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Baashi   

Mintid Farayar;983570 wrote:
Speaking of parallel universes, it was because of desertification(according to our friends above) that Somali charcoal was banned by the Security Council, as well as the U.S. government.

 

Here's an excerpt from Reuters:

'The Security Council banned the export of charcoal from Somalia in February 2012 to cut off one of the main sources of income for al Shabaab, which has been fighting for control of Somalia for years and enforces a strict version of sharia law in the areas it occupies.'

 

Meanwhile, the U.S. government piled on with this:

'President Barack Obama has targeted the export of charcoal from war-torn Somalia, the sales of which help finance an al Qaeda-affiliated group, the State Department said Friday.'

 

But good old Baashe would have us believe it's because of
environmental concern
that the world has become so concerned with Somalia's charcoal industry.

 

I wonder who's spinning, or maybe
smoking what
;)

 

 

P.S. It's interesting to see some still nursing the 'wounds' from the forgotten (till now) charcoal debate.
Stiffen that spine, gentlemen
, .....
Tomorrow is a brand new day
;)

^ :)

 

Charcoal might not banned due to decertification but it has nothing to do with the emergence of JL. You are not out of the woods yet bud :) That said, I relied on recollection there.

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Baashi;983571 wrote:
^
:)

 

Charcoal might not banned due to decertification but it has nothing to do with the emergence of JL. You are not out of the woods yet bud
:)
That said, I relied on recollection there.

LOL...

 

Since you brought up the old 'charcoal' thread, let me rub some friendly salt in the wound ;)

 

Here's the main editorial this week from the lips of the influential Bloomberg Financial News Service.

After reading it, return to our old 'charcoal' thread and see if it now makes sense to you.

 

Aaaah, if I could only get paid for this free education I provide to certain corners......

 

 

 

______________________________________________________________________

To Fight al-Shabaab, Clean Up Somalia

By the Editors Oct 28, 2013 2:00 AM GMT+0400

 

In the wake of the barbarous attack on Kenya’s Westgate shopping mall last month, United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon wants decisive action against the group responsible for at least 67 deaths, the Somalia-based al-Shabaab.

He proposes adding 4,000 African Union troops to the 18,000 already in Somalia and providing the forces with attack helicopters and other advanced equipment so they can pursue al-Shabaab in its sanctuaries in the rural south.

The idea sounds reasonable. In addition to attacking Kenya, al-Shabaab struck Uganda in 2010, killing more than 70 people, and this year it has repeatedly assaulted Somalia’s capital, Mogadishu. The group controls parts of southern Somalia, including the port of Baraawe, from which U.S. commandos retreated under fire earlier this month, having failed to capture an al-Shabaab commander.

Before the UN expands the role of the AU troops, however, it should first work to clean up the mission. One of its components, the 4,600-strong Kenyan contingent, has been a force for ill as much as good in the effort to stabilize Somalia; its corruption is even helping to enrich al-Shabaab.

The Kenyan troops have been instrumental in ejecting al-Shabaab from its urban strongholds, notably the city of Kismayo in September 2012. The port had been key to al-Shabaab’s $25 million a year in earnings from the export of charcoal made from acacia trees. The razing of trees for this trade has turned lush areas of Somalia into deserts, which contributed to a famine in 2010 and 2011 that killed 260,000 people, according to the UN’s estimate. In 2012, the UN Security Council banned the import and export of Somali charcoal.

One might have expected the Kenyans, once in control of Kismayo, to enforce the export ban. Instead, they collaborated with the Ras Kamboni militia led by a former al-Shabaab ally to increase violations. By July 2013, Somalia’s charcoal exports had risen 140 percent.

The trade at Kismayo is divided between Kenyan business interests, Ras Kamboni and, astonishingly, al-Shabaab. People connected to the group control a third of the exports, and al-Shabaab continues to tax trucks heading to Kismayo. With the income from exports from Baraawe, the charcoal trade is earning al-Shabaab more than ever, the UN estimates.

So before pushing to expand the AU force -- which the UN supports logistically -- Ban should first require that the Kenyan contingent respect the charcoal sanctions. The U.S., which has provided training and other assistance for the Kenyans, and the European Union, which pays their allowances, should second the demand.

Ending the Kenyans’ corruption is essential to repairing the AU mission’s credibility, as well as the UN’s. Cutting off al-Shabaab’s charcoal profits would also make the group more vulnerable to Ban’s proposed assault on its remaining refuges.

 

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-27/combating-corruption-in-somalia.html

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Oodweyne   

Baashi,

 

Firstly, it’s been while since I have the pleasure (or the curse!) of reading such “eye-tiring-piffle”, my friend. :D Particularly of the kind you thought the “gallery” that is SOL, would be well entertained with it. But, then again, as I have alluded to your “cousin” Xiinfaniin, the length a man would go to spare his blushes – particularly when he is caught with his pants down in Public Square - is a sight to behold, I tell you my friend. :D

 

And by that I mean here you are using every insult in the book, when in fact all that I have done to recieve your insult was the "crime" of basically saying and simply telling you as how things of politics in the Somali peninsula stand in the present reality.

 

But, then I suppose, calling anyone who hold your flimsy feet of logic to the fire that they “heard voices”, or for that matter saying that those who says that the “folks-of-Mogadishu” do not see what on earth you are complaining about, that they are “hallucinating” (which in effect what you said of me) could only be your way of “fighting” back with innuendo and insults when a logic and intelligent articulation escapes you.

 

All in all; as I have said it previously, I do understand the “wound” you are suffering from, and how desperate you want me to “stop” poking a finger in it. But rest assure, that the notion of reflexively lashing out with a “below-the-belts-insults” when someone like me for the fun of it tells you that your "seat” in the Somali politics (just like the Sunnis in Iraq) is in the “back-of-the-bus”, doesn’t mean I will be persuaded to stop telling your “reduced station” in the “hierarchy” of the Somalia.

 

Hence, the only way you could make it easier for yourself in here, my friend, would be to basically contend my argument with logic of your own. But, insults and a street corner sort of “hollering innuendo” won’t really do the trick for you in here. :D

 

So that is that.

 

Secondly, as for the other point about Somaliland, as I have explaining to you many times, that Senegal did “promise” to give Somaliland a bilateral recognition back in 2003/04; however “fate” in the form of French government’s pressure towards the then dictator of Senegal (i.e., Mr Wadde) dissuaded them not to go ahead. And, in that context, I will put it down not my information being wrong but the sheer fight others (like Djibouti who persuaded the French government of the then Mr Chirac to stop the Senegalese government) were willing to engaged to “thwart” Somaliland’s aspiration.

 

Now, you can believe this; or as usual you can go ahead and dismiss it. But the bottom-line is that there was a deal with Senegal, but a last minute intervension which was a heavy pressure that was brought on to the shoulders of the Senegalese by the French foreign ministry, scuppered the whole thing.

 

So, that is that.

 

Thirdly, the politics of Somalia in the current reality and in-terms of the place of the “D-block” within that set up; as well as the idea of “federalism” and how that will pan out, I can only say the following:

 

It’s true that the “D-block” (or at least some section of it, namely the “folks-of-Pirate-land”) have done all within their power in the last 20 or so odd years to make sure that they call the “shot” in Somalia in general and in Mogadishu in particularly, even if it means “hiring” themselves off like so much of “pitiful stooges” to the then Mr Zenawi, so that their warlord by the name of the then Col. Yey could “rule” Somalia in general and Mogadishu in particularly atop of an Ethiopian’s tank.

 

However, just like late Gen. Barre, he was force to leave his Villa Somalia, when it became apparent that the "hired mercenaries" in the form of 20 or so odd thousands of Ethiopians soldiers could not keep him there. So that is that, again.

 

Consequently the up-shot of that experience, was that the international community (IC) have realize that for Somalia to “function" again as a normal state (with no terrorist hiding in her vast empty spaces) it will require a “de-facto acceptance” of the clans of Somalia in-terms of their "potency". And that means, the “Pashtun-of-Somalia” (i.e., the folks of Mogadishu) will forever from here on out, must have the “first-bite” of the “political apple” of Somalia.

 

And everyone else comes second, safe for Somaliland, who would either come to understanding of a “velvet divorce” with them; or will come to an understanding with the “Pashtun-of-Somalia” on a rotational presidency of a “two-state-solution”. This means, the 1960s eras of political manipulation is so over.

 

And also it means, regardless of what political system says (at least on paper) the essence of reality from this point onward, will be the “top post” of Somalia, will forever be “reserve” for the “Pashtun-of-Somalia”; just as whatever the constitution of Afghanistan says, the inherent assumption and understanding is that the “teaming-Pashtun-of-Afghanistan” will forever have the “reserved right” to govern their country; while everyone else will have to “compete” for the second slots in the political hierarchy of the state.

 

This is the reality of Somalia and Afghanistan, going forward. Now, tell me, my friend, is that too difficult of a sermon for you to make a sense of it? :D

 

Of course, the corollary of that argument is that, once that “reserved power” of the presidency is filled by the perpetually "pre-determined folks" (i.e., the Pashtun-of-Somalia), then, the second slots is open for “competition". And it’s in here that your “D-Block” comes apart. After all, our friend Gabbal and his ilk, do not see the need to “defer” to your judgement as to who should “occupy” the second-tier position in Somalia.

 

Hence, you may like to hide behind the fig-leaf of thinking that your folks (i.e., “the-ever-opportunistic-chancers-of-Pirate-land”) “speak” for the whole of the “D-Block”. But, others such as the “revolutionary folks” of our Gabbal friend; or even the “not-known-to-be-bright-long-footed-folks” will most definitely consider your self-serving assertion as too preposterous to even dignify it with standing answer.

 

Subsequently, your “game” of thinking that you could “bluff” your way even to the second-tier-level, with an empty fig-leaf of passing yourself off as if you speak for whole of the “D-Block” will fail in the first huddle. For it will fall apart, since all the folks of Mogadishu need to do, is to open the “bargaining bazaar” for your people and say we are taking a "bidding contest", as to who would fill in the second-tier position from the “D-block-constituency”.

 

And before you say, we – the pirates – were once a Sultanate and must therefore be consider as “first” before others, you will have Gabbal and his ilk elbowing their way to the top of the queue. Or even you may have the “long-footed-folks”, breathlessly suggesting they are game for a deal, if the “Pashtun-of-Somalia” wants them to fill in the “second-tier-position” that was allocated to the “D-Block-constituency”, as whole.

 

This is the reality you must contend with. And you know that to be true, since, all the huffing and pouting lips of Farole could not purchase the position of PM for your folks at the pirate’s end of the Somali peninsula. And the reason was, of course, the likes of Gabbal and his ilk (who are ever so humble and contend to sit at the “second-table-slot”) seemed to have been chosen by the “ruling-clique-of-the-Pashtun-of-Somalia” to represent you.

 

Furthermore, even in the 2016 contest, it’s likely the “Pashtuns-of-Somalia”, who will continue to rule-the-roost, will most likely choose another “politically accommodating-person” from the “D-Block” to suit their purpose of forever calling the “shots” of Somalia. This is again the reality – a cruel reality – in which you must contend with. Not insulting way freely, the likes of Oodweyne when he has the temerity to “decipher” the political fate that awaits you, now that Somalia is heading to a “normal” political existence.

 

All in all, this is the “outcome” of the civil-war of Somalia. And I know it’s pernicious, cruel; as well as an un-equal, and all the rest of it. But, just like present-day Iraq, it has an "internal and consistent logic" of its own, in which we can scream at it; or even rage against it, or even insult those who remind us.

 

But, what we must not do is to believe that reality doesn’t exist. And by that I mean, the Sunnis of Iraq, will always have their place in the high table of Iraq, they will have their constitutional right protected by the court. But, in the final analysis, they will always be at the “back-seat” of power, which in turn will be right behind the “ever-dominant-Shia”.

 

And similarly, your folks will have your rights, regions; even allocated seats in the parliament. But, in all honesty, it will be “second-tier-stage-of-power”; or if you like at the back-seat behind the “ever-dominant-Pashtun-of-Somalia”. Which means, the political hegemony of the "D-block” that had in effect lasted from 1960 to 1991, has been ended, officially, in 2012, with a new reconstituted state of Somalia, whereby, "another political constituency” (namely the Pashtun) will now assume the “hegemonic traits” of power.

 

This is my argument; and I know it makes a painful reading for some. But, being grown up men means dealing with reality as it is; not wishing it away or even denying it, like the manner Xiinfaniin seemed to have been doing as of late.

 

I hope you will take this argument to heart. And if you disagree with me, then perhaps, while keeping your "emotion" in check and therefore seeing no need to start spouting insults at me, see to it if you can have any riposte or even a counter-argument to it. Over to you, my friend.. :D

 

Regards,

Oodweyne.

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Oodweyne, qoor iyo xero ka daba gaallee :D

 

 

D waa laga adkaaday bay kaga dhegtay , waa nin 1970 dalka ka tegay war ma hayo.

 

See looga adkaada when you have Mr.Madoobe in Kismayo, Faroole in Garoowe, and Mr. Saacid in Mogadishu :D

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Oodweyne   

^^ :D :D

 

Your difficulty has always been your inability to tell the difference from "substance" of the things to that of "surface" of it.

 

Hence, it's true that the three gentlemen you mentioned are as you say, can be found of those locations. But in essence, they represent the "surface" of power in current configuration of Somalia; while, the "substance" of power, is reprensented by Hassan Sheikh and his Mogadishu's folks. I hope that won't be difficult for you to "decipher" it.. :D

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^^Awoowe is fahannay :D

 

But understand one thing: current IC thinking, AMISOM objectives, and neighboring countries needs and interests in Somalia are favoring the very objectives of the folks you are so adamant to write off. That is to say, federalism, a political insurance product developed by Puntland to mitigate the lost trust, enjoys support among the stakeholders I mentioned.

 

You need to think why instead of reading the last rites to a man who is strong in health and power :D

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Oodweyne   

Xiinfaniin,.. :D :D

 

I do understand that the “federalism” is your holy-grail of politics; or perhaps your “lodestar” that will take you from the mouth of "political marginality" to that of tip of "monumental power-play" within the Somali peninsula. But, what you seemed to have over-looked, in your haste, is that at this point, the folks of Mogadishu, hasn’t yet given their “endorsement” of the kind of federalism you are espousing.

 

And by that I mean not on a lip-service kind of endorsement of federalism; but the kind that suggest that everyone has acepted the "invetibility" of this particular system; and therefore, all there is to do is to work out the best way/route in getting there.

 

Of course, I readily concede, that the name of the current government is that of federal republic; but as you know that is not a “permanent fixture”. For, it’s only a political system that will be in place till the country can have its mind to decide in public voting the kinds of system they want after 2016.

 

Hence, did it occurred to you, that all the “folks-of-Mogadishu” have to do is to wait till they set up their regions under the current system of government, and then say to you when 2016 day for the referendum for the constitution comes around, that we prefer the notion of “unitary decentralised state”?

 

Hence their wager will be to say to you that if you want Somalia to be a permanent federal system, then they will say to you to see if you can win the votes across the nation for your preferred system.

 

And as day follows night, they have the numbers to “outvote” anyone, particularly when we are not counting the “black-headed-sheeps” in the "wilderness of pirate-land", as the political legend had it, in-terms of what has happened back in 1960s during the then parliamentary seats of the Somali Republic.. :D

 

Consequently, they know that your "political prefered system" really rest on a "shallow ground" in so far as the ultimate reality of post-2016 Somalia is concern.

 

And lastly, even if quasi-federal system is enacted for Somalia (which is a big “IF”, at this point time), then, as you know, in Africa (from Nigeria to Ethiopia) the regions are essentially a shell of empty conceit, at least in comparison to the centre of the nation-state where the political and the administrative heart of the nation are mostly found.

 

And this is why you found in every regions in any federal African state, a place that has all of the whole-mark of a "subsidiary and delegated power", at least on paper, but in essence they are an empty of “real power” to go against what the centre of the country could ever want, in any moment in time.

 

So, if I were you, my friend, I would really not put too much in the hope that after 2016 election and the referendum of the constitution that will be hopefully voted on that time will, “cement” a political federal for Somalia.

 

Whereby, you think, that, on thje back of that system you can then “check” (or even hamper) the future political power of the folks-of-Mogadishu, when they get going in "imposing-their-will" to the rest of Somalia in their new "reconstituted state", in whose name they shall call the political shots.

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Baashi   

Xaashaa. No insults awoowe. None is given or intended. Af lagaado xaal ina rag ma aha.

 

Your posts are dotted with occasional outthrusts that are clearly delusional and could only be penned by someone who have the disorder.

 

Objective and informed folks would admit however biased they may be that Somali civil war had reached an impasse or stalemate if you will. Facts would cooperate with that statement and they could point out with ease that resolution to this tragic conflict between Somali clans seemed difficult and actually IS without foreign intervention.

 

But to you there are imaginary facts and parallel realities only you are privy to where the civil war is over and the contest is won by one side. And the other variation to this delusional outburst is the folks who populate Mogadishu think that way.

 

Now you are shifting gears and you are in the mood to latch on yet another false scenario. You seem to be saying that federal system in which Hassan admin draws his legitimacy from is not a binding constitutional article. Or they, folks in Benadir, have the majority of the votes (yet unfounded argument) to alter the constitution in order to annul federal articles. Get a grip bud.

 

Using Mark Twain’s exhortation, Baashi is telling you “it ain’t so”

 

Awoowe we are not getting far on this -- and come to think of it I would go farther and say we are not even having a debate here. You’re repeating yourself and adding new unfounded emphasis with your old tirade. I am keep on reading posts that could only be written by either someone who is not aware of the actualities on the ground or someone who is completely out of his mind. If you haven’t noticed we are talking past each other 

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Oodweyne   

Baashi,.. :D :D

 

Two things to say in here, and they are as follows:

 

Firstly, I see you still clutching that handy tool of spouting gibberish nonsense along the lines of calling people that they are out of their mind, when in fact they delineate for you how politically naked you are in here… :D

 

But then I again, I suppose when all else fail you; one could always resort to that argument. Eh, my friend? :D

 

Hence, I shall leave you alone with your ever reddening blushes in here in the meantime. After all; when logic fails you, or come to think of it, an articulation of counter-argument goes AWOL on you, then you seemed to have elected to say others are living in “parallel universe”. Or even worse, they are citizens of “alternative reality”.

 

Man, I must say what a way to walk out of losing debate, eh, my friend. But, still, one wonders whether you have ever thought in “patenting” this kind of cheap line; so that other will not use it, lest they pay you.. :D

 

All in all; I agree with you in here that since we reached a point where this argument is essentially over, it's best to call this one for the day. After all, there isn’t anything worthy of such thing from your end. And the end of the day, it's best to let you off the hook.

 

But still, be that as it may, let’s hope this was a lesson for you, particularly how it’s never a good idea to think you could bluff your way out of a tight spot while you are comprehensively naked, and for good measure, are essentially sporting nothing more meaningful than a mouthful of abusive language.

 

Secondly, just so that you know the issue of the "federal system” will be put to the “test” by the time of the 2016 change-over comes around. And it’s precisely that time in which the folks of Mogadishu (who has no love lost for this system) will be saying that they would prefer to have a “unitary decentralised state system”.

 

And therefore their argument will be that, if you folks in Puntland want this federal system, then you must win the vote for it.

 

And, since we know, that in sheer numbers alone they have the vote in their favour, then the current Hassan Sheikh doesn’t have to do anything other to make sure that nothing of a “concrete kind” must be established on that front, till his people can have their say in and around 2016.

 

Hence his job is to keep the “unfinished business” of the current federalism as it is, till his people could kill it by their votes come the referendum of the constitution in 2016.

 

It’s so easy to understand this argument, and in particularly how it’s almost a "walk-in-the-park" to unravel, democratically, this “federalism business” by a determine political folks that have power in their hand and the votes to do so, that I find it difficult that some one of your sophistication could find it difficult to follow through this argument to it's logical conclusion.

 

Unless, of course, this “pretended confusion” on your part, is again in one piece with your earlier effort of "sparing your blushes" (due to your logical nakedness) with a handful of fulmination at worse, and a downright deliberate attempt to pretend not to understand the gist of the argument, at best. :D

 

All in all, I think we done this particular thread to dearth; and with that I think it’s best to give it a decent send-off into the netherworld.

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Baashi   

Oodweyne;983725 wrote:
Baashi
,..
:D
:D

All in all, I think we done this particular thread to dearth; and with that I think it’s best to give it a decent send-off into the netherworld.

Good call :) Agreed.

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