^^dont think thats a mosque any more

^^But he escaped from you on boat! NG is googling Tony Montana

^^I know about the Incas (or was that Chile?)saxib, but i have a feeling there is something more sinister in NG's mind. Tony Montana springs to mind

What is in Peru i wonder?

Phone Call Burco: Haaaaalo Me: Hello, waayo? Burco: Waar wa inadeerka Ismail hebel hebel Me: Ha, waar iiwaran Burco: Waar telefonko waa go'ayaaye, laacag ayaa lagaa baahanyayhey Me: Maxaa dacay? Burco: Ki shoodahey ayaa shaleyto odey gaari jiirsiyey oo lugta ka jabiyey Me: Subxanallah, ka yar maxaa ka-si'a? Burco: Waar bal waxaad hayso soodir ka yar anaa la hadli'e Me: Intee baa la-idin ka rabaa? Burco: Waar waxaad haysiduun so *** inadeer Me: Waayahey Damned qabil!

QL, welcome back.

I prefer to give him the benefit of doubt. He may be the man to kick those Arabs and Africans into some sort of integration and change the work culture/laws to allow them to get those jobs. Time will tell

^^amiin

^^I'm sure the North Stars guys give you a hard time. Got their email last week. Cerigaabo hospital this year i think. Edit I think you would make a fine ambassador. I would love to hear the interviews

All Somali problems stem from Somaliland regardless of Somalinimo not being present pre-civil war Thats the view of some people who are opposed to SL. They use Somalinimo to call you back into the union but didnt use Somalinimo when it was needed back in the late 80s! They just sat and watched,,,,, Edit ps lets just say i know Ngonge in real life and the fence sitting thing is not him in real life. You should him on May 18th every year decked out in green, white and red

Without reading most of the thread (which looks like another blame it all on Somaliland thread), let me generalise my notion of Somalinimo and its failures. Granted Somalinimo/unity/togetherness has been a noble and much desired goal by Somalis for a long time. The most recent pursuers of Somalinimo being non other than the people of Somaliland who were the driving force behind the formation of the union (how easily some forget). From the highs of those early days to the lows of foreign occupation, massacres and humanitarian crisis in the space of 47 years is very sad by anyone’s standards. Somalinimo had been brushed under the carpet for some time. Not many really cared for it nor understood it as it became apparent that it was hijacked by qabil. So much so that many remained loyal to the clan and the lines of communication with other clans became blurry if there was any contact at all. By the 1980s Somalinimo was already dead. Those who had grand dreams in the 1950s and early 60s were being ignored and their thoughts restricted. Anyone who spoke out was ‘dealt with’. Intellects were arrested. The economy was moved to one particular region/area. Those who moved abroad and worked were arrested on their return (like my uncle Allah Yarxamu). But who cared right? We were Somalis living in Somalia when it was one of the most powerful African nations who nearly destroyed Ethiopia. Somalinimo was not important at that time. Whatever the government did was for the security of the country. WHERE WAS SOMALINIMO THEN? The product of this was the SNM. Like them or not, this was the movement responsible for waking people up to smell the coffee. No more they said and the rest is history. This coupled with what followed in the south was as a result of neglecting what those old men you see around today dreamt of. Neglect by all (not blaming anyone specifically here). Today we have a fractured former union with the South, Puntland and Somaliland. Recently, there has been a massacre in one part, the refusal for people from a certain clan to set foot in another part and the acceptance of those refused in the third part. There is and has been in-fighting between sub-clans of the same clan in one, in-fighting between the sub-clans of the same clan in two of those areas and no in-fighting between sub-clans of the same majority clan in the third part. The recent fighting in Dhahar should never have occurred. They are all responsible for handing over sheikhs to Ethiopia/US. An uncle of mine was recently killed (Allah Yarxamu) in one part recently for simply being in the wrong region. While many nomads have passed through Hargaisa without any problems regardless of their clan. His killers are yet to be arrested. Another was killed trying to defend against invaders (Allah yarxamu). My cousin (a Puntlander) refused to fight on the side of the TFG (rageedi). The latter are prime examples of what I would term as ‘Somalinimo’. The former I would describe as one region having more Somalinimo than what people give them credit for regardless of their wanted separation. Never the less, pointing the finger at Somaliland will continue I’m sure. All Somali problems stem from Somaliland regardless of Somalinimo not being present pre-civil war. No questions will be answered. If you wish to counter any of my points you will need to 'write'.

^^Question is is not weather its required or not as its obviously the choice of the woman. Removing and burning them with the justification its an alien culture is what doesnt stick. The 'admin' are proving more calamitous than predicted.

Originally posted by Castro: quote:Originally posted by chubacka: An in a school u cnt take other holidays other dan the ones dey give u... Neway I quickly saw my mum at lunch, sed quick goodbye, she prob on da plane now. What school do you attend where they teach this peculiar style of writing? Its the text twang ya Castro.

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: for the sake of safety and security, I think we can put aside the requirements of an alien culture such as woman wearing niqaabs. niqaabs have nothing to do with islam, its khaliji fashion. and fashion can be sacrificed for SECURITY! please stop being seeflaboods, it won't help anyone. I'm sure the wives (ra) of the Prophet (peace be upon him) wore niqaabs to make a fashion statement :rolleyes: Dakaasa laga sugaya nidaam :rolleyes:

Ngonge My two flags remain under my bed One of those flags should not be under your bed for the simple reason it has the kalima written on it. Stick it up on the sitting room wall saxib I'm sure you get plenty of stick for your fence sitting already Edit ps i'm sure there are plans to go to the 18th May events

All i really wanted to discuss was the balance between maintaining our Islamic values and at the same time adhering to the secular laws we live under. Is there scope for such discussion without the usual suspects jumping in and turning it into a pro gay frenzy?

It is in the gray zone and there is a thin line between not promoting and discriminating, in religious terms the latter almost always equals the first. and your point is? Muslims should not speak out against it in case its taken as discriminating against homos? News flash, we no care! Are you trying to curtail my 'freedom of speach' ya JB? Freedom of speach i'm sure you have used to 'discriminate' against Islam through your non-promotion of it What rights of Muslim gays (yuck) are you talking of JB? They already have their rights in the UK. The same rights as non-Muslim gays (yuckfaxsha)? Your treading on thin ice with your last comment. ps please lets not go around in circles as per usual.

Surprise surprise. JB is awake!

30 Apr 2007 MCB statement on SOR’s Commenting on the extension today of the Sexual Orientation Regulations to cover mainland Britain, the Secretary-General of the Muslim Council of Britain, Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari said: "We affirm our belief that the practice and promotion of homosexuality is forbidden according to the teachings of Islam. However the Sexual Orientation Regulations are not about religious belief but about prohibiting discrimination in the provision of goods and services on grounds of sexual orientation. The MCB stands opposed to discrimination in all its forms." [ENDS] For further information please contact the MCB: The Muslim Council of Britain, PO Box 57330, London, E1 2WJ Tel: 0845 26 26 786 Fax: 0207 247 7079 media@mcb.org.uk

Who cares about them? Their homes were bombed. Now those who bombed their homes are shouting 'we have restored peace so you can come back' :rolleyes: Somalia war fuelling refugee crisis Somalia now has the worst refugee crisis in the world, the UN says, with nearly half a million refugees who have fled Mogadishu lacking food, medicine and shelter. The refugees fleeing fighting between pro-government forces and Union of Islamic Courts fighters have ended up in the country's impoverished border regions. The UN estimates 400,000 people have fled Mogadishu since February, making Somalia's refugee crisis the world's worst. After weeks of fighting, the interim government backed by Ethiopian forces launched a huge operation against Islamic Courts fighters in March, killing more than 1,000 people. The UN accused both sides in the conflict of breaking humanitarian law by indiscriminately firing on civilian areas. Up to 18,000 refugees from Mogadishu have ended up in a district called Bulla Hawa on the Somali-Kenyan border. Most of them hope to cross into the already overflowing refugee camps in Kenya, but even that murky oasis is out of reach as the border has been closed. Mohammed Adow, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Bulla Hawa, said the refuges lived in desperate conditions in the lawless town. Nimo Billow, one of the refugees, said: "I decided to flee Mogadishu with my children when our neighbours' houses were hit by mortars and rockets. "It was a sudden decision and even my husband was not at home when we fled. The market where he works was hit my mortars the same day we fled. We still have no information on his whereabouts." The refugees are putting more pressure on an already impoverished community. An outbreak of cholera in the area has killed dozens and left hundreds seriously ill. The frontier town, like many parts of Somalia, remains chaotic and unsafe, with militias ruling and gun battles common. Abdullahi Yusuf, the Somali president, said last month that his pro-government forces had won the battle in Mogadishu and the fighting was over. He urged residents to return to their homes. "I urge residents in Mogadishu to return to their homes... We, the government, regret fighting in residential areas and forcing them to flee their homes," he said. But many refguees do not appear to be heeding his call. Despite the poor conditions in areas like Bulla Hawa, most will not return to Mogadishu but hope for help to reach them. "Despite all my problems here I do not intend to go back to Mogadishu anytime soon," Billow said. Source: Al Jazeera

It will be Suns year. I hope the Cavs get as far as possible. Suns vs Pistons would be a good final!

Gay rights and Muslim rights The Muslim Council of Britain's support for the new Equality Act has brought some negative reactions. been a week now since the new sexual orientation regulations came into effect in mainland UK as part of the Equality Act 2006. The Equality Act brought the goal of a fairer society closer by proscribing - for the first time - discrimination in the provision of goods and services on the grounds of religious belief or sexuality. Brian Whitaker noted on Cif last week that the Muslim Council of Britain has "formally declared its support for the new Equality Act", but what has been the response of other UK Muslims? It is still early days, but I wanted to share with you a couple of responses I have received from two British Muslims who were clearly unhappy. The first is from Dr Abdul Majid Katme who sent his complaint to a number of figures in the UK Muslim community, including me: MCB has given in to the homosexual lobby ... A Muslim printer will be taken to court now if he refuses to print a leaflet on homosexuality ... A Muslim owner of a hotel/bed and breakfast will be taken to court now if he refuses to offer a room to two homosexuals to sleep the night together. The second response is from a British convert to Islam, Daoud Rosser-Owen, who had also received Dr Katme's email: I agree with everything that you wrote in protest at the caving in of the MCB to the homosexualists' lobby, and I feel that the Christian organisations will certainly feel let down. Now, let's just take a look again at the quality of the arguments that have been presented above in opposition to the regulations. The arguments are in fact quite similar to those made by a senior figure from the Lawyers' Christian Fellowship in a letter to the Times a few days ago who called for an exemption to be included in the regulations: The exemption sought by Christians is simply to prevent them being forced to act against their conscience by having to actively facilitate or promote the practice of homosexuality. Such an exemption need not unduly affect the rights of homosexuals. An example would be a Christian who owned a small printing business. If a restaurant owner, who was a homosexual, wanted him to print some menus, he would not wish or be able to refuse on the ground of the restaurant owner's homosexuality. However, if he were asked to print leaflets which promoted the practice of homosexuality he would be able to refuse. The printer is not forced to act against his conscience and beliefs; the client remains free to go to any other printer who does not hold such beliefs. You only need to give this scenario a moment's thought to recognise the quite bizarre situations that could ensue if we happened to follow that line of thought. For example, let's go back to our two emailers. How would they respond if, say, a Christian printer used the sought-after exemption to refuse to print a pamphlet about Islam because he did not share the beliefs expressed in it? Or if a Christian hotel owner turned a Muslim couple away because the sight of a lady wearing the hijab was offensive to him? In order to be consistent they would have to accept the right of Christians to discriminate in the services they claim to offer to the public. The Equality Act enables Muslims to challenge these actions on grounds of religious discrimination. Why should gay people be denied similar protection in law? The act does not in any way compel believers to change their views about the practice of homosexuality as being against the teachings of their religion. As the MCB noted in its statement: We affirm our belief that the practice and promotion of homosexuality is forbidden according to the teachings of Islam. However, the Equality Act rightly insists that if someone wants to provide goods and services to the public, then they should do so without discrimination on grounds of ethnic background, faith or sexual orientation. CiF Going to be an interesting few years for defense lawyers

^^Saxib, they (i support Ethios Inc) will not acknowledge the grand scheme of things. Its adeero in the hot seat and time to try and get a position/job etc. Gotta stay loyal naamean?

Michael Essien is the best Chelsea player handsdown! What a player, very under-rated while Lamps is way over-rated. Winger, congrats on winning the title.

I mean do the young ethnic kids really have it bad or is it just a case of most of them following the crowd?