man and granny are from here and burried in the state. Not bad, not bad at all. Pundits and talking heads are now fixing their eyes on Indiana -- another redneck, industrial belt rust state. The skinny is leading all the metrics. He is ahead in number of states won, popular vote, pledged delegates, money (he's got 42 million in the vault, she is in about 1m negative). And here is the catch his candidacy is financed by the average Joe (post-graduate, college educated, young, and well-to-do who can't be fooled easily by Clinton rhetoric) as opposed to the special interest lobbyists. Impressive. Clinton is a brand in America. She is a political animal. Her husband had made many friends. Clinton machine is tight. We all know that. She is a political animal, eloquent, extremely well-veresd in policy details. Yet the fact that this skinny, unkown with virtually no connection with establishment had come this far is in itself an eyeopener. Remarkable.
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Camel Complex -- Our Camel Boys Are Ailing Waxa-La-Yirri's "Analyze This!" Page By Inna Ma-Nala-Garaad-Baa *Raw Satire Oodweyne Township, NW - *coming up*
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Mark The Gregorian Year 2 0 0 9 -- We Are Counting On This One Waxa-La-Yirri Fuzzy Prediction Page By Inna Kaadi Najaasle *Commentary Waan ku heybinaynee, Ilaahey ha kaa dhigo, Adna hogol da'aysiyo, Habeen dhalad barwaaqiyo; Nimco la harsan dooniyo, Cawo lagu heshiiyee. Kii noo hagaagee noqo loo han weyn yahay, Kii noo hagaagee noqo loo han weyn yahay, Kii noo hagaagee noqo loo han weyn yahay, Noqo loo han weyn yahay, Noqo loo han weyn yahay . Buulo Mareer, Lower Shabeele - Meet Inna Waliga Duula a.k.a. Aw Baalle. He is no ordinary man. Our Inna Kaadi Najaasle reports that Aw Baalle is often seen sitting under the big old mango tree with sizable crowd around him. He often recites unusual and at times interesting tales about his voyages to and from Mecca. Folks of nearby Makaay Dumis -- an agricultural village 30 miles west of Buulo Mareer revere the man. *to be continued...run outta time now*
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the three wise Monkeys or three African Presidents
Baashi replied to Naxar Nugaaleed's topic in Politics
Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: Prime Minister Meles, president kabila and president Yusuf. Good kodak moment. Haha -
KULMIYE Convention Came to the End ,,,,,, Leaders Elected
Baashi replied to Jacaylbaro's topic in Politics
^ War ba'a war gabanku sow issagan haraaday siduu isu lahaa rag iska dhici. And your feeling get hurt when we call spade a spade and say you are a distinguished blowhard. Haha Awoowe having painstakingly clarified that you are not equating the very collapse of the state with victory or triumph of one Somali tribe over other one, you seem to be repeating the same childish mistake albeit in different tune. Looks like you are picking on the “elites” of Somali segment in their entirety! What a waste! And I thought I got you on the balls and touched your nerve. Billash! with all this ink you still have difficulty in coming to terms with the clear distinction between the junta -- regime that was in power -- and the elite class which encompass those in the academia, business class, and what not. They may share blood but by golly everyone in that bloodline is not responsible with whatever crimes their supposedly clansmen had committed while in power. To do that is to give credence to the guilty by association line of reasoning. Awoowe the trouble with your line of thought is that you are stuck with clan bigotry that knows no limit. Let me help you with this lengthy rebuttal of yours aight! I want you to be a manly man and concede when you are corrected. To do so is strength not a weakness. Attach bullets per paragraph if you must. I’m giving you edges with handles in which you can latch onto your fingers for a nice grip. Make use of it! Sidana isu dhaan wax ba’ay baad tahay e The way the state was led, managed, administrated, controlled, and what have you was awfully wrong. It was abject, utter, and total failure of leadership. And it was understood as such. Boowe, ha ku haraadin taa saa we are on the same page. Where we differ is whether what replaced the dictatorship was necessarily better than junta it replaced. It is my firm and unshakable opinion that the anarchy that replaced was a tragedy in the larger view of things. This is a good subject for discussion. On the issue of victory versus defeat, it seems to me that you make a habit to cast the tragedy that’s befallen over entire Somalis as victory-defeat dichotomy. When one reads your posts one takes with him the notion that the seventeen years of anarchy in larger swaths of the country is basically victory for some and defeat for others. Moreover one can’t help but notice the way you assign the scores along clan lines. It is true that some clans had been (and still are) displaced from their homes because of their clan affiliation. I wouldn’t mind if camel herder in Oodweyne township jumps in a dhaanto and hurls few stanzas of gabay for the occasion of what he perceives as the downfall moment of his historical clan rival. His is excusable for he knows no better for he suffers what I would term the Camel Complex -- to be defined later. However, you are expected to perform differently in such tragic event. You should let some light into that rusty heart of yours. You supposed to exercise some moral ethics or have your Islamic upbringing kick in and resist this temptation of having to interpret the inhumanity of the conflict as being advantageous to your clan. Cheer for the unseating of the regime in your hearts content. But don’t you dare to hate the other side in such categorical way with a blinding passion. You can split hair all you want and shift this simmering hate from the tenants in the cruel and shabby refugee camps (as if they were the elites -- what a caaq) to the entire business and enlightened class of over millions of souls. It is just not right buddy. On Inna Yussf, don’t waste your breath papa on this one. For the fact of the matter is that we share the sentiments that he erred in thinking that he could solve the conflict through a military means instead of making the necessary compromises with his rivals. I even share your disdain for Tigre mercenaries. Where we differ on this issue is the utility of genuine reconciliation at this 11 hour. I’m for it. You are against. You suspect the reason I’m for it is because I share my 35th great grandfather with this character. A line of thinking I found to be unfortunate. Moreover I think you sort of forget the Tigre friends, through omission I suspect! Benadir residents have more warlords that are good terms with Tigre regime in Addis than any other Somali faction. One would correctly assert that there is distinction between where the civilians and power hungry warlords stand on the issue. Objective and informed observer would use that same yardstick when it comes to the “D” rank and file folk. On neutrality boowe what you need to understand is that my position of not cheerleading for any of the warlords is not a neutral position. It is the right position. I support the process and by extension the system. Reconciliation is a process -- not an event. If folks get it right it is “the” way out of this bottomless bit. I am open to the terms of the negotiation -- whatever works is my attitude. Just, inclusive, unitary, and shar’ia based government is a government anchored on a bedrock. We might not get there any time soon but still it is worth the support. It is pity that you hang onto straw man with such passion. But hey..common...it is understandable. On secession awoowe I have never seen such a bogus and clan-driven fairytale with so many followers. By and large and overwhelmingly so the followers happen to belong to one segment of the population. Furthermore challenging, refuting, or even criticizing the central argument garners such a reaction that one is forced to wonder out loud why such an issue of large importance is so guarded. In normal thinking person would readily concede that if one hell bent to change recent status quo -- the state -- one would also open to accommodate other interest groups who might find that it is their interest to not endorse such a move. Common sense, right!! I have yet to understand the logic behind the whole project. It is quite beneath you to base the dismembering of a country on such a bogus idea that finds its validity from colonial subjugation. If you wipe the slate clean off of colonial fairytales you would end up stumbling on to the crux of the matter which is who really wants to dismember the country and why! On the after the fact argument that goes this way: country is in shambles, the state has collapsed and now in the trash can of “failed state, folks are each others throat and by and large along clan lines and because of the situation, the recovering and functioning corners of the Somalia that once existed need to make some sort of decision 1) to prevent a similar fate similar to the quarrelling corners and 2) need to have a status that will enable them to make international transactions, give them access to markets, and what not! This would be a legit demand provided whatever status granted would be readily superseded by future stable and legit government that’s acceptable to the existing recovery zones. However that’s not what the proponents of this argument are tabling. Secession is what they are after and they can’t even stomach what that entails when it comes to the divisibility of what was a former British Protectorate!! Later, -
KULMIYE Convention Came to the End ,,,,,, Leaders Elected
Baashi replied to Jacaylbaro's topic in Politics
Haha. Coming in from the cold, indeed! That’s the spirit awoowe. Didn’t know you withhold support from the secessionists’ admin precisely because of their inability (in the past) to effectively play subclans in Sool off of each other and maneuver them into divisions. Haha no kidding! And now they’ve done that with some “success” you are finally on board. Dang who would have thought the fence-sitter was indeed a hardcore supporter in disguise!! Good gracious So you are for disrupting the peace, and deepening the animosity between folks there as long as it serves the secessionists’ short goals!! What a loyal flag waver It’s politics alright! I agree. But I’m disappointed in you that it took this kind of politics for my man Oodweyne to persuade you hop on the secessionists’ bandwagon? You are so full of mercury my “fickle weather” friend. As for the existence of secessionists’ fiefdom awoowe you gotta do better than that for its existence is not an issue. At issue is dismembering Somalia. Secessionists as many other corners of Somalia are in control of their area. They want to secede. Others don’t. They haven’t successfully seceded “yet”. Again the difference boils down to the intention. Intention is not a reality. Secession has acceptance criteria. They have failed to meet those criteria. Hence they are still part and parcel of Somali Republic. They just couldn’t close the deal. All of this after seventeen years of quacking at every nest out there. Seventeen years of anarchy down in Benadir. The forty eight year old -- the handicapped and wounded fella -- is holding up on his own with less effort and not much of quacking -- to use your analogy. Besides there are those who say the 17 yrs old basturrd is the son of the 48 yrs old fella. You see! Absence of closure -- by way of securing the recognition golden cup -- the case for or against secession is pretty much relevant. Anglophiles of the site have plenty of reasons -- and are eager to showcase those reasons (like colonial subjugation card as well as the pitiful grievances card something they share with the rest) -- why the country should be dismembered. I’m sure your guru would insist on that that bit is in fact exhibition A of the proceeding. Moreover, he would agree that we are still in the middle of the proceeding. I’m kind of taken back by your insistence to omit what otherwise would be “the” gist of the argument. PS: Speaking of making the case for what I stand for, what does it take to convince you that Sool & Sanaag, or for that matter Maakhir, have the right to decide for themselves for what their status would be and they are not bound by now defunct past colonial subjugation legacy? You don’t have to applaud for playing Sool & Sanaag residents off of each other. -
Sheekh Mukhtaar has a good point. The trouble is he is undercutting his superiors' ability to negotiate. We were led to believe that UIC is cohesive unit complete with elected leadership and waging "istiqlaal" war from a united front against ocuupying force. What my man Sh. Mukhtaar didn't consider, it seems to me, is that he is falling to a marked trap -- right in! Without his forces UIC leadership are weakened. Weakened UIC spells more divisions within the rank and file. With divisions small groups throw their loyalty behind their preferred leaders. Not a good strategy.
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KULMIYE Convention Came to the End ,,,,,, Leaders Elected
Baashi replied to Jacaylbaro's topic in Politics
I found it amusing how Northerner mistakes apples for oranges every time. You can say that I oppose dismembering the state on the grounds of old grievances and/or past colonial subjugation, but buddy it is a gross mischaracterization to assert that I advocate for separation based on clans. Awoowe what I’m for is a viable Somali state with just, all inclusive Shar’ia-based government at the helm -- a state that’s peace with itself and with its neighbors. In this context separation based on clan is not necessary. If I’m to fantasies an utopia a sort of cuckoo land on the clouds awoowe this one -- instead of clannish fiefdom -- is worth the dream. In any event, if you insist on siding with separatists on the grounds that their secessionism pet project is morally and legally valid because of past colonial subjugation then clans who oppose that project reserve the right to stay put with the rest of the state. There is a world of difference between turning the viable state into checkerboard of Bantustan fiefdoms which is basically what secessionism ultimately accomplishes and having a contest over the dismemberment project prior to its implementation. How the contestants organize themselves is beyond Baashi’s hand. It just so happened that this contest gains its stem from clannish special interests. Suldaan, Awoowe I’m sure you sincerely believe in the secession cause and that leads you to hold on to every bit of hope where there is none. You said the two cases are similar if not identical. I beg to differ, buddy. Objective analysis would show that while the two share some aspect in the legal realm, the details of the cases are so different so much so they deserve to be categorized differently. One is a local functioning admin in a failed state with intention to secede. The other is regionally protected and UN supervised enclave in the Balkans. One case has akready been vetted and found to be a bogus. Whilst the other found a receptive sponsors in the superpower club. The opposition in Kosovo are expected (required) to behave and submit to both NATO and UN dictates. The opposition in your fiefdom has the legal verdict on their side. Overturning that robust and watertight legal gasket proved to be a tall order Ngonge, Coming in from the cold huh! How does it feel pal to finally come out of the closet and endorse the use of violence against Las Anod residents? Quite liberating I’m sure I’m sure you have accumulated volumes of Waxa-La-Yirri hearsay a la Cilmi Dhegood so much so that you now think it is foolish to question the root cause of the secession after the fact -- after 17 yrs! I guess it is ok to go half century back -- 48 years! Some logic eh! Where does the half century number leave your analogy? Come to think of it, the 48 yrs old with legit birth certificate has better chance to have his papers get revalidated than the 17 yrs bastrd -
KULMIYE Convention Came to the End ,,,,,, Leaders Elected
Baashi replied to Jacaylbaro's topic in Politics
^Yes I'm short on time here buddy but quickly and briefly the short answer is no. You are not reading it right. Awoowe the only thing I wish for Somalis is peace and prosperity. You gotta understand the premise itself fisrt awoowe before you embark on extrapolating exercise. You see the assumption is that you Northerner reserve the right for self-determination. From the bottom of your heart of hearts deep deep down you think that the folks in that fiefdom are distinct from the rest of the population precisely because of the short presence of British colonial officers, back in the days, serving their majesty’s desire to dominate and subjugate what they called indigenous folks! It is an argument that I frankly look down to. Nevertheless you are a follower to a secessionism that anchor its moral and legal drive on that colonial legacy and on that basis want to secede from this failed state of ours. Hang in there papa I’m getting there.... Understand also that precincts or for that matter districts or even provinces have demarcated borders marked for administrative and governmental purposes. In Utah for instance the state might be constituted out of religious consideration. In our case the dominant political platform that eclipses everything and anything in our political discourse is tribalism. It is not my idea awoowe it is what makes Somali politicking go round. With this background let’s go back to your comment. At issue is the North itself. I’m sure you have heard it before. There is this saying: If Somalia if divisible so is Somaliland. Case in point, Maakhir! The principle of self determination is invoked here. Unless you wanna tell me that defunct colonial legacy trumps the will of Maakiries!! Same is true with disputed precincts in Sool. In short awoowe what I object to is not the actualities on the ground where much of the political dispute revolves the control of land, resources, or power in which same subclans within the clan find themselves locked in a loggerhead. No. What I object to is dismembering the state on the bases of what European empire colonized and subjugated which part. That’s what I object to. First can be reversed. The latter, arguably, is irreversible. Prince, awoowe that corner of Somalia is no Kosovo. Besides Kosovo case comes in different context -- a one that’s entirely different than what at issue is in our sand dunes. I know folks see what they wanna see but pal this ain’t what you think it is. Sure Kosovo is a precedent. Remember Africa is where many restless genies are locked in Coca-Cola like canisters. Open it with caution is what the AU letterhead says. I’m resigned to that fact that this is American century. They do make or break the Worl Order and if they wish they will make Somali dismemberment a reality. So far I don’t see it coming from this admin. The irony of all ironies is that Neocons in power and with their fixation of democracy pet projects they opted to throw their support behind the TFG instead of recognizing democratic Northwestern Somalia. That is very telling. Later,