Maaddeey;776572 wrote: ^ Qandalawi, You are not making any sense!. From Kismayo to Ceelasha Biyaha & Baydhabo to Afgoye, all these places are under his leadership and authority and he still needs to hide his face!?, who do you think he's afraid of?. furthermore his people regard him with the highest esteem, would they be so if he was wearing ladies' garment? He just a coward, couldn't defend Baydhabo....he is just a loser in this life and hopefully in the next life too.

I think every responsible man should have two wives...In Somalia we have real widows and mafrish widows, so I suggest that men who can look after their families should take a second wife.

Cambuulo iyo bun;801649 wrote: Im no ethiopian supporter and i hate them as much as u guys do but we have to be realistic and see the problem here which is AL SHABAAB The problem here is that Somalia Republic doesn't yet have a capable Army. This is the institution that we need to constitute if we are going to stop relying on foreign troops. AMISON will be spending 500m Dollars in the next 12 months when we all know that 20 percent of that amount can build 30K Somali troops.

General Duke;801418 wrote: That's a great point, Fiqi did a great job of explaining to the envious folks the issue. Duke, Just admit it, you were defending "PL" right to print it's own currency.

burahadeer;801395 wrote: ; ye but you broke your & our country into pieces,wanted to take ova every city ,every region & all the weath that was coming to somalia.You used somali national army meant for the greater enemy,bombarded whole cities,killing 100,000s & making millions refuges thus creating the somalia of today & still you'r the one crying loudest about greater somalia.!!!Who is gona listen to you? Let otha somalis deal with us & wait what we come up with...which is 2 separate entities.It's out of your hand now buddy cos you don't have nothing to show off. Dream on!!

General Duke;801398 wrote: It's not phony it's not a shamm this is an action of a government reacting to changes on the ground. Thus let's not jump around for clan reasons and attack a whole State out of envy. :confused:

Sage, i'll save the money if I were you, "SL" recognition is just a pipe dream.

Fiqikhayre;801375 wrote: I believe that we need dialogue but if people purposefully try to block this then one doesn't need to wonder about Dr. Osman. He shows the likes of MMA where the real powers lie and I would commend him to put his threads into this forum by showcasing what the State is and show how proud he is to call himself a Puntlander. The likes that criticise the State are the same ones who in their home regions have nothing to brag about. Tonight Baidoa and Baladweyne are patrolled by Ethiopian troops and rag tag militia made up of Ahlusunnah and militias hailing from those towns. There are no institutions, no structures, no administration, no clear borders, no parliament, no constitution of any sort. They have just been liberated by a neighbouring country. Mogadishu has Amisom peace keepers that protect key institutions in the city such as the airport, Villa Somalia etc. The criticism MMA is talking about that Puntland has an own army is laughable, Where in Somalia does a National Army exist is the question? Who has been safeguarding Puntland borders from external enemies? It only shows that MMA is angry that Puntland has put its house in order and he can't fix his own that's why he needs us to be the same or int he same situation as him. Who would protect the livelihoods of the people of Puntland and its properties if there wasn't a Puntland Army and State Security? Puntland is a very large and the only recognised Federal State in Somalia now in a future Federal republic of Somalia. It has it's own Parliament, functioning institution, political structures, a long self governing history and security operatus to safeguard its citizens. In short they have brought their house in order, bring yours in order to. Dr. Osman show them the Pictures adeer so that they might even feel more envy. Bring it on. You just sounded like a Somalilander. Are you a secessionist in disguise? Here me thinking my region [sSC] is about to save Somali union only to be shown the reality of double-dealing "Puntlander". :eek:

The Sage;801376 wrote: Looks like Ali Khalif's project is officially dead in the water. The abandonment of the state by TFG and PL not to mention the signifcant challenge posed by Somaliland ensured that this idea was short lived. Dream on.!!

The Hermet;801335 wrote: I would slit my own brothers neck if he attempted to divide Somaliland. No one is begging anyone, but ive been to Somaliland many times, and as God is my witness its not a tribalist state, we built Somaliland as a collective, In 1960 the las canod sultan rejected somaliland somalia unification, We share a common history because we live together everywhere, The children of Las canod, buhoodle etc...they need education, they need a decent living standard, instead of believing Galayds lies, of which the man is a serial lier, spend money on developing your region. Look at Borama, mashallah prospering, Hargaisa prospering, everywhere else is prospering, dont be ******, dont lack behind, we have to progress and move forward. Hermet, are you taking credit for there being peace in Borama and the rest of Awdal?, as far as I know..."SL" Gov has never put a penny in Awdal, the Airport in Borama is like a field of farm. The port in Lughya, it takes 2 days to unload 50 tonnes of goods because ships can't dock. The triangle towns are ripping off the people Awdal, Sool and Sanaag, it's time this farce ended. The only time "SL" has invested in Sool and Sanaag is when they are building police stations.

The Hermet;801367 wrote: Its called visiting Somaliland saxib...visit Somaliland. You Abdul, Mario, Alliyah come back and tell me if your people are being abused or mistreated...and look at the difference between Borama, Hargaisa, etc and then visit buhoodle tell me what khatumo is... Will I be killed if walked on the streets of Las Canood with my big blue flag? :rolleyes: Wasn't Buhoodle bombed recently by SNM militia, it my have war scars from our "friendly neighbours".

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;801361 wrote: Meeshaanba waxee ka dhigeen little kindergarten playgrounds. Everyone tolka ahayn that questions the ridiculousness of this and others is a 'hater.' Waa sheeko afar iyo shan jiriyaasha. Such a... Sahib, that's the story of all Somalis..."My clan, take it or leave it"!! :mad:

General Duke;801357 wrote: Mario Adeer go figure things out for yourself. I am not interested in picking a fight with a junior lightweight. As for the rest, make sure you understand that insulting the State for clannish reasons wont wash. Ha ha ha... Just admit it, you didn't know what you were defending. :cool:

General Duke;800901 wrote: These people are just haters. The worse ones are those who later on will claim that they are actually part of Puntland and they love it. Yet at every opportunity will insult the people and institutions. One can not stand these clowns. You came out as a clown too going all defensive without knowing the gist of the story.

Xaaji Xunjuf;801303 wrote: Dont need to the map says it all and i am not you're friend So your state comes "alives" on some illustration in some economic magazine...what a shameless loser you're!!

^^ And your solution?

The Hermet;801305 wrote: Alliyah walal...walahi im a nationalist at heart...Your people live Everywhere in Somaliland they prosper they welcomed everywhere no problem...If you dont believe me, Somaliland is your country visit it and see for yourself. You are more then welcome to any city in Somaliland we know we brothers and sisters...the pirates waxba ha ka sugin they fighting along sub sub sub clan political arrangements... We live together around buhoodle, we live together in Sool we aint going anywhere, no need to create further division. We shared Somaliland before and we will share it again inshallah. I won't argue with the above, so long as "SL" don't become a "Phantom State" ....and as a unionist no one harasses me for putting my blue flag in front of my porch.

Xaaji Xunjuf;801301 wrote: Mario Somalia and Somaliland case is different Somaliland declared re- independence in 1991 and the country they once shared a union with fell into anarchy and clanish wars.That said the union of 1960 was an equal union even if Somalia refuse to agree on the dissolved Union its still legal. Because the O'gaden and nfd is different case they were forcefully Incorporated into Kenya and Ethiopia so they need to first get their independence from adis ababa and Nairobi. Keep lying to yourself, States are not found under a tree....I don't know when you're going to wake up to that fact.

Xaaji Xunjuf;801293 wrote: Not really A map of a "Phantom state" lol ....try harder my friend. :cool:

The Hermet;801294 wrote: ^^^ Furthermore most somali's couldnt care less if Somaliland left or not..it seems be the siadists that oppose it, on their grounds of " Somali Unity" which all somali's know is absolute Garbage...The Siadists distroyed Somali Unity therefore they are in no position to cry about Somali Unity Somali's understand this hense why Southern Somali's never talk about Somaliland this and that...they dont care... Keep lying to yourself...

Xaaji Xunjuf;801290 wrote: Mario actually most Somalis are secessionists the Somalis in the O'gaden want an independent state the region is around 6 Million The one in kenya are also fighting for self determination on a different scale though but more based on regionalism. And you already know about Somaliland. I refer to Somalis in Somalia, the majority of secessionist i know from Somalia come from "Besha Dhexe" in Somalia, as for ******ia and NFD....well they will have to get permission from Addis and Nairobi respectively. There is no unilateralism in state affairs....

Xaaji Xunjuf;801283 wrote: ^Yes and the world recognizes Somalia as a failed state Yes, in which "Somaliland" is part of the failure, because clan warlords 21 years ago brought down the Central government and set up regional fiefdoms....that's why it's a failed state. You are part of the failure....:cool:

burahadeer;801199 wrote: the one who is worried is the one always talking about greater somalia & live in Desert.Mogadishu,Baidabo,Kismayo,Bweyne could care less about greater somalia.You won't see thm drunk with this topic round the clock.Only the usual suspects have no way to turn:D Most Somalis are not secessionist like you and wont want their country broken into bits.

STOIC;801267 wrote: Lander, We may have different of opinions on this issue, but we are both supporting SL aspirations (I refrain from using the word Project from now). Somaliland is a fact on the ground.No question about that.For the first time in its exceedingly long history , Somaliland today is recognized as independent region that has traveled the long path from dirt-poor dream of secession to a fully recognized legitimate region..Somaliland has battled to fend off South Somalia hegemony in Somali government.They have marched into the Wilderness of Somalia along with their guns.They have gained the stalwart ally of countries like Britain and the western world because of their pure aspiration to rebuild their homeleland.Somalis of different clans and descriptions have also sought refuge in major Somaliland cities.It is this stunning results that won the hearts of people like me.Now lurking beneath all this accolade is the recognition Somaliland people and government crave for. Whether tomorrow produces a new recognition and commitment from the rest of the world -or a continue reluctance to do so-would in large part determine the future of Somaliland.The new legitimacy conferred on Somaliland by the London conference has kept and reinforced the lid on Somaliland secession.The South Somalia is forced to negotiate with SL.Everything seems to be falling in place for Somaliland.Yet at heart, we all know that it would be foolish for SL to negotiate with any Somalia government until a two legitimate government are elected in South Somalia to test their stability.If you try to confront the issue consciously you will realize that Somaliland will stay this way for a very long time.When the shifts and shakiness of South Somalia rings warning bell to the rest of the world, SL can keep pushing.Before that could happen, of course, you need to entertain what if South Somalia can produce a legitimate government and the lid is blown-off for SL recognition by the rest of the world.I think we would be forced in this spirit to settle for whatever the world hands to Somaliland people.I understand this will NOT seat well with collective conscious of the kids born after 1991, but what Choice do we have then? Somaliland can go one of two ways then, and i doubt this needs any elaboration.For now Sheikh Shareef can hem and haw whether dancehall state (Khatumo) is a legitimate state while the world take notice of SL aspirations... The world recognises "Somaliland" as a peacefull region of Somalia... nothing more, nothing less.:cool:

Mukulaalow;801257 wrote: My advice to Khaatumo people, Get your selves together, Liberate your capital, start providing services to your people, Get your own army and police to protect your borders. Then everything will fall into line, you can not waste your time seeking something which is not on Shariif or Cabdiwali's hands, you need to create realities on the ground, then 2 regions or more may not matter as Galmudug did. Wise words, we need to change the reality on the ground...:cool: