Originally posted by Emperor: ^Norf sxb is there a way of being right and at the very same time being wrong, can you and only you be right and others wrong, is there any posibility that they could all be wrong and no one group is right. You may be wondering where Im heading with this but I hope you decode my message. Emp, the issue here is whether one should condemn the happenings outright without any strings attached. Without shouting 'he started it first' or 'waxay yihin dowladiid so the heck with them' etc etc. I put a simple question to the guy and he went off into the forest without a flashlight.

^^who sold river water to who?

^^You seem to be writing in riddles. Again, for the sake of clarity, I will highlight your stance (if you can call it that). a) You don’t care for those who are caught up in the shelling b) You have nothing to support any of your claims against whom you are fighting c) You call those who oppose you hypocrites because they abhor the fact that their brothers and sisters are being killed by gaalo brought by those who are supposed to protect them. Is it me or are you simply lost and in above your head here? Get the yellow pages and phone book to stand on please!

Captain, In essense your saying they get what they deserve (allegations you are yet to prove and easily refuted) yet somehow believe its Islamically justified. Or you just dont give a damn. Which is it?

^^Are you saying that being opposed to the bombardment of civilians is NOT a Muslim's 'duty'? It is your DUTY to be opposed to it without ANY strings attached and regardless of who is at fault, what could have been done to avoid it etc etc. Can you do that?

Baashi, rageedi! Some valuable points and recommendations,,,

Maybe they were just Pirates ey?

This is what America wanted. It doesn�t serve American interest to see countries trying to stand on their feet. The Islamic courts brought peace and stability to a country after years of war. Good old Uncle Sam just came and blew it all away. Why this concern now? Is it because the west is afraid of the Somali refugees who might try to make their way here? USA keeps killing, bombing, and slaughtering other people. I wonder why they hate the American way. Even non-Somalis recognise what is blatantly obvious :rolleyes:

Originally posted by peacenow: Are you the famous 'halgeel84' by the way, Northerner? No saxib, this is the first i have come across this chap.

Halgeel These neocon PR talking heads, it seems, do not speak a word of Somali! That means they cannot read Somali newspapers, listen to Somali radio, watch Somali TV, or read online sources in Somali in order to gain credible understanding of the actual situation on the grounds in Somalia. But then again how many neocons spoke Arabic when the US invaded Iraq? Here they are again in full force: empty headed, automatic taking machines spouting neocon nonsense of generic talking points: Islamo-fascism, etc!. How pathetic. Dhuuso iyo faan baddanoow, maxaad Somalia ka taqaanaa? Soomali weliiga ma tagteen? Maxaad ka taqaan xalada gudah ee Somalia? Af Soomali ma taqaaniin? Bal iiga warama halka xaalada Iraaq marayso? Fulay ayaa faana; geesi ma faano!

Peacenow, good on you. Glad someone has decided to write about the horrible goings on in Somalia.

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: quote:Originally posted by Northerner: JB, are those xabashis still there cleaning cars? loooooooooooool ......... dadkan yaa u sheega xabashidan ay ka qaylinayaan annaga kabaha ayay noo baalasheeyane They were cleaning our car in Hargaisa and stole something from the car (the sharaxaado on the car) so we took him in the car and told him we will take him to Burco. The guy started crying 'please dont take me to Burco' . We got our things back within 5 mins.

Good win last night for the MIGHTY MIGHTY REDS. Roma vs Man Utd will be my game to watch tonight. I'm with Roma! Chelsea vs Valencia will be a tough game for both teams. I say an away goal will win this one.

CT Your giving sisters an idea of husbands who can cook

Gents Please respect eachother. This is not Wenger vs Morinho.

JB, are those xabashis still there cleaning cars?

^^your clutching straws again. The question here is, in case it has escaped you, is what the TFG/Ethiopia/US doing correct? I think not and you think yes. Fact of the matter is my objection (and the objections of most Somalis including people from your tribe) is based on the principles of Islam/Somalinimo. Your indifference is based on tribalism. You simply connot escape these facts ya Predictable 'i'. go on, throw another comment in about seccession. 'you know but you acting like you dont knooooow'

^^Did the president 'do a runner'? Yes or No? 'The seccessionist' is saying this and that is rather predictable dont you think? Predictable is your first name i see, i wonder what the i means?

^^Pi, in simple terms (wait for it), when someone does a good deed one can comend him for it. When he does a bad deed, one can condemn him for it. Hard to believe i know.

^^lol The 'president' did a runner lol

Well done reer Charlotte!

^^Is Somalia going to be a 'soveriegn' state? Wake up and smell the coffee or is the sugar two sweet? TP, point taken laakin i will continue to ridicule these boys and their obvious leanings.

I want to hear what awoow Baashi has to say about this weeks events. Sophist has been a little quiet aswell. There is usually some substance and rationale in their writing hence why i want to hear their views.

Actions of Ethiopia and the TFG warrant war crimes and crimes against humanity Abdirizak Omar Mohamed Monday, April 02, 2007 In late March we have witnessed an unprecedented loss of lives, destruction of properties and hundred of thousands of displaced people, the Mogadishu hospitals are full to their capacity and are not equipped to treat with some of the most critical injuries due to lack of medication. It is unfortunate that the international community has failed to react to this genocide in Mogadishu. This could not have happened without the blind support the Ethiopians got from the USA and the TFG. Let us now analyze whether the actions of Ethiopia and the TFG leadership constitute war crimes and whether their actions justify processing war crimes in the international court of law in Hague against members of the TFG. Moreover, within this context there are also individual countries that allow citizen to file war crimes against individuals who were members of a government or institutions that committed atrocities against ethnic groups, and Canada has the War crimes act in 2000. For example the Canadian war crimes Act is intended to deal with the three crimes of Genocide, Crimes against Humanity and War crimes with an emphasis on the law which has developed around the concepts of crimes against humanity and complicity. In this context the Toronto Star’s Thomas Walkom wrote in a 2004 editorial that Canada should indict Bush for crimes against humanity because Canada's war crimes law specifically permits prosecution not only of those who carry out such crimes but of the military and political superiors who allow them to happen. This law clearly allows us to indict individual Somali Canadian MPs who have participated in the commission of these atrocities or were complicit about it. The rules of engagement clearly state that civilian lives be spared. The International law uses the Term “Wanton destruction” meaning an attacker must, under the laws of war, distinguish between military targets and civilians and their property. Should he not do so, he is guilty of the war crime of indiscriminate attack. If that attack results in "extensive, willful and unnecessary damage", he is then guilty of wanton destruction. This is consistent with both the actions and statements made by the president of the TFG Abdullahi Yusuf, the PM Mr. Gedi and Deputy of the Defense Mr.salad Jeele et al in the TFG. Here it should be noted that there was a “Willful” intent on the statements made by the president, prime Minister and the depute minister of defense to pillage the Mogadishu city. Even if one examines the 1907 and the 1949 Geneva conventions they both state that pillage of cities constitute war crimes, it explicitly states that “The pillage of a town or place, even when taken by assault is prohibited.". The fact that the Ethiopians and TFG have taken over and destroyed the Hayat hospital, the Bakarah market and many properties justify that pillaging has indeed taken place and it should be dealt accordingly and perpetrators indicted for war crimes. What about if these individuals were to argue in their defense that the conflict in Somalia was a civil war and they should not be held accountable, well, the International Court of Justice holds that a foreign state is responsible for the conduct of a faction in a civil war if that faction is a de facto agent of the said state and this should implicate Ethiopia and the TFG. Similarly, there are other surprising precedents such as the case in Rwanda civil war, where the civil war argument was thrown out in sentencing those who participated in the Rwanda genocide. All in all, it is important that all evidences are archived; these include statements, documents and circumstantial evidence for processing the indictments and filing them in the international war crimes tribunal in Hague as well as in the courts in individual countries for potential prosecution of individuals who participated in the genocide in Mogadishu, Somalia. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Abdirizak Omar Mohamed Toronto, Canada Email abdi1260@yahoo.com For Hiiraanonline

CIIDAMO ITOOBIYAAN AH OO FARIISIN KA SAMEYSANAYO DULEEDKA MAGAALADA B/WEYN Isniin, 2, Apri. 2007 (HOL) Waxaa Markii ugu horeysay tan Wixii ka Danbeeyay Markii ay Ciidamda Itoobiya iyo kuwa Dowlada Federaalka oo wada socda kala wareegeen Maamulka Gobalka Hiiraan Maxkamadii Islaamiga ayaa lagu arkay Duleedka Magaalada B/weyn Ciidamo Itoobiyaan ah oo aad u hubeysan kuwaasoo sida la sheegay Fariisin ka dhiganaya Deegaanka Jante-Kuweendisho. Qaar ka mid ah Mas'uuliyiinta Maamulka Gobalka oo wada hadal kula yeeshay Deegaanka Jante-guudisho, Saraakiisha Ciidamada Itoobiya ayaan la ogeyn dhab ahaan wax yaabaha ay ka wada hadleen maadaama aan Saxaafada loo ogoleyn in lagala hadlo warka ku saabsan soo dagi taanka Ciidamada Itoobiyaanka. lakiin warar hoose oo soo baxaya ayaa sheegaya in labada dhinaca ay ka wada hadleen arimo u badan qaabka iyo waliba sida ciidamdu dagayaan, iyo waliba Baraha ugu haboon ee Fariiisinka u Noqon karta marka laga soo tago halka uu kulanku ka dhacay oo ah Jante-guudisho, waxaana warku intaa ku darayaa in loo maleynayo in ciidamadaasi fariisin Rasimi ah ka dhigan doonaan Xarunta Dhaqan-calinta ee Iftiin oo horay u ahaan jirtay Xarun ay daganaayeen ciidamadii Maxkamadii Islaamiga, Gudoomiyaha degmada B/weyn iyo Ku-xigeenkiisa Axmed Gobey Cawaale iyo waliba C/raxmaan Buruko, oo ka mid ah Mas'uuliyiinta Kulanka la yeelatay Saraakiisha Itoobiya ayaan ilaa hada iyagu wax faah-faahin ah arintaa ka bixin, taasoo u muuqata in aan loo ogoleyn in saxaafadu ka hadasho wararka ku saabsan ciidamada Itoobiya. wararka Qaar ayaa Tilmamaya in arimaha ugu waa weyn ee Ciidamadan loo keenayo tahay sababo dhinaca Nabad-galyada ah, madaama Maalmihii aynu soo dhaafnay ay jireen Qaraxyo is xig xigay oo lagu qaaday Saldhiga Boolika iyo waliba Guriga uu degan yahay Ku-xigeenka Gudoomiyaha Maamulka Gobalka, halka wararka qaarna ay talmaamyaan in ciidamadu ay halkaa kala socon doonaan dhaq-dhaqaaq Hub sida la sheegay Magaalada Muqdisho ugu gudba Gobalada dhaxe. dadka ku dhaqan Magaalada B/weyn ayaa muujinaya walaac la xiriira Ciidamadan la sheegay in la soo dajinayo duleedka magaalada B/weyn, gaar ahaan waxaa ay dadku cabsi weyn ka muujinayaan weeraro ay ku qaadaan kooxo ka soo horjeeda, taasoo ay keenta iska hor imaad wax yeelo geysta. C/raxmaan Diini, Hiiraan Online E-mail: diini@hiiraan.com