Originally posted by me: Norf the article only shows how out of touch you are. The casiir got to you. You don't show any sympathy for the Somali people affected by the illegal actions of foreign nations stealing fish from Somali waters and repaying us and future genarations of Somalis with toxic waste that will cause damage to health and environment. And you are still here defending the unlawfull attacking of a Somali ship by the Indian navy, which possibly cost the lives of the crew members. Sxb just because the media says so it doesn't mean it is right. Wake up and smell the coffee, otherwise the next time you want to take a swim on a beach in Somalia you might come out of the water without skin ( carab baad u eekaan.....could this be meesha aad u socotid? ). I know perfectly well ( the media told me ) that some of the hijackings of ships was in international waters and it was illegal too. But if this means that these attacks will focus attention on Somalia and the enviromental problems caused then it is well worth it. Why am I not surprised you've chosen to repeat yourself rather than address my points? Looks like I have to clarify things for you as usual. 1. The article deals with something we have already discussed. You are yet to tell us why you think it is OK to hijack ships and request for a ransom considering these ships are a) hijacked in international waters and b) are cargo ships. Please have a go at this and stop repeating this now tired line of 'we are the victims'. 2. I have no sympathy for those effected by illigal dumping in Somali waters? How have you come to that? Because I refuse to support and cheer for criminal gangs let loose on the high seas? Again, you're refusing to address my previous points by trying to derail the discussion. Focus and stand your ground or concede saxib. 3. What was unlawfull about the Indian navy's attack? Because it was against Somalis (pirates)on speedboats armed with weapons near the Yemeni coast? What legal framework are ou refering to anyway? 4. Your last point only confirms what is wrong with your line of thought. You think two wrongs make a right! All this talk about these pirates focusing the world's attention on Somalia is of course correct but it (world's attention) won't last for long. No one cares enough about Somalia and the quicker we Somalis realise that the better. Things will go back to normal next week just like after the Ukaranian ship was hijacked. ps being out of touch is thinking these pirates are doing good for Somalis

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^Hear hear Mr Me, how does that article change my opinion that these men are pirates and not fishermen? You're sounding like a broken record. Hayat, I have no idea how you view this situation. Do tell.

Sheh is not very good at get togethers is she?

Originally posted by Ibtisam: NGonge Even IF I don't train, I can still finish it before you I think she could well be right Ngonge

Urban, didn't receive it saxib. Ibti, it looks like its too late dear. You might bump into Ng when training. Ng, I have her finishing in it 5 hrs saxib

Urban, didn't receive it saxib. Ibti, it looks like its too late dear. You might bump into Ng when training. Ng, I have her finishing in 5 hrs saxib

Originally posted by Ibtisam: Lily, I am trying for Flora London Marathon in April I'A. Do you want to join me Anyone who does a marathon gacantaan u taagay. Its tough.

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Ngonge, The Brits arrested some pirates? When? The actions of the Indians are understandable and they may have over zelous on their part but again I believe they are fullt entitled to stop them. After recent goings on this is only a natural 'follow on' (for want of a better expression). Me, What are you on about saxib? 1. Are you denying that illegal fishing has been taking place in Somali waters since the fall of the military regime? No. But criminals are criminals however and whatever their gripe! Do Somali fishermen have the right to protect their livelihoods against these criminal gangs that are active in Somali waters? Not through criminal activities. Again, most of the Hijacking take place in Int waters. 3. Are you denying there has been illegal dumping of toxic waste in Somali waters? No I'm not. But what does that have to do with hijacking ships? Does it justify them? Are you justying their actions? Do Somali fishermen have the right to protect their livelihoods against these criminal gangs that are active in Somali waters? Is the Saudi ship part of a criminal gang? Are the other vessels hijcaked part of criminal gangs? Silly question. If you say that the fishermen have the right to engage the criminals that are operating in Somali waters, then which course of action do you suggest to be taken? See above reply. Should the Somali fishermen write to Greenpeace? Or should they discourage illegal fishing and toxic dumping in our waters? Best thing you've said all day. After you have answered that, let move to the attack by the Indian ship. You said: From the article they fired on the Indian warship FIRST. Again, the Indian warship is entitled to stop them and ask questions if they suspect they are pirates. 'Fishermen' don't travel more than 200 nautical miles to catch fish. They're not armed with RPGs and AKs. Well who are we to judge the fishing methods of Somali fishermen? Some fishermen use trawlers, Somali fishermen obviously use other methods. Being armed in international waters is not illegal, otherwise the Indians shouldn’t be armed either. The Indian ship is part of the Indian Navy. Just like all Navy ships it has weaponary. They are part of international efforts to counter piracy in the Indian Ocean and Red Sea. They have a mandate. That mandate will allow for the stopping, questioning and if necessary 'engagement' of any suspicious ship/boat. Fishermen travel more then 200 nautical miles to catch fish, otherwise how do you explain Taiwanese fishing trawlers of the coast of Somalia? Have any of these been caught? No? So far its been cargo ships who have been hijacdked. Nothing to do with what you have stated. They were obviously armed!!! It seems they were not armed enough otherwise this incident wouldn’t take place. Erm yeah. Typical Somali baad tahay. Blame the whole world and refuse to look inwards. Worst thing is trying to justify their actions by misleading others! Fishermen protecting their shores kulaha!

I gave up on England for a while but I think I know who I will be supporting in South Africa haduu Ilaahay nafta ii daayo. Capello has been Fab!

1. Ships from many countries have been doing illegal activities in Somali waters. Irrelevant 2. Somali fishermen decided in the absence of a central state in Somalia that they should protect their livelihood and their environment against criminal gangs operating of the Somali waters who engage in illegal fishing and the dumping of toxic waste. Really? Since when? This is a classic case of 'wax isku sheekeeya' to justify these criminal acts. 3. These fishermen formed cooperative groups that patrol the Somali sees. When? Where? To me they are Pirates! 4. When these Somali fishermen encounter ships that have entered Somali waters illegally they stop them, tow the ship and detain the crew pending further investigation and if necessary the owners of the ships are fined. You're conveniently forgetting most of the hijacking were in fact done in International waters. Again, they are Pirates 5. The crews are treated humanely and the ships are returned including cargo. I'm sure being kidnapped and held at gun point pending your company's payment of a 'fine' can be classified at humane. Now let’s look at what happened during the encounter between the Somali fishermen and the Indian Navy ship. From what we can gather from the news. A Somali fisher’s boat in international waters was sunk by an Indian Navy ship. Now take a moment and think, A) Was this boat doing any illegal activities other then to be a Somali boat in international waters? From the article they fired on the Indian warship FIRST. Again, the Indian warship is entitled to stop them and ask questions if they suspect they are pirates. 'Fishermen' don't travel more than 200 nautical miles to catch fish. They're not armed with RPGs and AKs. B) Did this boat pose any threat to the Indian Navy ship? They were obviously armed!!! You and others need to stop making excuses for these guys and see things for what they are. They are criminals!

I don't believe the list. Searched my old post code and found about 100 names within 2 miles!

BG, with a captain like this Arsenal are finished!

Ngonge, It has as part of the international anti-piracy efforts. A ship with arms should be a navy. Questions will be asked and rightly so just like those with guns on the streets should be. Me, the indians were in international waters from what I gather.

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ Only when trying to hijack the ships though, not when they refuse to tell their business to some Indian ship miles away from its home. Kala saar saaxib. Indeed. But then again what are 'fishermen' doing in Int waters on speedboats armed to the teeth??

So why should the pirates adhere to maritime rules of engagement? Not sure what you're getting into here but I personally think armed criminals attempting to hijack ships should be shot at.

^How is that being out of touch? Firm action is required and any armed thugs should get their just deserts. Should have been done a long time ago. US, EU and Nato members adhere to maritime 'rules of engagement'. Indian don't.

Oodweyne [salaan sare], I could not have put it better myself I predict the response being something along the lines of 'yeah but you're a seccessionist' erm erm yeah but no but yeah

I knew a bunch of NFs in my sat afternoon footy going days. da b.b.c

I completely reject the exchanges between the old man and his son as being anything resemling that befitting of Burcaawis. I'll edit to suit. Hadowto,,,,

Originally posted by nuune: Hilarious indeed Waiting for what Norf would say about this How many reer Burco have you heard say 'reerku see yahay?' saxib?

^Reminds me of being told not to pray taxiyatul masjid just before Maqrib. Some masjids turn on a light telling people not to pray at certain times.

NoT for a girly blue one no

Allah yarxamu