N.O.R.F

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  1. Now that is what i call amazing!
  2. I see you have time on your hands these days ya JB. 'the restraint of British newspapers derived less from sensitivity to Muslim discontent than it did from a desire not to have their windows broken'. I think that close to the truth! the values of Islam trump anyone else's - which is what any follower of Islam does assume, just as any follower of any religion believes that theirs is the sole way, truth and light. If people wish to love a 7th century preacher more than their own families, that's up to them, but nobody else is obliged to take it seriously . .. Except that if you don't take it seriously and accord it proper respect you are physically threatened, on a scale that no other religion has aspired to since the Middle Ages. The usual western 'we are superior in mind/intellect' nonsense. But why pick a fight with Islam/Muslims? Why so affraid of Islam? This is the question which needs to be explored ya JB. Maybe you can tell exactly why the west is depicting Islam/Muslims in such a negative light. What are they scared of? The middle ground on Islam and West By Roger Hardy BBC Islamic affairs analyst A new BBC poll shines light on one of the most pressing and contentious issues of our time. What drives tension and conflict between Islam and the West? Is there an inherent incompatibility between the two, making a "clash of civilisations" inevitable? There are certainly Muslims and non-Muslims who hold that view. Poll results: Common ground or conflict? Osama Bin Laden and his global jihadists see the "crusader" West as inherently aggressive, waging a remorseless campaign to subjugate and humiliate Muslims. Samuel Huntington, the Harvard professor who fathered the "clash of civilisations" thesis more than a decade ago, argues that cultural clashes - in particular between Islam and the West - have taken the place of the old ideological divide between communist East and capitalist West. High-profile figures - such as the former Dutch MP, the Somali-born Ayaan Hirsi Ali - claim Islam is incompatible with democracy, women's rights and modernity. Many Muslims, as well as specialists on Islam, reject the sweeping generalisations on which such opinions rest. Last year, Ayaan Hirsi Ali's views were directly challenged by a prestigious think-tank in The Hague. In a report submitted to the Dutch government, the Scientific Council for Government Policy said it was wrong to say Islam was at odds with democracy and human rights. Analysing trends in a dozen Muslim countries, the report highlighted the diversity of Muslim thought. While there were radical, jihadi trends, there were also mainstream movements moving, albeit gradually, towards democratisation. Testing opinion So what do ordinary people, Muslim and non-Muslim, think? A new BBC poll taken by Globescan suggests there is a significant middle ground which rejects the view that Islam and the West are doomed to clash. The pollsters questioned some 28,000 people in 27 countries. An overall majority believes there is no inherent incompatibility between Islam and the West, and so no inevitable collision. Problems arise from intolerant minorities - on both sides - rather than from cultures as a whole. Muslims will welcome the finding that tensions are the result of conflicts over political power and interests, rather than differences of religion or culture. They often argue that Muslim radicalism is the product of global inequalities of wealth and power - and Western foreign policy in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel/Palestine and elsewhere. The large Muslim minorities now living in the West also argue they are the victims of social disadvantage and "Islamophobic" prejudice. Bucking the trend Polls, however, need careful reading. The BBC poll suggests significant numbers of people do not share the broadly optimistic view of the majority. Nigerians are pessimistic about cultural and religious difference. Kenyans and Poles are ambivalent. A slight majority of Indonesians think violent conflict between Islam and the West is inevitable. While 49% of Americans believe there are political reasons for tensions between Islam and the West, 38% believe they result from differences of religion and culture. So the picture is mixed, and perhaps this is not surprising. Polarisation The current global climate is one of polarisation. Many Muslims are angry about Iraq and Palestine and what they perceive as a Western drive for hegemony. Since 9/11, the West has been nervous about the al-Qaeda threat. The Madrid and London bombings kept that threat alive. The sense of polarisation has been sharpened by recent controversies - over Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, over the Pope's remarks about Islam, over whether face-veils hinder integration. All these things have set relations between Islam and the West on edge. Many Muslims, and some non-Muslims, blame the media for fanning the flames. In a wired-up world, local disputes can quickly become global ones. Most people, when asked, are likely to favour co-existence and tolerance. But at moments of crisis, they do not always practise them. VIEWS OF RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MUSLIM AND WESTERN CULTURES Can find common ground Violent conflict inevitable France 69% 23% Germany 49% 39% Great Britain 77% 15% India 35% 24% Indonesia 40% 51% Italy 78% 14% Kenya 46% 35% Lebanon 68% 26% Nigeria 53% 37% Turkey 49% 29% US 64% 31% http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/6369251.stm
  3. The ugly: Your arrested at the airport for wearing a beard.
  4. JB, how many times did you vote in the last election? Washing the ink/paint off your hands with gasoline to vote again and again?
  5. ^^SB, no saxib. They simply respect women. If your in an ATM line or at the grocery store. You allow the sisters through.
  6. ^^I hope he doesnt. I remember in an interview they asked him what the yearly SL budget was. His response? He turned to someone else and asked "waar waa intee?" Another example On one of his recent visits to the UK he was asked why he and the SL delegation were invited. His response? He said "dee waa la-inoo yeedhey" LoL
  7. ^^Dont forget that mysterious box that appeared out of thin air giving him an 80 vote win in the last election. Alot of people dis Mr Silanyo but he opted for peace by reluctantly accepting a defeat. I wonder how many people would do that in todays environment?
  8. ^^I have no idea saxib. I dont even know who he is! Not up to date with the beautiful game lately
  9. ^^Lyon vs Roma is a quality game mate! LFC vs Barca! What a mouthwatering tie. I'm hoping for a low score if no score at all. Then you all know what Anfield can do to teams. Init Soma?
  10. Your right its very much needed. Do we have any budding young 'concious' programme producers on SOL? Mr Omaar Raageh may have done something if not he should.
  11. ^^Maybe not but it still needs explaining no?
  12. How so? Your going to have explain this one to me saxib.
  13. ^LoL Sorry saxib but i had to laugh there. What makes you think he is secular?
  14. ^^Al Jazeera have already done the Yemen refugee camp bit. I saw Somali women working as prostitutes and hanging with men while their kids were asleep at home. It was disgusting.
  15. I am really baffled by what forces those migrants to risk their lives. From what I understand, they leave from the Bari region where there's relative peace and prosperity. Maybe if it was explained to them that they face such a terrible risk, refugee camp in Yemen, poverty in UAE etc they would think twice. Their families are simply not aware of the risks and the authorities simply let it happen! Please refuse to help anyone make any risky journey. They can like it or lump it! You can do without the dambi.
  16. Is he praising the same man who has arrested and detained the editorial team of Hatuf for highlighting his corrupt ways?
  17. ^^I'm just messing with odeyga. I'm sure no one knew what voting Bush in was going entail.
  18. GG is not a Muslim. We need to challenge Ayaan Hirsi with knowledge not political bravado. I can think of a few well spoken shiekhs who can put her nonesense to rest. But who will take them onto a show? Who is Tim Hardaway? The NBA player?
  19. N.O.R.F

    Tuug ma aragtey

    LoL@the hat and beard
  20. ^^No saxib. There just isnt a challenger from our side of the argument. Actually there are plenty but who is going to put them on a show(s) or even promote their opinion? We sit and complain but do not try to challenge her view through the same means - the media. Yes the media is not owned by Muslims but some of these big organisations have Arabic/Muslim shareholders - Fox News - 20% (i think) belongs to Prince Waleed of the KSA. Why is he not influencing things?
  21. ^^Forget that saxib. Did you vote for Bush? "colored people" I think you did!
  22. Slightly off topic. My Irish friend (a revert just like our brother MC Xamar) went to Hajj last year. He had his phone stolen from his hotel room while he was out performing Hajj. He was very upset and couldn’t quite believe someone would even think of doing that. As for the case of the Nigerian ‘magician’ do you think he really believed in his powers or was he just ripping people off?
  23. N.O.R.F

    Have you ever?

    ^^maxa dacey odeyga? Interpretations interpretations,,,,,,,,