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Not a big deal. She has committed a crime and justice has been served. End of the story, period. Somalis are not the only people who have run-ins with the law or for that matter commit crimes. Greed is a human attribute.

^^Drop it bro. Your objections against this beat is outside the comfort zone of consensus thinking. This joint is practicing groupthink to the teeth. You are swimming upstream buddy. I watched the beat last night. It was riddled with inconsistencies, innuendos, and half-truths. Beacuse of the tragedy he exposed and the unpopularity of TFG entity, the fact that the reporting was done poorly and the reporter didn't prove the alleged crimes committed by the individuals he targeted was overlooked in the thread. There are also those who have political affiliations with TFG nemessis.

The pursue of opportunities for some. Raising families in culture/religion-friendly countries such as Middle East/East Africa for some. Work related reasons for others.

Hassan Turki is an innocent man. I blve he is sincere in his desire of seeing a dignified and and independent Somalia led by practicing Muslims. However the man doesn't know how to bring about that vision. He is naive in the art of war making. He doesn't have practical understanding of employing "khidca" when necessary. He has no winning strategy we know of apart of fighting the enemy "tooth and nail".

What if you: 1. have a comfortable living of standard 2. have a significant economic security 3. rely on your expertise for your income 4. are politically active 5. are educated in higher institution 6. are white-color salaried professional 7. own your own house (as opposed to renting) 8. consider yourself and your peers as being influential But don't share cultural background with the host country or say you are a practicing Muslim. In that case, it follows is it not, that you won't consider attending opera or taking wine tasting tour in the vineyards as distinct taste that validates the social strata you are in!!

^Not all folks who have that intellectual hobby are khat addicts. Somali classical literature is no differant from say French, English or Arabic classical literature.

I will be judgmental and say she is a convert. I haven't read the whole article yet nevertheless I have always associated Nirvana with Hinduism/Budhism and New Age sprituality stuff. A touch of unrestrained excitement about nothing!

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Sen. Biden has apparently laid the maximum smackdown on Joe Lieberman -- Muslim hating Jew in the senate repping CT. Likewise he put McCain and his newly found Neocon friends and the far right Conservatives on notice with this: Beyond bluster, how would Mr. McCain actually deal with these dangers? You either talk, you maintain the status quo, or you go to war . If Mr. McCain has ruled out talking, we're stuck with an ineffectual policy or military strikes that could quickly spiral out of control. Watch out folks Obama has big time surrogates speaking on his behalf

Originally posted by Ducaysane: Enjoy following gabay guys. Aabahay rumaad iyo kolkii, hooyo laga reebo Shugriyey wax ruux iyo naf leh, baad iigu roontahaye Anna sida aan kuu rabo dhab baan, kaaga raaridiye Rasmi inuu kalgacalkaygu yahay, oo aanan riyoonaynin Rabbigii i uuntay baa igu ogee, rubuc intaad qaado Raaliyadii aan saanyadaay, ramo odhaahdayda Oo soo rujuuc oo niyada, hayga kala reebin Anoo ruug-caddaaya oo aan lahayn, rug iyo raas toona Anoon raasamaal haysan iyo, kob aan ku raaxaysto Raggu maalintay shiri anoo, la iska kay reebo Hadalkayga oon run iyo been, axad rabaa joogin Rabbi mahadii Eebaa, nikaax iigu kaa ridaye Kolkan reerka buuxiyo adoo, raaxo ii sababay Rabbi kuma cadaabee abaal, raaga adigoo leh Sidee baanan aad kuugu rabin, saw nin rag ah ma ahi Natfaa kuu riyaaqday oo ducaan, kuu ratibayaaye Rabbigayna wuu iga aqbali, saan rajaysnahaye Adduunyada ku raag oo wax badan, ribix ku noolowe Risiqa Eebe kuu waasacyoo, raas qabow noqo e Raggaa iyo raggii ay dhaleen, oo isdaba roori Intay gaadhiyaal kuuraraan, raarta buuxsada e Thanks to Dollo.com ^I'm feeling it awoowe. Great thanks Ducaysane. Maa shaa Allah. Somali literature at its best. I will save this one for posterity.

Nuune, yes I spent 21 month in Iceland doing xamaali but I'm now back home sweet home. Casarkii haddaan weel la culay, caano kugu siiyo, Cishihii haddaan sarar cusbaale, kugu cashaysiiyo, Oo waa caafimaad rage haddaan, cagaha kuu duu go. Message a la old school Walee inay qoftaas naag ku banaan tahay

^What DNA? Again no one cares about your DNA or gives squat of who you are!! All matters is your argument and so far it has many holes. Folks will point out these holes as long as they exist. It is shame that you are resorting to non-existing issue of 'folks dismiss me becuase of who I am'! Get yourself together dude. On a second thought, I commend you the fact that you are man enough to own up your mistakes. You got 2 points there. [edit] Awoowe warkaasu war xun ma aha. We disagree on this and thats where it oughta be left. I know Xiin in person and he is one of the most renowned culama in Minneapolis. He truly abhors Col. Yey, Tigre, and opponents of Islamic governance.

Xiinoow awoowe nimankan cyber mujahidka wada ah show hadalkaba laguma qabto.

What!!!! Huh! Abtigiis no awoowe. You are wrong on that post. To opine Somali conflict requires understanding of all the players of the conflict and what the fight is all about. I let in some light inside the dark corners of the mundul. Understanding does not mean acceptance. Awoowe negative tribalism is a fact of life in that sand dune. To deny that fact on the ground is a tantamount to burying your head in the sand. I didn’t say squat about your genealogy or your motivations. The daemons dancing in your head are playing tricks on you papa. You are not reading the post friend. Looks like you are relying on whatever image you had constructed about my persona. Read the post again and read ur response. There is a disconnection btw the two. Awoowe you might not be the clannish type. You might be sincere in your wish of Somalia free of negative tribalism and foreign interference but sxb Somalia of today and Somalis who populate it are far from that characterization. My post was not about you. It was about that reality. You haven’t refuted the reality I was describing there. In this forum you have many different opinions about what Somali conflict is all about. Some think it is about Islamists as a group against non-Islamists. Others believe it is about Ethiopia against Somalia. There are school of thought that says it is about Somalis themselves vying for power and resources and faction of that wrestling match have sought reinforcement from unlikely foe and former rival (here is where naiveté got lost in the intricacies of practical politicking of dog eat dog world). I happen to subscribe to the latter. From what I’m reading on the forum you seem to subscribe to the second school. We differ. Big deal. There it is -- raw meat for you in the latter school. Go get it papa and easy with ad hominem nonsense.

Xiinoow don’t mind Abtigiis. Read his posts again plz. All he wants is Somalis to prevail in this fight. The trouble with that terrain of thought is that there are no one front line here (hek there is no one UIC front too) and he seems to have chosen to put all of his eggs in Col. Uways and Col Turki basket. The underlying myth in all of this is that the civil war has ended and Somalis have put their quarrel aside. Reading some of the emotionally loaded diatribe posted on this corner of the forum, one would come away with the notion that whatever animosity that may have existed between Somalis has evaporated the moment Tigre mercenaries set their foot in Somali soil. They sound as if no rancor, no bitterness, no deep-seated ill will toward each other, no residual grievances now exit -- it is all dandy! Folks are all united in their determination to confront the Tigre mercenaries by any means necessary!! Notice how the arguments for continuation of hostilities are formulated. In one stripe it is struggle for sharia-based governance. In another stripe it is a liberation struggle! All principled and freedom loving Somalis are all up in arms is the thesis advanced here by keyboard commandos. Somalis here refers to real and noble Somalis who know something about how precious freedom is. The rest are either collaborators or pansies lacking courage and valor. If this sounds a concerto from the propaganda symphony to you it is because it flies in the face of the truth. And it is because you know for real that only handful of Somalis from certain region majority of whom belong to certain segment of the population are carrying out all of the missions. Why? You know that Col. Hassan Turki followers operating in Juba valley and Col. Uways loyalist putting up tough resistance in Benadir and parts of Central region are footing the bill in its entirety here. The rest are either sitting out of the battle, join the other side, or see the whole thing as an extension of the civil war now in its fifth gear. Courts’ support has not materialized into real asset for the two groups mentioned above. Objective observers know why. It has to do with disagreement of the nature of the fight. Simply put, Somalis are not on the same page on this one. Now I would have respected their argument had they acknowledged the facts as they are and qualified their forceful pitch for continuation of the fight against Tigre and TFG loyalist as an existential fight for post-conflict Somalia free of foreign interference. Making that sort of argument means one would must forge unity to face and defeat disciplined and resourceful army. It follows that one must be more willing to sit down his fellow Somalis and see to it he plays one's crds right. Awoowe your innocent confidence that there could be two sides to this hotly contested Somali civil war is not getting a fair hearing from this joint. Your insistence on the maxim that house divided by itself cannot succeed is lost on the ad hominem argument in keeping with rhetorical habits of latte-sipping armchair generals.

The man is no appeaser. There is nothing wrong with his character. It just so happened that he sees things differently than Col. Uways et al. Prof. Caddow -- a man who wears many hats -- is on the same page with Sh. Ahmed too. Courts are divided on how to take on the monster they are wrestling with. One faction says "bring him on" a la G. Bush famous line. They are willing to pay the price. The other faction took diametrically opposed position. They argue that if the goal is to dislodge the Tigre from Somali soil then there are several other routes they can embark on. They are of the view that all options are on the table. Pick ur faction but don't you employ ad hominem plz.

^ Now sheekhoow where do you draw the line? Is urs wacdi or xodxodosho?

^ War ka daa.

North, no it was not a PR stunt. It was UN sponsored conference for warring factions to explore ways and means to end the conflict. It might or might not work as the case is with all UN efforts but clearly it is sincere and noble effort. Foot soldiers make or break such efforts by either violating the terms of the ceasefire or making provocative pronouncements to undermine these efforts. Al-Shabaab are the ones who are holding the line and their cooperation is a must for their leaders to be credible. I don't think you are questioning the need to end the conflict. Or are you? Terms for that goal are open for discussion lakin ha la dirriro dagaal waxan ahayn daawo lagu waa is not a path forward baba.

Political stability is prerequisite for mature industry such as O&G to take root and succeed. Clearly that is not the case. Logistics, local suppliers, and nuts and bolts of the trade are all lacking. Folks are not positioned to take advantage of the exploration effort. The other thing is folks involved in finalizing the deal are not up to the task. I know some of the personalities involved. Allah help them. In any event, I wish them luck.

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