ailamos;847603 wrote: And tombs are not part of Islamic heritage? It depends on which side of the fence one sits. The spokesperson for the IOC can't change the interpretations of others. The ideology and justification of those who destroyed the tombs is explained on this wiki page as: Islam’s core tenet is the recognition and worship of one supreme God, which it shares with the other Abrahamic religions. Islam espouses the direct link between a believer and the God and rejects the intercession or the existence of a medium between the two. Although this position can be considerably more complex within the different schools and strains of Islamic theology, the conservative orthodoxy of Wahhabism adheres strictly and literally to this position and prefers to abide by a more narrow and safeguarded interpretation. The widespread demolition of gravesites, tombs, mausoleums, birthplaces, mosques or locations otherwise connected with the prophet Muhammad, his family and companions, pious individuals or important events in Islamic history after the Saudi conquest of the Hejaz was an attempt to eradicate non-orthodox practices that had become established in regional Islam during that time. The ongoing demolition of similar places until the present day may constitute the continued effort by Saudi authorities to safeguard Islamic monotheism against non-orthodox practices that are not recognized by Islam. Controversy arises because, like any theological issues, there are wide differences in opinion concerning orthodoxy, and with what constitutes acceptable Islamic practices and what does not. This is further compounded by the countless interpretations of Islamic theology that can be present in places such as Mecca and Medina, where millions of Muslim visitors from diverse regions and backgrounds of the Islamic World can congregate in the same space at any given time. What is certain is that Islam prohibits the deification of anything other than God and this includes the attributing of divine characteristics (such as all-encompassing power or the control or knowledge of human destiny) to anyone or thing other than god, including prophets and saints. Furthermore, there exist within the accredited traditions of Muhammad (Sunnah) several injunctions prohibiting the visitation of sites and more specifically the erecting of structures over graves such as mausoleums and Mosques. It is according to these specific orders from the Prophetic authority of Muhammad that Wahhabi and other orthodox Muslims devise the rulings that permit the demolition referenced above. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_early_Islamic_heritage_sites#Theological_justification What I'm asking is, are they (those that destroyed the tombs) wrong considering those tombs are being used by people to pray to God through the dead 'saints'? This spreads ignorance when people copy eachother and pass on the practice to others. Who is responsible? Who should be held accountable?

ailamos;847594 wrote: Enraged because it is a part of Islamic heritage that should be preserved and not destroyed and because I've read about Timbuktu as a child in Islamic Studies class and how it was part of the Islamic Golden Age. Huh? What Islamic heritage is being destroyed? Are any mosques being destroyed? Any of the ancient school buildings? The report says tombs are being destroyed.

ElPunto;847565 wrote: Yes - Norf - but it doesn't give them the right to destroy them still. Nor does it add to their political cause. This requires education and time to change this errant mentality. Whether its right or wrong depends on what the correct course of action is islamically.

ailamos;847558 wrote: LOL, the BBC, Al Jazeera, Al Ahram, The National ... take your pick ;-) Ok. Care to address the other part of my post?

The Telegraph *coughs* Were the shrines places where people went to ask the dead 'saints' to be their intermediary with God?

Afternoon all Whats with this weather? Changes like A&T's footy favourites

^What you and many others didn't realise was that Spain only did what they needed to do to get to the final. They didn't over excert themselves and saved the best for last. They were playing in 2nd gear all the way to the final (3rd gear in the semi). It was a good game until the 2nd goal. ps I have Kuwaiti Dinars, A&T has Somali Shillings and you, to your credit, came with Sterling

Ah, the complaints of little Muuse after walking to the shop and back on hot tarmac with no shoes on only to be told he forgot the milk! My prediction was: England to finish top of group D and avoid Spain. England to lose in the semis to Holland after beating Italy or ROI in the qtrs. France to go out in the qtrs to Spain who will beat Germany in the Semis. Holland vs Spain final. Ala Roja What happened: England won their group. France lost to Spain in the qtrs. Spain beat 2nd placed team in Group B in the semi. Germany lose in the semi and Spain won it. Unlike some of the lesser footballing minds I didn't need to change it as the tournament went on

Morning all. Kids can be so random. Over breakfast Eldest: I know how to say hello in Chinese Me: Really? How? Eldest: Neehow/Meehow Youngest: *giggles* No, thats a cat! Me: :D

Broker. Agent.

Oodweyne;845230 wrote: Apparently this sort of internet-based political states are this seasons Somali fraudulent scams. And, the reason is that like Nigeria with their "famous letters" requesting fund from you in which we always get in E-mail account. It seems that Somalis in the diaspora have perfected the art of scheming to pilfer the few pennies our old aunties get from the State's welfare agencies. Particularly By way of putting a good show in a theater near you and saying we are creating a brand spanking state back at that village of "two-people-and-a-donkey" . :D

Nice people. Nice food. Enjoy!

^Do cartwheels in the office. Then again, don't

Morning Lily. Heard something on the radio. People stranded on holiday and couldn't pay their hotel costs etc because of a crash.

Jimce wanaagsan Maaddeey. Where can I go for Salaat al Jumca? Good khutbas are few and far between in London.

Che -Guevara;843541 wrote: ^What are those reasons apart from religion of course? Religious reasons not good enough?

Somalia's President post transition will be Shiekh Sharif because the backers of the road map want it that way.

^ I think there is something going on behind the scenes. Maalin dhow baa la na deluge gareenaya

Afternoon all. Youngest daughter: Daddy, can you buy me a cat? Me: Ok. But you need to look after it. YD: I want a pink one. Me: Where have you seen pink cats? YD: Erm, erm, I don't have to say. Me: Tell me tell me YD: On TV :D

The cyber Punties have disappointed of late. I was expecting a coordinated response post Istanbul.

^Question is, xaguu u cheedaa (the kacba is on his left)?

Believe it when I see it

walaalkis;843292 wrote: The security guy way yaabanyihin.

^He has a camera man with him and he is posing

^Really? As in pay for thins with a card?