I thought you had more in you. Are you from Gsa?

Soldiers without uniform is predicated mainly on orders given in a rush. The police that came to the rescue of Eastleigh wore no uniform and they had their OCS/OCPDs' (those who command them) with them. What does it tell you? They were on their own volition just because they had no uniform? All indications indicate that the soldiers in Garissa were ordered whether whimsical or planned. But was it a calculated move? Was it in order despite the killings? What about the 40 policemen killed in Turkana? Why no one revenged for them? Some of their decomposed bodies are still strewn in the valley. What do you think would've happened If, hypothetically speaking, those 40 policemen were killed in North Eastern? Inhumane actions on grand scale would've taken place, without doubt.

Apophis;891699 wrote: What are you comparing Kenya with? Because I look at it and compare the situation to the rest of Africa and when you do that you come to the conclusion that for an African country, Kenya is alright. It could be worse, this we know. Put it in the right context I would, reluctantly, give in on this. Compared to some African countries, we're far off. But operations such as this week's dents Kenya's image as a growing democracy in a ruined region and drags the country 20-30 yrs back. Kenya's' political pundits acknowledge and have voiced their anger and concern over KDF's action. They strongly condemn and fear Kenya's reputation on the international scene have already been blistered. I have no evidence but I think it is pretty revealing that the locals choose to flee ahead of the KDF'S arrival. What does that tell you? It tells of potential fears that didn't materialize. KDF exercised restraint in Turkana (btw they're still there, and hardly do we hear a word about their presence) fully knowing they've bypassed parliament's authority and seemingly agreed to calm down. And they're being taken to court for their mere presence iyagoon waxba geysan. Compare their conduct to that of Garissa and tell me if you don't smell selective methods being used for certain sects of the society.

Marka you've to appreciate the fact that KDF operated without following the procedural requirement for such operations. And worst yet they didn't go after small units of people or suspects but went after women and children iyagoo ugeystay gross atrocities economically, physically and phsycologically.

Apophis;891692 wrote: To me it looks likes units of the KDF broke the law and attacked the citizens & property they swore to protect. It's a criminal action and I'm sure in time the ring leaders and their squadies will be dealt with accordingly . It doesn't look like but KDF have broken the law and justice will, hopefully, prevail. OK. I think the Somalis should also go to court to recieve compensation for property and suffering Granted you've acknowledged your fabricated claims of Turkana's torture. Kenyan Somalis are on the line of pursing justice through the courts. Your assertion implies the KDF was ordered to attack Garissa. What's your evidence? Have you heard of a soldier without orders? Except in mutiny. Were there any claims of mutiny in Garissa's case? Why are you inclined to believe so? Can you prove they were not ordered? Haji, is his interview, said there are provincial committees that can exercise orders for such swoops but of course with the blessing of a parliamentary decision and the defense ministry. Only the parliament can grant such permissions. Listen to today's Farah Maalim's explanation on what the law says on the domestic use of the army. It wasn't my article, it's from the BBC . The article didn't mention any mistreatment inflicted on the ordinary man in North Rift. No we cannot. As of now, there's no evidence that what happened in Garissa was a planned and ordered operation We can't prove the opposite too, ain't it?

And parliamentary committees and commission of inquiries...So sweet to hear that! So little do you know of Kenya's history with commission of inquiries. From Ouko's to Anglo-leasing to Kiplagat's. We know all about it. FYI the judiciary are rising to the fore lately (after the new constitution), and is the way to go. I await backup on your claim of Turkana's recent atrocities by KDF, because as adutiful followers of Kenyas' news, I can't recall seeing something in that line.

Apophis;891665 wrote: This is what I mean when I say the Somalis are, relatively speaking, lucky. When the Turkana are dealt with more harshly than this you can be sure there won't be any debate or investigation on the matter. Get some perspective yaaqey Inteed ku aragtey Turkanas been dealt harshly by KDF save for the reportings of KDF deployment? People had potential fears but nothing occurred. And Turkana's case is hotter than Garissa's both in parliament and outside it. I am time-restraint to dig for related news but check either K24, KTN or NTV's youtube pages and you'll get plenty on Nanok and Munyes' fight for Turkana's people (these are their elected leaders). Nanok (South Turkana's MP) spent a weekend in jail for utterances that were deemed 'hate speech' towards Kibaki's government but acquited by the court today. He is, ironically, an assistant minister. He's suing the same government now. The 2 minutes of Aden Barre's calaacal in parliament today yeysan kusirin. That is it, I tell you. But it'll take years for Garissa to recover from the economic downfall it experienced this week.

Apophis, before I start, give us your objective view of KDF's actions in Garissa, please. The deployment of KDF in Samburu where over 40 policemen were killed had no repercussion on the citizens there as the case was in Garissa. No rape. No looting. No economic crippling. They only do patrols. And are you aware of how the Turkana's leaders' reacted just because the army was deployed there? They're already in court and pursuing the issue in Parliament. And one of them is the assistant minister of internal security of Kenya, yes Kenya just as Yussuf. Yet he had the guts. They're, justifiably, going for Haji's throat in court since he directs KDF. And that's why we never see a picture of KDF presence in Samburu/Turkana now. It's only in Mt Elgon that KDF's wrath was felt and that was because they faced well trained and armed-to-the-teeth groups unlike Garissas' unarmed women and children. Their operation in Mt Elgon followed the rightful procedures that the law demands when an army is to be involved in a domestic matter. Was Garissa's case? Anyway you seem confused and hardly aware of the political strings in Kenya. Know the facts before misleading those who hardly follow Kenya and its goings (like Ngonge (swahili name?) who superficially bought your dregs). I am referring to your article on KDF's deployment in Samburu. Yes, Haji is the defence of Kenya which means KDF comes under him. We can, therefore, safely say, he ordered the attacks. Yes, Garissa's people are his people as Rift valley's are Ruto's. Have you ever experienced Kenyas' political rallies? From Kibaki to Haji...the motto is my people this, my people that. And to enlighten you, nepotism is Kenya's grand motto! Officially embraced by all institutions. So favoritism has the blessing of all, from Kimemia to the local councilor. It is how you achieve development in Kenya (I thought you'll be familiar with this since you're obsessed with Kenya's politics or was it only a Kismayo-induced infatuation). It's institutionalized! So it wouldn't be confined to Somalis, were they to be favored. Haji's political record is anyway not impressive even in his constituency as his constituents would attest. Odeygu wa retiree, wuu iska xoogsanayaa moyee:)

^^I was being sarcastic there. They too fat for that:). But pursuing further education is quite a hassle in the US compared to Europe.

[/Quote] Originally Posted by NGONGE View Post Why did I always think that Che was a sijui! Che -Guevara;891609 wrote: God no Is it so bad?

Haatu;891605 wrote: Tutu, yes we have bad leaders, but we are also intentionally ignored by Nairobi . This is one among the points I've stressed. That's why yesterday's rampage happened in 'our' defense minister's backyard. They're not valued at all. It's our (the leaders) fault. We're part of Kenya but don't want to play the game as other communities/leaders do. Kenya drives on 'survival of the fittest' mantra. You hold a powerful position, you take advantage of it and make sure your people are well fed. But alas, 'our' leaders will starve their kin to death while in charge of the kitchen store.

NGONGE;891563 wrote: ^^ I thought you were already a member of all those "Somali professionals" groups, Juxa! Shouldn't that be your first port of call? (SOL is not what it used to be dee; it's full of Americans and Kenyans now). Oo ma waxaad leedahay there are no Kenyans in the UK oo wax bartay ama with with LLB?. I thought UK's Somali student population consists mainly of Sijuis. Mise geographically ayaad ka hadleysa I know Americans don't go to school.

STOIC;891463 wrote: Zack, common my men...Ijara I used to know was part of Garissa district and anyone from their will never say they are from Ijara, but Garissa..Unless now you want to divide the district into Divisions/Subdivisons...He is from Garissa..He maybe went to elementary school in Ijara, but I bet you my left foot he has properties in Garissa town...He was PC back when I was IN AFrica and a highly respected individual in Moi era... Ijara has become a district of its own not too long ago. So has Dadaab and Habasweyn. But under the new (2011) devolved system that came with the new constitution, they come under Garissa and Wajir counties respectively. But would still remain a district and would be considered so in resource allocation. So Yussuf Haji, in political sense, was elected from Ijara constituency thus not from Garissa which is composed of Dujis, Lagdera and Dadaab. But as he said yesterday his parents are buried in Garissa. I had a good friend @Gateway during my heydays in Gsa.

Apophis;891515 wrote: And no, Xaaji should not resign, Kenyan Somalis would be unwise to give up such a powerful and influential position. But let us not forget what Che wishes us to dearly forget, those killing soldiers and then hiding within the community are responsible for a large part of this happenings. People in Garissa need to see them as enemy number 1 and root them out. I don't think his stay nor resignation will have any effect now. His reputation has been terribly dented. His people were maimed, pilfered and raped by juniors under his docket. Locals on the ground are very upset and frustrated. Especially, with his rejoinder when asked if he ordered the attacks. The defense docket (and other powerful positions), though influential, doesn't benefit the Somalis as they're hardly consulted when matters get out of hand but rather bypassed. Former president Moi once visited Garissa back in the 90s and a local asked why there's perennial shortage of water in Garissa. And his answer was; your own son is Kenya's minister of water. A Somali from Garissa. Grasp the paradox there. The issue in NEP is not about being allocated some fancy and popular positions but rather lack of visionary leaders. Leaders whose interest lie on the welfare of their people. NEP finds itself in a sad position mainly because of worthless crop of leaders. You made a good point there, Apophis. Citizens have a civil responsibility to contribute to the security of their regions. People of Garissa need to organize and cooperate with the relevant authorities and weed out the few that are behind the chaos. Garissa is a small town and everybody knows what his neighbor is up to. But what happened in Garissa is never pardonable and KDF should be held responsible. Never would it happen in the Kenya we know of . But rest assured the Kenyan Somalis of today are hell-bent on pursuing other civil routes within and outside Kenya.This won't go quite as Wagalla, Garissa Gubay and others did.

Wadani;890802 wrote: the Somali conflict is not as simple as u deem, and cannot be reduced to a bunch of savage clans engaged in a protracted and aimless war. It's more complicated than that, but those who deem themselves superior like urself rarely look for the complexities You've remarkably summed up Somalia's war. What is so complicated about Somalia's tribal chaos? Please enlighten me. In essence, better Kenya than Somalia. That was the gist of my exposition, if you didn't grasp. For the rest of your rant of nigger this and nigger that....let's say a nugatory dumbbell's rave! PS: Did I claim superiority? Toss your balls above belt, blockhead.

^^ Before the predictable minnows jump into the bandwagon of 'what did we say about your Kenyan brothers', I should point out the contrariness here; KDF gets its orders from a Somali who believes Garissians are hiding those behind the killings. Who to blame then? 'Turning on our Somali brothers both foolish and self-defeating'....... http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/Turning-on-Somalis-foolish-and-self-defeating/-/446672/1624412/-/view/asBlogPost/-/qio5nb/-/index.html

Haatu;890546 wrote: tutu, jaahil baad tahey. You suffer from sever inferiority complex that reminds me of the house-slave/field-slave way of thinking. If you think your 'Kenyan brothers' value the people of North East, why does the region only have ~9KM of paved road? Why is the capital of the region Garissa so under-developed compared to other cities of the same station? Why is it that there's a massive checkpoint at the bridge if you're truly Kenyan? Ninyahow garo dadkaada iney yihiin kuwa aad cayneysid iyo kuwa maanta aad u aragtid walaalahaa iney neceyb un kuu haayaa. Before you start calling me reer Somalia, know that I was born and bred in Garissa, in suuqa xoolaha opposite al faaruuq masjid. Sooner or later I knew that over-used card of 'inferiority complex' would be thrown at me. So it took you years of living in Qurbaha and interracting with Somalis of Somalia to realize you've being a slave eh? And call Kenyans subhumans? Ever heard of independent thinking? I'm sure you had a different opinion on N.E.P's position when you were in Gsa, but justifying your downtrodden view of Garissa can be deemed as a result of cognitive dissonance (partially as a way to justify your status as a Somali refugee in the West). 9km of tarmacked road? That's reflective of Kenya's state of affairs (that's if you are conversant with Kenya's goings beyond suuqa xoolaha in Gsa)...unless you wanna tell me of the huge development and modern infrastructure in Eastern, Turkana and Coast Provinces:). I acknowledge N.E.P's issues but as I've mentioned in one of my earlier posts, we've come a long way. And joining Somalia, that's most comical and sappy statement I've ever come across. Listen to yourself before you jotting down such nonsense. And if you didn't know Somalia belongs to you and me as much as it belongs to those fighting over it's barren land.

Apophis;890482 wrote: @tutu: pay no attention to the false "solidarity" displayed here. Many would here would nuke the country given half a chance. I reckon so considering their hate-filled tribal allegiance.

And what's with all the bashing of Kenya and Kenyans. Calling Kenyans Xoolo. That was funny considering Somalia's history for the last decade. I guess Somalis are genetically predisposed to be ignorant of their own failures and weaknesses, but despise or foul-mouth others who are apparently better than them. Kenya didn't kill it's citizens or rape innocent women and children for the last 20 yrs! But rather had to bear such unappreciative individuals who's causing mayhem in a country that gave you refuge (when your own kin were yearning for your blood). So who is the xoolo here? Somalida waxaad u maleysaa in ey kujiraan 'trance' waligoodba. And have no sense of reality. Wake up and look to your left and right and tell me what you see. oba hiloowlow;890381 wrote: kenyans are subhumans waa xoolo i hope Al shabaab bombs the shit out of them. Such statements tells of your nut-sized brain.

Stoic...I do the same to the police as your father. I usually give them hard time and hardly carry my identity card. I admire his courage. The pink cards, screening, as they used to call was a nasty affair orchestrated by few Kenyan-Somali individuals to expel rich and influential people from other clans.... But we’ve come a long way now save for the irrelevant hostility brought on by the alshabaab. As a neutral community, we are entrusted with the most coveted instituitions in today’s Kenya. Wadani;890362 wrote: So Tutu, it took something like this to happen for u to realize that ur no better than your brothers over the border? SMH. But i guess it's better late than never. Wadani...Of course, I still think I am better than them. I don’t kill, loot, maim, rape as they did for last two decades. And in regards to my change of view today; nothing changed on my view of Somalis from Somalia but my perspective on ‘Kenyanism’. By the way, every Somali you meet is ‘Wadani’ and you wonder why the country is in ruins if everyone is so patriotic. Another wonder of the world, you could say. Guys, this is just a passing cloud (throwing stones and wielding machetes for few days is a typical trait of Kenyans; note those involved are thugs and chokoras and do not represent the ordinary Kenyan). It happens all the time in Kenya, even amongst other Kenyan tribes, be it in Kisumu, Turkana or Garissa (between Somali tribes). But never would Kenya degenerate to Liberia's or Somalia's level as some of you are insinuating. It's much safer to invest in Nairobi than Mogadishu.

Apophis;890266 wrote: What would the "master minder" be doing at the scene? I find it hard to believe Somalis have nothing to do with this. Naivety at its best! I bet you barely know Kenya's goings. A Somali was killed at the scene today and another critically injured before being saved by the police. I wonder, as you, what the perpetrators were doing at the scene. Doesn't make sense isn't it? But this is Kenya. As the local MP said today, these are people whose sole objective is to incite people of different denominations against each other. It could be anyone. Alshabaab, Mungiki, 'Taleban' or even a government's job. Who knows. But, surely, any Somali looking who finds himself at the scene is automatically assumed guilty and undergoes mob justice. PS: I just arrived Nairobi from Garissa as the blast went off and I almost fell victim of a mob when I got off my car (in a non-somali populated area) to buy snacks. You guessed right, coz of my looks. So proud of my 'kenyanness', I can hardly, till now, believe what I've experienced today; call post-trauma. And would, henceforth, definitely abstain from ill-mouthing my Somali brethren across the border as we're all the same in the eyes of the 'Kenyans'. I was one of their worst critics but I've had a change of view today. I could've being as well the post-blast victim today. No difference.

His twin brother is doing well (apparently without mo's help as portrayed in the article) and lives in Hargeisa, but the sister lives in abject poverty as depicted in the article too. She lives in the Miyi. It's only Allah who get her out of that misery. Ilaah ha ucaafiyo wiilka insha Allah. Mo has a moral obligation to assist her but it's entirely within his discretion to help or not.

This is the source of those pictures. It's 2 day's old. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2190417/Revealed-We-twin-brother-Mo-Farah-forced-abandon-child-war-torn-Somalia-tells-harrowing-story-separated-aged-parents-agonising-decision.html

ElPunto;859100 wrote: Gaining and maintaing power at what expense - massacres, mayhem, mass displacement, suicide bombings, beheadings, fighting a US backed and funded army in your already ruined capital? What sort of organization are you and what sort of leadership do you have that makes that sort of sacrifice to 'gain and maintain power'? Can you claim moral superiority, Islamic character, justice and peace, working of the interest of the people etc.? Come on. I If they truly cared about Somalis then these men wouldn't have acted in this manner. They are nothing more than wolfs in sheeps clothing Elpunto, I don't think you're getting the argument Chimera is trying to put forth. He didn't say he supports the scrupulous ways the hypothesised Egyptian organisation may resort to after unjustified invasion (you've subtly insinuated that in your above qoute). But the gist of his arguement is if it's post-invasion ways of clinging to power renders it's past accomplishment useless. Of course the individuals that comprised ICU took different paths after its downfall.

As much I feel pride in Mo Farah's gold as a Somali, I cannot ignore british media's total negligence of his historic win. A milestone in british history since Olympics has begun. But Ennis is more british than him as they portray. He's no more than a 'Somali'. Where is our Somalilanders? Help me here!