Very unfortunate. Hope things get sorted and people are paid their dues.

^You want to go to every Arab country dee Xiin, if it's a private Somali company, fine. If not, it should be. Xamar airport is getting back on the maps of all major airlines. Now for the hotels and safety and security.

@Ngonge Many families have a holiday within a holiday by stopping in the UAE for shopping etc. If you were brave enough you would open a dirac shop or two in Istanbul

NGONGE;784500 wrote: Arsenal can beat Milan. This is worse than saying we will win the league at the start of the season and today saying we will finish fourth (as Ayoub pointed out) :D

Well done. Not sure about the route though. If it lands in UAE then goes direct to Xamar great. If not then it might be a bit of a damp squib. Who operates the airport in Xamar?

A lawyer and an accountant should know such tactics

are any trolls awake and at their desks at this time? bal warama

A crazy morning to be followed by a crazy afternoon and a crazy evening to come Bal warama.

Garnaqsi;785448 wrote: Thereby committing a textbook example of a straw man . That's exactly what I've been trying to explain to him. Heh. Scenario 1 One CHOOSES to disbelieve (in God, his rewards AND his punishments). Scenario 2 One CHOOSES to believe (in God, his rewards AND his punishments). In both the above scenarios, a CHOICE is made and therefore nothing is being forced on anyone. Now, and pay attention here, how can one be forced into anything, if he/she CHOOSES to BELIEVE in it in the first place? It doesn’t make sense. On one hand you’re saying there should be freedom of choice and on the other (when one of them exercises that freedom), you say they’re being forced into it thereby making YOUR claim contradictory and not the Ayaat. Wax fahan

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Hargaisa is cooooold

Garnaqsi, I have already explained why/how your claim doesn’t make sense/is contradictory which YOU understood and acknowledged (your explanations only reinforced my conclusion). Others in this thread have also come to the same conclusion (and understand my point(s)). Without wanting the thread to deteriorate further and claims of intellectual laziness as a result of a bruised ego becomes the topic itself, I will carry on with the rest of discussion. I can only advise you to try and at least understand the fundamentals of belief. Naxar, hear hear.

Heh. What? Like the kid who takes his ball home when things are not going his way? Is this an argument? I thought it was a discussion. Don't throw your toys out just yet. I understood what you said. However, the reasoning/logic used is flawed. You cannot claim the threat of punishment compromises the Ayat you referred to earlier. It just doesn't make sense and is contradictory (for reasons given earlier). Analogies given have thus far failed to suggest otherwise. Did you say lazy? Let me know if you wish to address why people continue to embrace Islam in large numbers as they did 1400 ago years for the same the reasons.

^Really? From what you've written, thats exactly what you're doing Saying punishment is a form of deterrent and therefore diintu waa khasab doesn't make sense (for the reasons stated earlier). I don't want to dwell on it too much.

^Heh. No need when there are good restaurants everywhere (they spend most of the day in town anyway). Isma aragno until they call me for a lift home

A good time to come dhe The problem I see is a lack of regulations and people losing their money.

Afternoon all. Tired. Visitors who don't sleep baa ii imi. Just had a chicken mendi. Time for a nap

^I’m still not getting you. You seem to be saying people are afraid to disbelieve because there is a fear of being punished. To me, you’re inadvertently saying those people still believe (because they fear punishment from God if they disbelieve). If one chooses to disbelieve, then, obviously, he/she disbelieves in that punishment. I don’t quite see where this khasab you claim sits. On your other post, you’re right in that ignorance was abundant in the time of the Prophet (PBUH). People buried their new born girls alive before Islam. Their only ‘modus ponens’ was their common sense. The Quran, which was revealed to them first hand, dealt with matters of belief, law, politics, rituals, spirituality, and economics in an entirely new way. This made sense to them. What they heard was, to them, a just way of dealing with everyday issues and situations. This resulted in a better life, established a culture of justice and mutual corporation unheard of before Islam. Today, there will be many new Muslims. Many of them reverts from other faiths and many atheists. What will there ‘modus ponens’ be?

Hmm, let's wait and see. I just hope experts were consulted and it was not drafted by the UNDP.

What could be their interest? Is the security situation in Somalia now disproportionately affecting the UK? Do they want a base there? Oil (and other natural resources)?

Sky News are reporting this as well.

^Well if you believe you will be punished for leaving the faith (due to disbelieving in God) then you still believe. i.e. If one stays in that faith out of fear of punishment then he/she still believes. Taasi khasab maaha. Mise anaa si kale wax u fahmay? Anyway, I will address your other post later on.

Garnaqsi;783701 wrote: But if you go for the latter of the two given choices, you burn in Hell for eternity, so there indeed is 'qasab'. Surely, the one who chooses to disbelieve, disbelieves (including the concept of heaven and hell). Maxa khasab'a?

^How so? If choosing the latter, it means you don't believe in heaven or hell (unless you believe in another faith). Maaddeey;782776 wrote: ^^Atheists-ka dadka Quraanka loo soo dejiyey bey ka mid yihiin!, Quraanku wuxuu ka hadlaa 'logic' fara badan, wuuna dhiirrageliyaa in 'caqli' & 'logic' la isticmaalo!. Ineysan Quraan aminsaneyn ma keeneyso inaan lagu akhrin amaba la soo hadal qaadin quraan dhan, oo Gaalada carbeed Quraanka ma aaminsaneyn weyna ku buuqi jireen markii lagu dul akhriyo saasoy tahayna lama dhihin kuwan Quraan ma aaminsanee wax kale ha loo raadiyo!. Sidaas oo kale bay ahaayeen Qawu nuux oo dhegaha ayay faraha gashan jireen markii Qawlka Alle lagu akhriyo!. Aayadaha kore ee Quraanku ma aha kuwo ka hadlaya Ghayb ama Aakhiro ee waa su'aalo caqli ah ee gaalada ku qasbaya iney mar kale fekeraan!. Raamsade, waxaan rajeynayaa in dugsi Quraan lagu geliyey, oodan gaalnimada la billaaban! The pagans/athiests of those days were prepared to contemplate on those verses (and the Sunnah of The Prophet (PBUH). Today many of them choose science and everything must be in black and white (to them).

Chimera;783562 wrote: I haven't seen a single piece of writing regarding this deal. Yeah pretty dark to me. - The duration of their leases. - The percentages. - The role of the federal government. - The role of the governments the oil-companies are registered in. - The conduct of exploration and contingency plans. I want to see this in writing, not Al-Jazeera videos or BBC articles. Assume? Where is the deal in writing? Everything now is just through hearsay from those involved, no disclosure of the agreement has been made, hence its an utter cloak of darkness. Somalia has oil, and it has alot of it, geologically and geographically speaking its tantamount to wondering whether there is ice in Antartica. Its therefore absolutely important that whatever deal is signed, benefits the Somali people, otherwise we will be duped like the Chadians, I'm pretty sure they had the same mentality as you when they entered into those agreements. You're illogical, how can Puntland set up a "Petroleum and Minerals Agency" if they have no idea of there being oil in those basins? Why invest in green-energy today when there is plenty of oil around? Why go to a damn college if your not sure you're going to graduate or be alive in four years time? What's the point of the bloody future if your illogical argument wants to force us to look only at the present? What about this: http://www.lhup.edu/rmyers3/MyRange.htm On its website Range affirms its commitment to safe water: "Because Pennsylvania has one of the largest water resources in the nation, we recognize that being good stewards of these resources is extremely important." But apparently the folks at Range define good stewardship in a slightly different manner than is customary. On May 27, 2009 a leaking waste-water pipe from a Range gas well polluted a tributary of Cross Creek Lake in Washington County. The spill killed fish, salamanders, crayfish, and aquatic insects.[1] On May 14, 2010, the DEP fined Range $141,175 for spilling 250 barrels of fracking fluid into a high-quality waterway in Washington County in October 2009. [2] Range claims on its website that their "commitment to protecting the environment" can be seen in their erosion control efforts. According to the DEP, Range was cited at least six times between 2009 and 2010 for "failure to minimize accelerated erosion" at sites in Clinton, Lycoming and Green counties.[3] The citation of September 28, 2009 noted that their failure to implement and maintain an erosion plan resulted in sediment discharge into Hoagland Run. Range also insists that they "work every day to train our employees and contractors and see that they follow and understand regulations and company standards related to safety." If that's true, it's difficult to understand why Range was cited twice in 2009 for "Failure to notify DEP of pollution incident." In the Cross Creek incident, Range employees waited nearly four hours before contacting DEP.[4] Range's website notes that "After drilling is complete, our aim is to be a good guest and leave things the way we found them - or even better." However, according to the DEP, one of Range's Greene County operations was cited on March 22, 2010 for "Failure to restore site w/in 9 months of completion of drilling or plugging." This is in America, which has an established system to deal with shady companies, and hence RR was forced to rectify its mistakes, what exactly does Puntland have in place to force them to do this? How do you know Faroole will give the slighest damn about an oil spill in Bosaso, as long as the money keeps rolling in? I do, he won't give a damn, and there will be no one in the future to hold him accountable, because some genius in the past told us "how do you know there is oil in the first place" lol. What? Somalia is going export oil by air through the careful positioning of pipelines upwards in to the sky that will shoot out the black liquid to China and beyond? Oil is exported by ships, plenty of situations where oil-spills have happened in such scenarios, off-shore drilling is not the only threat to an ocean's eco-system. Stuck in the present again, Somalia has oil and it has alot of it. Clear misrepresentation of the concrete argument you have such a hard time countering. Instead to be more factually correct you should have stated that we do not want to be exploited, nor do we want our future generations to suffer from the illogical and shady decisions of our time, hence we want transperancy and accountability. Why are you so afraid of these two terms? Hear hear. When I watched the AJE video my first thought was he was lying. Until the agreement is seen there will be many questions.