Maashaa Allah. The nation is uniting day by day:)

Abtigiis;952229 wrote: Dear Gabbal, I hear you and I am guilty of many things. Obviously, I am not defending myself here for I am sure I have many foibles. So, I will look through the list of the issues you raised on my person and will deal with those I can and will leave those I can’t shed. Can I count on you doing a bit of introspection and really questioning yourself if hate and clan ego does not motivate you? It may be true that you are an impeccable nationalist we misunderstood, we don’t live with you. We only judge the positions you take in this forum and the last few months were painful to watch. On the Kismaayo issue, people have taken two positions: one group claims to oppose it based on principle, the principle being that the process is foreign-driven and flawed. The other group supports it arguing the process is legitimate and consultative enough. Within both groups, you have people who are sincere and some who are mischievous. It is hard to tell who is sincere and who is using principles to push a sinister agenda. Xinnfanin belongs to one group; Oba Hiloowle belongs to the other. You do not belong to both these groups. What is incontestable is that you have shown lots of ill-will and hate for a particular clan, a clan which you could not resist to badmouth even when you were defending yourself against the charge that you are motivated by clan interest. That level of hate is not normal. (1) It is false to ascribe the Jubbaland issue to Kenya. Kenya may be messing up, Kenya may be doing bad things, but the clans who want this administration will still want the regional administration even if Kenya doesn’t desire it. This is one of the mischiefs I see in your arguments. You twist the facts because acknowledging it defeats your verity. The current geopolitics may be favouring a particular clan to the detriment of the interests of the other clans. That cannot be gainsaid. But to claim that the favoured clan is there simply because Kenya wished it and will disappear if it doesn’t is not true. You peddle that lie with impish abandon. Can you clan chase away the favoured clan if Kenya withdraws? Probably yes. But does that mean that will be the end of the story? Maybe not! So, don’t bring down the bigger historical claim and counter-claims over Kismaayo to the Kenyan invasion alone! (2) In the morning, you imply that you are ready to support the Jubbaland process if it is to lead to particular outcome. In the afternoon, when a different outcome is projected, you reject it. This is what makes you unique and what given the impression that your support or rejection has nothing to do with principle. (3) You are not open-minded about the solution. For instance, it seems you would prefer if war starts in Kismaayo today rather than if a compromise is reached, if that comprise in any way includes a deal that keeps Ahmed Madoobe or a member of his clan in power. It seems you think it is the end of the world if your community does not take the helm in Kismaayo. You must disabuse yourself of this fanaticism. Somalia does not disappear because a particular political settlement in a one town is unjust – assuming it is unjust. There are lots of injustices in the country, but justice is not the exclusive problem of Kismaayo alone nor the priority right now. Pacifying the country and winning the war against Alshabab is the priority. You prefer Alshabab’s revival instead of seeing Ahmed Madoobe ruling Kismaayo. This is abnormal, because Ahmed Madoobe is saying he recognizes the government, but Alshabab doesn’t want to see the government you support. So, how can you support the enemy of the government you purport to like and support? It is this conditional support that scares me about you. There are many things that can be said. Let us just hope I will reflect on the deficiencies you highlighted and you will look at those I raised about you. To the extent each of us finds things to correct and we shed some bad traits and thoughts and we embrace new positive values, this confrontation would be useful. Ngonge, If the driver is zig-zagging the steering and crushing already quarrelling passengers against each other, the first thing to be done is to stop the car and bring on a driver that can steady the car. That is the immediate solution. The durable solution though is to resolve the conflict between the passengers once they are firmly seated in their seats but still not talking to each other. It may be unfair to focus on Gabbal alone when we have all shown clannish tendencies at one time or another, but I believe he is the worst offender and he is too serious about this clan thing. That is my perception. I don't focus on Oodweyne, and the SL contingent because I know their needlessly solicitous fixation on Kismaayo is to them only part of the larger "Ictiraaf" scheme. Nothing more, nothing less. The Ictiraaf can only come if the south continues to implode, that is the logic. So, whatever ignites fire in the south is to be supported and cheered. Fantastic response;)

Lol Djibouti is involved in the land grab. It has leased land in Malawi:cool:

What a shame!!

SOMALI RESOURCES FOR THE SOMALI PEOPLE. Keep the thieves in suits out. Somalis through out their peace-time history cultivated their own land and fed their own population so I see no reason we should change that tradition and let in commercial colonists.

Abtigiis, waad salaamantahay walaal and of course I know Chimera is not in the category of the bed-wetting "nationalists" who are it seems the curse of this forum. The guy is genuine and reminds me of the days I used to believe in and wave the blue flag:p

Insha Allah next year we will have the Red Arrows decorating the Hargeisa sky with green, white, and red colours:o

Abtigiis;952199 wrote: As Someone for whom I have immense respect and who is clearly not among the loony club of goat-skinners I were attacking in this post, including their infamous chef de band Gabbal, it is hard to disagree with you. You are always one step ahead and I learn a lot each time you speak in this forum. And this is not flattery, for one of my debilitating weakness is to be economical with appreciation for people. I mean it. While I agree with the gist of your conclusion, I will say the jury is yet out on the current leadership at best. I think you will agree with that. What happens in the next one year and the progress of the political processes in the country will determine whether we owe them an apology for slighting them prematurely or whether they should be hanged for taking the country down. So, let's wait and see. Judging by what I see, I think they will not deliver and I believe this is the conclusion of many well-informed Somalis. But still, it is good to give time to people. BTW, with profound sadness I have learned that the bright Carafaat is now the black and white Eshu - the sprit of confusion and oscillation - and is a Somali patriot before lunch and an ardent agitator of communal strife in the South after dinner. How times change. I am joining your Chimera fan club;)

walaalkis;951979 wrote: I don't suppor this and never will. I wonder how the people in Khatumo and awdal state feel about this . Lets talk to the real people not the one in power Orod oo lasoo hadal dee yaa kuu diidan:confused:

Mario B;952036 wrote: Don't you just love clan celebrations and gatherings?:cool: Yeah it is better than anti-social internet trolling:eek:

nuune;951960 wrote: caawa Birmingham baashaalka adduunka ka jiro, party starting in few minutes, hope I last until 2am so can get ready for early morning flight Adigu horta halkaad u duushaa marwalba:confused: Are you aware we have a global warming crisis?:mad:

Abtigiis;952186 wrote: Dear Gabbal, What you posted as an alibi may prove I can be crude and coarse, but no, inconsistency? Nah! In truth, I find the language I used when I called for the impeachment of President Hassan few moons ago, woefully awkward. But given how things transpired since then, how remarkably prescient I was. All of the allegations I made are no more allegations but an incontestable reality. I said the President would rather have a civil war than allow a particular clan dominate the politics of Jubbas. I said he is trying to use a certain community as a pebble to advance that cause. I think the aborted fart of Bare Hiiraale is the alibi. I said there is a risk of civil war. We have not seen the polarization we witness today for the last 10 years, even during the Ethiopian invasion. I felt impeaching the President may be the first step towards saving the country. I still feel the same way. What changed is that I have realized that I must keep my wish to myself but allow the matter to run its course and leave it to the legislative branch. In any case, as you know, both you and me do nothing but talk in this forum. I am yet to see you deposing a President or carrying a poor women in labour to the delivery ward by way of civic altruism. And therefore, my call for impeachment would not amount to anything beyond the "fart a dog breaks out to put off a furnace" to quote the Immortal Achebe. My current position - and yes the thoughts of sensible human beings do mutate - is that the present political challenges need a mature political leadership and the problem is no longer about who owns what but the existence of a prudent leadership that can navigate through this problem. I do not have a predetermined and preferred outcome. There are only two foundational guiding principles that must not be breached: one, there should be no return to civil war; two, the unity of the country must be maintained. It is therefore my humble submission that the critical problem in Somalia today is a crisis of leadership. Your position last year, and the year before last, and today, - and yes intellectual midgets mistake intransigence for consistency and rarely do alter their thoughts - remains that unless your clan gets a particular town, there should be no peace. It is this undiluted madness that I object to. I do realize the current arrangement in Kismaayo is favouring a particular clan, which also is not right. However, if I were to witness Barrel Hiirale taking Kismayo tomorrow and his community dominating that town, I would have supported that status quo rather than call for mayhem. For I believe, the debate about who owns a town or land is as pointless as who owns the sky. In due course, when law and order comes back to Somalia, it is he who has money who will own land and town, not the fool who recounts ancestral domicile. Waranle, thanks walaal. That is exactly what I believe and implied a few times. With genuine democracy where every man and woman has one vote, the issue of land ownership becomes irrelevant.

I wish the Somali people knew the basic manners of social gatherings and listened quietly when there are speakers on the stage. Their constant chattering is very annoying :mad:

oba hiloowlow;952138 wrote: my 18th may present for landers http://vocaroo.com/i/s0MblO3P7EC0 I give you 7/10;)

oba hiloowlow;952100 wrote: SP are you nuts nobody learns the mothers abtiris :eek: ;)

Carafaat;951828 wrote: Xaaji, where are those pictures from Mogadishu Waaryaa ninka wareersan, today it is not about Mogadishu;)

OdaySomali;951725 wrote: Be realistic, in Somali terms, 2KM is a huge achievement... even more so when you consider that most Somali 'cities' don't span more than a few KM's. So if we Somalis can get a few KM's done in our cities every 6 months, we'll be there soon enough. Please teach these kids some logic:o

What a beautiful day maashaa Allah. Can someone post photos and videos from other region in the country?

Saalax;951812 wrote: Tallaabo stop polluting every thread with your negativity troll. Inaar it is true one of Warancadde's lions once killed a young woman in the Hargeisa dry driver area. I believe he shaould have been banned from keeping anymore wild animals.

His lions should be confiscated because one of them once killed a woman.

Dr_Osman;951806 wrote: Xaji xunjfow ogow sanadka kowda august waxba lama harayno. Airforceki ayaa ka duuli doono ogow Hubkasi iyo cidamadasi aad soo ban-dhigteen mid ka si badan baan soo bandhigayna. Wa inoo kowdi Lol It is all in your head Ditoore because Puntland is our good neighbour. We cooperate on many areas of mutual interest.

^@12:30 PM GMT it is still a headline news. Maashaa Allah;)

What does Islam say about celebrating non Islamic days like this? May Allah help the people of Somaliland and all their brethren in the Horn.

MMA is Kim Jong-Un in the making;)

Mario B;951078 wrote: Because Habrolanders have been reinventing the wheel since 1991. Not really. Getting a new country code is a long process and we are still patient;) When we do get it though, I would like it to be 007;)