Hunguri awoowe you are munaafiq numero uno. This is Jihad you see. Folks are killed in the name of Almighty Allah. Awoowe that's sarcasm. It's not directed at you. That's what folks would say if you reason with them. All of the sudden your ikhlaas is on the line!

Hehehee. Xiin awoowe let it be. You are getting nowhere. They are tackling you -- instead of the issue at hand -- as expected. Refer to Kelligii Muslim of the site Now your ikhlaas has been questioned. Kix kix. You say a house divided cannot stand. They say we know what you mean -- you are secretly rooting for Inna Yussuf. Refer Tuhun-stricken squad as well as Ayoubi's lame line. You say this is not about nationalism or Islam for that matter. It is about brother against brother and so long they are each other's throat their nemesis is posed to take advantage of their sad situation. They say a-a-aah we want to have a guarantee that family rival backs up first before we even consider making up with our brother. You remind them one comes first before two in natural world. You say get the sequence right. You show the alliance between the other brother and the family rival he keeps at his side is predicated on the premise that his life is in danger. They say bingo we knew it you said this the other day and that long time ago in other thread -- you are busted buddy. You shake your head. They laugh out loud. You ridicule their naivety. They return the compliment. You throw your arms up in cyber frustration and leave the thread. They declare victory in unison. You ask are you guys okay how can you get anywhere if you are objecting, in principle, the intention to settle the conflict. They say Negative! That's not the case. What we are asking is for TFG to expose itself to the hyenas first by committing unilateral disarmament (read that as the absence of Tigre foot soldiers that protect that entity). You asy conflict by definition is the continuation of hostility and unless one agrees to settle it by means other than war one is not sincere. They say give us few weeks will make the Tigre and Daba-dhilifs run for their life. You remind them that PL, SL, GalMudug, Bay, Juba, Gedo are not in this fight. They say shame on them. Finally you realize that you are not getting anywhere with this lot and you tell them waa hagaag waxaad ka heshaan is miidaaminta anniga waxba hs iga siinin.

Delusional Oodweyne keeps keeping on. We were unfortunate to see him make premature declaration that Somaliland has marked a date to announce, jointly with Senegal, its first touchdown. That was 2003. Never happened! He assured us that he had "the" inside scoop. He was pretty sure back then as he is today. We learned later that marqaan was the culprit that made him see stars. My man Oodweyne is known to have a missive of sort with unfounded jumbo mumbo excitement. Just same delusional man doing what he does the best post propaganda on forums. Check! So far no official change as far as US policy toward horn is concerned. Uncle Sam deals Somalia as a failed state. US recognizes the recovery zones as part and parcel of that failed state. US have reaffirmed again and again (seventeen times) by official vote in UN Security Council -- mind you -- the territorial integrity, unity, and sovereignty of this failed state. Any dealing with your Bantustan should be seen through that prism. Did I hear you say US has indicated that there is “no strategic objection” to Somalia’s dismemberment? Nonsense! Pure rubbish! Oh boy! You and I know what “referral” means -- in diplomatic lexicon. It is polite rejection. In plain language what that means is that US’s position toward Somalia is unchanged; there’s no plan to change it. Uncle Sam is not pushing for a change and he is not asking other countries to change their position either (no arm twisting). In other words the pitiful Riyale is sent back to Addis for help. In short his case is not referred to AU. Nooo buddy. US are not asking AU to consider the matter. No buddy. He’s -- Riyale that is -- asked to take up the matter to whom the case may concern. Pretty straight forward stuff! As to the lady’s visit awoowe you and I know that it has to do with deteriorating situation of the recovery zones. There is a conflict brewing there. Uncle Sam wants to urge the parties to resolve that conflict peacefully. UDUB gets a boost from securing a visit from the deputy -- a lady that regularly shuttles back and forth to Biadowa . In return she gets to tell them what Uncle Sam’s expectations are. No worries pal. I understand you have an obligation to hold the line Understandable! Really, I mean it.

Allah yarxama. Any group claiming responsibility?

Allah yarxama. Any group claiming responsibility?

Uncle Sam's bottom line has not been changed. US vote for UN security council declaration about Somalia is loud and clear. Can't get more crystal than that. Frazer's visit to secessionists stronghold has been billed as part of shoring up effort to settle the conflict in a piece-meal fashion. Support the recovery zones, choose regional bulldog over the other anarchic territories, maintain military presence in the area -- all are in line with the Neocon's strategy. Same old tune buddies. To my man Oodweyne I remind him Mel Brook's memorable line and I'm paraphrasing here -- Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die. I guess as an old soul fully conversant with nomadic lingo he will get the gist of the phrase in the context of the stuff we're talking about here. All in all the deck is unshuffled, the ace is missing, and the table is not even set.

^Bingo

I won't argue with ****** when it comes to Kismayo. It won't just do. I can put up all other craps spewed in this forum. I just can't talk about kismaayo with galti. I should have heeded the advice kindly given to me by my fella hommie. It is really sickening!!! ***FACT CHECKING*** Affected Somalis in the said draught had been resettled in Lower Shabelle districts of Kunturwaareey and Baraawe. Likewise Sablaale district in Middle Juba had been designated as a brand new settlement for the affected folks. Togdheer, Sool, and Mudug were the areas that had been hit hard by the draught. This is a common knowledge. As to Beerxaani my good gracious when had this famous town been transferred to galti. Are you fooling yourself? What's wrong with Somalis? This is sickening. I mean to go that far -- indha adagaa!! As to Cascaseey, late M. S. Barre’s kid brother awoowe I remember when he was transferred, as a warehouse guard for INJI. He was then promoted by Governor Shire Suudi (his fellow clansman) to become INJI warehouse supervisor. Cascaseey hotel was a government premise (xarunta xisbiga) -- the lot on which the party center stands on had been confiscated ( from Ibrahim Uunlaaye! Ask any reer Kismayo and they would tell you the whole nine yard about this incident. Ilmo Yarow, self made renowned businessmen (no corruption from gov handout), are true sons from Kismayo. Suggule is a transferred soldier. His kid was my third grade classmate in Farjano elementary school. Hek why don't we mention Ali Waskhaan from Hargeisa or for that matter reer Waberi from Boorame hek even Qummane Qashin from Zeylac (owned a famous range near Jammame and wa neighbor of ours)-- their kids were my classmates both public school and private English schools. Civil servants used to come and settle the city but by and large folks who sell milk folks who raise cattle folks who populate the city are from known clan. [ February 01, 2008, 11:25 PM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

^Absolutely. Xiin look how the 2 balled man hit the nail on the head. Waan ku yara haraaday threadkan. Qaraabo ogaada raggu waa wada hadlay ee lama dirririn. Nin ba abaartii iyo sida ay la tahay uun buu halakan ka qoray. Sidaa haa loo fahmo.

^Allay Baday and his colleagues are not dreaming buddy. They are trying to understand the puzzle. One has to understand what one is dealing with first, right! There you go awoowe. Pretty complicated stuff. This sh*t is multidimensional. Simpletons seem to be knowledgeable about this non periodic mathematical wave that changes amplitude and frequency by the week. Not that simple. It is three dimensional chess game. It has geopolitical angle to it. It has ever expanding clan matrix to it. It has class struggle, competition for resources, unquenched greed, foreign involvement, and religious component all intersecting at the centre that Benadir is. Stay tuned. I don't pretend to know that much but I'll do my best to touch all the bases IA.

Good move. Well done.

Morning fellas, so far my friends across the aisle have no substantive argument to table. It looks like the opposition to settle the conflict now is wall to wall. I have a hunch that the refusal to acknowledge the need for peaceful resolution to the current crisis is not so much about opposition against the reconciliation itself per se but the personality that’s fielding the proposal. Very well. Let me put this other naughty toddler to his crib. This one goes out to my man Ayoubi and his newly found vocabulary that comes in doubles. No one is making excuse for anyone! Are you kidding me? Ayoub awoowe you and I know this fight is not about Islam nor is it about nationalism. I’m sure you are more intelligent than folks that convinced themselves that the civil war debut last year when Tigre mercenaries invaded the national seat. The Somali civil war is all about tribalism. It is about exploiting grievances. It is about mobilizing folks who you share ancestry. Awoowe Somalia is held hostage by negative tribalism. Common boys! Tell it as it is. Sure there are gazillions of unintended consequences but first and foremost the fight is about what clan gets what national pie. Clans are fighting because? The answer is for political dominance and resources. Lower Juba is “the” second most productive province of the country -- second to Lower Shabelle. Whoever controls the province will have a bargaining advantage at the table. Here is where Inna Yussuf and his cohorts come into equation. While they are not from there, their fellow clan members call the area their home. They share the city with other Somalis namely Afmadow folks. The lower Juba province has about 113 townships. The majority are ****** and *****. There are Baajuuni, Bantu, ******, ******, and ******. Their primary occupation are fisheries, farming, and livestock (primarily raising cattle). Gedo boys have no single township their folks can call home. What are these “native” things you seem to be so fixated? Who are the natives you keep referring to? These folks I mentioned above have no disputes btw them. What sub clan resides in what township, district, or farming area is common knowledge. Awoowe the fact that the territory of some clans span from Ras Caseyr to Ras Kambooni that in itself doesn’t accord them the designation of “double natives”. It just so happened that there is one single clan that lives different parts of the country. So much of double native talk! This one goes to all the pseudo nationalists, Bros nationalism and Islam has nothing to do with it. First and foremost the fight is btw Somalis (Tigre is after fact -- a secondary disturbances). Secondly all the contestants are Muslims in their faith orientation. To frame the debate nationalists vs. anti-nationalists or as the Kelligii Muslim of the site would like us to belief Muslims vs. Murtads is a fairytale at its best. The tragedies in the nineties shape the psychic of whole new generation. Looting and other transgression carried out during nineties has not been forgotten. It is grievances that need to be addressed. In principle one should be prepared to admit the necessity in bringing closure to that dark chapter and all other dark chapters that proceeded or followed what happened that period. [ February 01, 2008, 11:21 PM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

Anarchy rag baa ku liibaaney. Haddii Somali heshiiso oo waxii mood ahaa ee lakala hestay la isu celiyo oo nidaamka dawliga dib loo dhidbo awoowe rag bay sidaa guul darro u tahay. Nimankeer is xiijinaya oo wada qaracanka ah oo doodoodu dhaafi weydo hebel baa sidan ah iyo heblaa hebel xigta awoowe bal haday oran lahaayeen TFG-da waa diiday heshiis oo Inna Yussuf shalay buu idaacada ka kalaamay oo uu dirrinta Baashi ragga ku dirqanayo uu diiday sow doodoodu xubin la qabsado ma yeelateen! Gabanka leh jeer Inna Yussuf ka tago meesha la heshiin mayo sow wiilkaasu wiil shafka isagga kaadshay oo cirkaa u kaleetiyey maa aha! Maxaa bedelay Inna Barre. Sow lama oran wallaan reerku dhaqnaaneyn jeer uu ka huleelo. Huleel wiilkaasu. Haye? Sow hawshu meel fog kama quransana. Soo nabarkaasu baxnaano uma baahna! Bal eeg hadda maalinka maanta ah TFG oo kulmisa dhowr heybood waxa ay leedahay hal irid oo laga galo. Nimankeer Asmara fadhiya iyaga qudhoodu waa niman address loogu hagaaga leh. Kolka berito ay labadaa oodoodu sarifmaan oo boqol firqo oo mid waliba gaar iyadu wax u rabta ay bedelaan oo isu keenidoodu iyo urrurintoodu kaliya ay noqoto mashruuc gaara soo awoowe nabadu ma sii fogaan. Nimanka Tigre-ga ah ee Benadir ummada ku leynaya car waa kaase Kismaayo ama Gedo amd Bakool arag iyagoo habar caano ka daadshay. Ma ahan in aanay karin! War Xabashku rag buu bari taar ku wadaa. Adduunyo! Haddi shabakada lagala quustay qaxootigii firdhay in la fahamsiiyo war Somalidu waa dirrirtay reer reer bayna isu leysay dawlad iyo qarranka hogaankiisaana la isu laayey haatana tii uun baa taagan oo lagu heshiin waayey soo ayaan darro ma aha! Xabashku reer dhexdiisa kadirriray oo kala carooday oo giddigood gocosho iyo qoonsi ku maqan oo midba gaar u raadinayo mindidii uu walaalkii ku dooxi lahaa buu bar soo bari taaray. Waliba arrin ugub ah ma aha oo Xabashku ilaa 78 buu sida yeelayey -- nimankan waaweyn intaa bay garran waayeen. Allow Alle. Ileyn talo iskuma kaa sheegto. Caku ciyaal! Allow kuu naxariiso Inna Tima Cadde sooma haleelin berrigii uu yirri: Gardaduub haddii loo xiraad gaarna ka ahaato, Gacantii nin lihi goynayaa, waa gumuduntaaye, Nin walaalkii geed ugu jiraa, geesi noqon waa!!. Alleylehe waxan marqaati ka ahay in xaakimkaasu asiibay. Awoowe ka fulay hadaan waayey wiil ila qaad qaada oo dooda xubinta ay leedahay gran kara. Jamaaco waa inoo berrito haddii Ilaahay idmo. Cuqdada iyo niicdana iska daaya fadlan.

That's how it is done. Block by block. Town by town. Bottom up approach is the way to go. Not only schools educate young but they make them busy and channel all that energy into the right direction.

^Many thanks.

^Please.

I'm sure kastuumo-related stuff is very appealing to some corners. Stay away from the broken record stuff. It may damage ur ears dhuubo.

We don't wanna go down that route again Che, do we? I guess no. Let it be friend.

Daallo Round -- bird's eye view summit Niyaayiro column By Indhodeeq inna Guled *appeared on Garwaaqsi magazine Daallo, Sanaag -- Delegates arrived on time at Ceerigaabo bus station. Duty-bound young militia wearing Somaliland’s army insignia started roughing the elders up at the bus station. An old Colonel leading a division stationed there whose face is very familiar to the militia showed up. He asked youngsters why are they bothering his abti elder Alley Baday! Soon the militia melted away and the Colonel led the elders to a guest house. From there the delegates headed straight to the hilly forest chatting with each other on their way to the Daallo summit. According to veteran reporter Inna Kaadi Najaasle the emissaries were joined by local elders as a sign of solidarity in their effort to reach practical agreement that will enable them to embark a new and practical rescue effort. Fu’aad Alloore made it clear from the outset that his boss has instructed him to inform the rest of the commission that Maandeeq has been located in Addale -- pristine beach east of Lower Shabelle provincial capital Jowhar. “It is missing the right eye and one of its nipples has been cut off from her possibly by baby hyena” he continued. “Innaa Lilaahi waa Inna Ileyhi Raajicuun” in a chorus-like grumbling is all our reporter heard . After long pause elder Allay Baday collected himself, cleared his throat, and warned his friends the news he’s about to reveal is not one that brings joy to them. He confirmed Alloore’s report but added that the she-camel appeared to on-lookers to have been handicapped by bullets showered on its rear legs. He continued on to say that four different local militias loyal to no one and armed to the teeth by sources he has yet to figure out have already encircled Maandeeq. The problem of rescuing a handicapped she-camel by folks that dispute its ownership has now compounded by hostage situation. Emissaries representing opposing factions secluded to the submit of Daallo have now a three dimensional chess game on their hand. The ownership question took the back seat. The question had then became finding out who the local militias are and whom they take orders from. Weheliye, a respected elder from Ceel Buur, asked whether emissaries’ decisions will be honored by their respective camps. That changed the whole mood of the proceeding. He seemed to question the very role the emissaries are playing and the futility of their effort if they have no power to implement whatever comes out of their secluded conference. They call it a day and promised to do some soul searching and inform the conference how they intend to implement the outcome of the conference. All discussions of rescuing Maandeeq were put on hold. War San iyo Weer San Ii Soo Wacee

Summary plz. Farax fire away awoowe.

Nephthys and Me, The very function of any given forum is sheeko, exchanges (sometimes useful -- tech forums for instance and sometimes not so useful), and sharing your take on whatever topic under discussion. In General Section that topic might be kastuumo-related, teenage heartaches, I used to listen this tune and that beat back in the days, troll for the heck of it, I-am-bored-fellas variety and what have you. Pick ur choice and fire away to your heart's content. You all need to chill. In politics section it is hardball. This xaafad reported this bit today and all the tailgaters who pile on the xaafad that's reporting the news instead of the news itself. It is expected. No big deal. The character bashing is also tolerable. It is no biggie to me. After all for some folks it is pretty troubling to get used to read different perspectives that's not inline with theirs. So what to do? Look into the soul of the poster and make judgments. He is from that block and he is related to that Col. and hence his world must be revolving around that personality. Annoying yes but harmless. Today is a brand new day. The topic may be the same but who knows folks who congregate here might have wisen up a bit. Possible! Remeber friends I'm sipping my tea (lipton to be exact) and I'm making bundle all the while I'm having blast conversing with faceless usernames around the globe. I suspect you are all working, earning green, and conversating with us when time permits. That's the beauty of it. Let's take an other go at it. Shaah is on old baba. Kujecli, Ur Awoowe.

Cabdulle: Qux qux qaaaax cough ahem Waris: Shiffo shiffo Cambaro: Naa Wariseey Cabdulle shiffo lagala quusay! Got it Xiin. Awoowe axadkaa halkaa uga har. He has yet to grasp the depth of Somali conflict! The art of Doc-ka-yeer is the subject he really exels. Reading his not-so-coherent writeup I see the line 'I'm fine young man who does not harbor clannish sentiment against any other tribe'. He's trying to nail that bit on his forehead. What you oughta do is praise the simpleton for being so civilized and let him be.

Morning jamaaca. The case for reconciliation is very simple one. In some corners it is called conflict resolution. The process starts with having warring sides agree, in principle, to settle the dispute on a dirrin. From there on mediators push both sides to compromise and meet other side in the middle. It is often the case that factions that think they can finish off other side resist the call. Weaker factions on their part resist negotiating. It is hardball after all. They want to go to dirrin and negotiate a deal from a position of strength. No brainer really! Reconciliation is not a fancy word. It is a process. It is a difficult process. It addresses all grievances -- the sources of the very conflict of which folks are trying to end. Looted properties (farms and other real estates), towns, cities, provinces that changed hands during the conflict all these are addressed through this process. Somalis are fighting for a reason. It might not make sense to you “civilized” people. But folks back home the stakes are so high they are willing to go to the extremes. Tribalism -- nay negative tribalism -- is a fact of life in that far away sand dunes we call home. Yeah yeah I know you are all progressive and clean and religious at heart. Nevertheless on ground zero it is do or die game. This sh*t is in need of resolution -- one way or another. My man Kashafa knows what he is doing. His karate technique where the talkative young man pulls his cyber Green Beret ambushes on SOL usernames -- enemies of the state, enemies of Islam as he sees it -- is one option. Warmongers call for more blood letting in the name of nationalism is another option. Al-Shabaab’s determined insurgency is also on the list. Old USC remnants’ coalition is part of the game. Other faction of old USC in alliance with Col. Yussuf and his Tigre mercenaries are digging their heels. All out war -- war of attrition at its best. Chicken-Hawk game unplugged!!! The fight will go on. Folks will be displaced. Some crippled, others uprooted, qallanjooyin gang rapped. The resultant will be more grievances. Chasm will be widened. Other provinces of the country may be making progress but the fight for Benadir -- the national seat -- will go on. Secessionists will use that as raison d’etre for secession -- no partner to negotiate line. At the end of the day no one wins. It may be the case that ten years from now this call for reconciliation will find a reception in the Kelligii Muslim and Warmongers camp -- in the cyber jungle. Common boys you know what I’m talking about. Come on board (fully) and let’s transition the more interesting discussion of the “how “part -- the keyfiyah. What faction should make what compromises? What might constitute just resolution? What becomes of the leading warlords?

^Adduunyo! Extremely short in time akhyaarta -- 2morrow I will bring the hammer with me and for sure do some smackdown exercise. For all the peeps that are itching to dive right into the fray just for reminder the topic is reconciliation. Some parts of Somalia are in the middle of a devastating civil war. This war has been ragging for quite sometimes now. Foreign powers as well as regional powers have taken sides and are now deeply entrenched into the conflict. No disagreement on the need to end the conflict, expel foreigners out of Somali soil, and bring back the functioning state with all its blessings -- stability, peace, rule and law among many. On the same page on that one I hope. Btw any1 having issue with this bit? No! Moving on hadaba... At issue is how to end the conflict or put it differently how to get the Tigre out and then sit down and do biz! Che the lil man he is has nothing to put on the table other than you know if you have frequented this place. Isse is stricken with something I have yet to figure out. He is always shooting the other direction. No substantive talk coming from that man. Ayoub is rageedii! He knows how important it is to end the dispute through dialogue. He’s just so fixated the power play and how things may turn out when all is said and done. Pretty understandable from secessionists perspective!! My man Kashafa -- the cyber Green Beret -- is full of it. But let me hold on to that thought and put this lil screaming baby to its crib. The term ilko-yar is a term coined by Kismayo residents -- Col Billiqo days -- a rebel who opposed Inna Barre's rule (in support of his cousin Col. Jees) during latter part of eighties. Government brought in a division from Gedo that belonged to one single sub clan. The rest was history. Now back to Kashafa, Where do I start? You are all over the place. Rubbish. Nonsense! No substance there I can sink my teeth into. We are talking about reconciliation dirrin rolled out for warring clans -- deeply rooted clan grievances that won’t go away until and unless this lady is stripped its dress and her private parts are examined literally. Folks have been killed, women gang raped, properties looted -- all in the name of clan. This effing elephant has not gone away. Folks there have yet to put that baby to bed. We’re talking about real issues. Absent of institutional framework that’sstrong enough to manage conflicts the dirrin is all Somalis have left to lean on. Blanket amnesty for leading culprits, total and complete pardon for all the gangs -- who knows what will come out of it. Surely you are aware of the dirrin worked in Puntland. That’s how Northwest folks settled all outstanding issues too. Dying bread followed by dhoocilo word attributed to clannish mentality makes a nice bunch line but the cantra-baqash you spewed there does not fit the discussion we are having here. Awoowe no one is raising fortunes for anyone. That’s an empty rhetoric. It is just pure rubbish. I mean is this just cantrabaqash for the sake of hunqaaco-spewing! Principles and Diin!!! I mean what paragraph do these sound bite figure in this context? What is this? Are you by any chance lip signing from familiar song or something? I mean how does getting the record straight (on-line) translate into “raising fortunes” for fellow clan members “at the expense of principles and Diin”? Answer to your question: Kismayo is my hometown. During the civil war it changed hands. The folks, born and bred in the city, have been uprooted, fled, or killed. ******** and Jirri did all the damages. Residents properties have been looted or occupied. The junk marauding militias you seem to be defending now are thugs who live by the gun and feed on the business people. Pretty boy let me educate you how the world works. Identity politics, tribalism, race, class, and what have you are fact of life. It is what makes world round. Folks are organized, exploited, and mobilized on these bases. Somalis are not different. Sham is for Sham residents and Xijas belongs to ehul Xijas. Quebec is for French, Glasgow for Scotts, and Dublin for Irish. Bossasso is Somali city and it is open for all peace loving Somalis yet there are folks who call it their hometown. Likewise Kismayo is Somali city open for all peace loving, law abiding, Allh fearing Somalis to invest, to settle, or to do business. But make no mistake there are folks who call that city their hometown. Awoowe Baashi is an accomplished professional. He is true Muslim. He is for Greater Somalia when its time comes. He is for justice for all. He is for Sharia-based government. He is for reconciling warring clans through dialogue -- just, all inclusive, and negotiated settlement. You are against this process. I don’t defend Inna Yussuf. Never did. You are lying again. And yes I discuss issue of importance. We discussed occupation and other issues. We just didn’t see eye to eye on that one. If you are interested in such topics plz post one -- and make sure you frame the discussion such a way that favors your views on the topic. Blabber I’m the only true sincere Muslim all you want but when it comes to the substance of the issue and coherence I will give you a nice fill of the issue. Finally it comes no surprise to all who read your cantrabaqash with impartial glasses that you are ridiculing the losses of lives and properties the innocent civilians of Kismayo and Las Ano have sustained at the hands of militia. So much of I’m the only true and sincere Muslim on the board.

Ayoub, You haven't given me enough material to chew on What has Inna Yussuf got to do with Kismayo? He is not from there and he doesn’t belong there. So are Morgan and Af Gudud. The reason they are involved in the matter is because we are still in conflict. Naturally they are siding with their fellow clan members who happen to call Juba area their home. Ask my fellow hommie BOB and he will tell you that residents who populated there prior the conflict are indeed natives. Zimbabwe-like issue you have envisioned from a distance is a biased opinion motivated by your dislike of certain segments of Somalis. When it comes to Juba the province my folks are minority. In Kismayo they form the majority (or they used to be) and certainly own almost all properties within city limits (real estate, shipping industry, warehouses, hotels, cinemas, etc) -- in each category they dominate. Today ****** who make up the junk of marauding militia who happen to live in government premises (public schools, looted factories, military garrisons, and properties owned by Bajunis, Somali-Persian and Somali-Arab merchants -- Jacfar and Badr progeny are refugees in Yemen) rule what used to be a thriving cosmopolitan (nomadic standards). This is an injustice. In marfishes and fadhi-ku-dirrir premises when one subclan are routed by another the event makes a memorable sound bite and gives one side bragging rights. But still that doesn’t change the fact it is barbaric act that needs to be settled and reversed. I figured if property issue is settled peacefully and justly -- the natives (unless you are rooting for particular natives) will win big time and thugs and those who support the business they're in will lose. The challenge is how to get them in the dirrin -- that’s the million dollar question I don’t have an answer for! Now since you agree the process is a noble one why don’t you come on board. Or are you afraid that “defeated lot” the folks whose demise (clan cleansing at the hands of USC militia) you cheered for along my good friend Oodweyne will benefit if justice is served? [ January 30, 2008, 10:54 PM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]