Richard Dawking mocked the Muslim World's intellectual inferiority

[Allyourbase]

As predicted he could not answer the questions I have simplified on purpose for him. Notice how he is still able to write quite a bit of text while refusing to answer these seemingly innocent questions.

 

Dearest DrKenny, you know how weak your argument is, everyone here can see that, and you're trying your best to cover that up by posting random 300 page books which NO ONE in this thread really cares about, in addition to getting us to discuss the practicalities of the breastfeeding trying to pass it off as normal behaviour. lol

 

My facts still stand:

 

- The Prophet did order this practice (from Sahih Hadiths!)

To which our friend says it is a very specific ruling to one family, despite how bizarre of a ruling it is, and the fact that the prophet himself did not clarify that this was a specific rule for that situation.

 

- Not only the prophet but his most beloved wife, and daughter of Abu Baker, the first Caliph, Aisha did indeed practice this to which she was only met with disapproval by the other wives.

 

- Not only the prophet and his wife, but the most prominent Sheikh of Wahabism, Ibn Taymiyah, and his follower Al Albaany, and Al Huwayny all agreed with Aisha and the prophet.

 

 

Our brother Kenny is still in denial after all of this, and as can clearly be seen above, is refusing to answer my simple questions knowing fully well that they would go to show his lack of reason.

 

The questions still are:

 

 

1- Do you dispute the fact that the prophet of Islam ordered a woman to breastfeed a grown man with a beard despite her exclamation?

 

1.5- Did the prophet of Islam indicate the practicalities of such breastfeeding?

 

2- Do you dispute that his wife, the beloved Aisha continued the practice to allow men not related to her access to her quarters?

 

3- Do you dispute the fact that your own Sheikhs, Ibn Taymiyyah and Al Albaani are supporters of this particular ruling and its existence?

 

4- Do you have any Sahih hadiths that support your view of the use of a cup in this weird ritual? [optional]

 

5- What is your personal opinion on this practice? Beyond these religious texts, what is your personal view on this? What was the need that forced the prophet to make such bizarre rulings?

[Allyourbase]

I hope this shows everyone how brainwashed most of our people are with regards to religion and spirituality. I am sure that DrKenny in real life would be some what reasonable and with some education yet when it comes to this subject he is prepared to throw all reason out the window. He knows exactly how strange and disgusting this practice is, he agrees that the prophet ordered it, and that it has also been agreed upon by his most beloved wife and the Sheikh that he calls the Sheikh of Islam, Ibn Taymiyyah, who he agreed is an authority in Islam, but as he is viewing me as an infidel attacking his religion he refuses to stop for a minute to question these walls of texts that he is continually posting. Its very sad wallahi [opps!]

 

[DoctorKenney]

1. Every single one of the 5 questions you posed, were already answered by me.....in my final summary. Go to Page 8 of this thread....and read the bottom post.

 

2. Allyourbase proves his lack of reading comprehension when he repeats questions which I've answered already

 

3. Your constant claims of "victory" make you look silly here. Everyone viewing this thread can see who "won" here.

 

4. You can dismiss the references I posted and claim that "no one cares about them" all you want. But this is a Fiqh issue and there are volumes of books on this single issue

 

5. Anyone who's still interested in this issue....can read my post at the bottom of page 8 . This is my "summary" post which I made about 7 hours ago.

 

6. Anyone who's not satisfied with what I wrote can read the Fiqhi book which has 300 pages of facts and references which goes into this issue in DETAIL

 

Now what are you gonna do? Are you gonna repeat the same exact claims and then re-dress them as a new argument?

 

Everyone can see I answered every single question he posed yet he refuses to answer any of my questions

 

Typical Kaffir arrogance. I'm done with this.

[DoctorKenney]

You see what this Kaffir is doing? He keeps referencing Taymiyah and Albaani and Aisha when I repeatedly stated at least 10 times here......that they were WRONG on this issue. And that they were humans, and capable of being incorrect sometimes.

 

If 98% of Muslims say one thing.....and 2% say another thing. He wants to keep focusing on the small 2%. Typical arrogance.

 

How else am I supposed to reason with a man who refuses to argue in a reasonable manner? How am I supposed to engage with someone who throws logic and honesty out the window?

 

Again....I hate nothing more than repeating myself. So this is the last point I'm gonna make. Read my posts and read my links here. I've done my job

[Allyourbase]

Dude, stop running and answer the questions below:

 

1- Do you dispute the fact that the prophet of Islam ordered a woman to breastfeed a grown man with a beard despite her exclamation?

 

1.5- Did the prophet of Islam indicate the practicalities of such breastfeeding?

 

2- Do you dispute that his wife, the beloved Aisha continued the practice to allow men not related to her access to her quarters?

 

3- Do you dispute the fact that your own Sheikhs, Ibn Taymiyyah and Al Albaani are supporters of this particular ruling and its existence?

 

4- Do you have any Sahih hadiths that support your view of the use of a cup in this weird ritual? [optional]

 

5- What is your personal opinion on this practice? Beyond these religious texts, what is your personal view on this? What was the need that forced the prophet to make such bizarre rulings?

 

I can not allow you to run away from this

[Allyourbase]

Brother Khayr, why dont you help out your friend here? He is in trouble

[DoctorKenney]

Brothers. Look at this pathetic response. Read what I wrote. I answered EVERY single one of his questions and I gave actual references to back myself up (Read Post #199, and Post #200)

 

Now he's repeating himself and then claiming that I never answered anything.

 

End the discussion. Let the readers read for themselves. It's time to disengage from this conversation

 

 

 

*Edited for grammar errors and added brackets.

[Allyourbase]

HE KEEPS SAYING I ANSWERED :D

 

Dude, would you like die if you answered the questions specifically?

 

This is turning to a weird comical situation.

 

Please answer the questions below:

 

1- Do you dispute the fact that the prophet of Islam ordered a woman to breastfeed a grown man with a beard despite her exclamation?

 

1.5- Did the prophet of Islam indicate the practicalities of such breastfeeding?

 

2- Do you dispute that his wife, the beloved Aisha continued the practice to allow men not related to her access to her quarters?

 

3- Do you dispute the fact that your own Sheikhs, Ibn Taymiyyah and Al Albaani are supporters of this particular ruling and its existence?

 

4- Do you have any Sahih hadiths that support your view of the use of a cup in this weird ritual? [optional]

 

5- What is your personal opinion on this practice? Beyond these religious texts, what is your personal view on this? What was the need that forced the prophet to make such bizarre rulings?

 

The questions are open to brother Khayr or any other member of that crew

[Guje]

Interesting discussion.

 

But why are you still on this adult breast feeding fetish thing , let's move on to more serious matters.

[Allyourbase]

Its a minor point really but its one that is well documented, and it just goes to show who DrKenny's role models are and what weird practices they got up to.

 

I do agree we have dwelled on it for quite a bit but our beloved brother refuses to answer my questions, wallahi they are really simple, what do you think Guje?

[Guje]

Interesting discussion.

 

But why are you still on this adult breast feeding fetish thing , let's move on to more serious matters.

[Allyourbase]

I get it but do you have an opinion on what was discussed beyond it being interesting?

 

Waar dadkan su'al kajawabi karayn xagee lagakeenay lol

[Guje]

Allyourbase;991124 wrote:

I get it

but do you have an opinion on what was discussed beyond it being interesting?

 

Waar dadkan su'al kajawabi karayn xagee lagakeenay lol

First of all it was double post and this site is horrible when you hit submit you have to wait 30 seconds and when you refresh you find a double post. :mad:

 

I have no particular opinion but i agree with some of your points esp the proof hadiths but i also see dr kenny point in that its not a known tradition anywhere in islam so you can't pin him on this. hence its a draw, lets move on.

[Allyourbase]

Guje;991131 wrote:

First of all it was double post and this site is horrible when you hit submit you have to wait 30 seconds and when you refresh you find a double post. :mad:

 

I have no particular opinion but i agree with some of your points esp the proof hadiths but i also see dr kenny point in that its not a known tradition anywhere in islam so you can't pin him on this. hence its a draw, lets move on.

I know! I am having these problems myself.

 

My point Guje was not whether or not this was a widely practiced tradition today, I tried to prove that it was part and parcel of the religion and I tried to provide as much evidence as possible. Glad you accept the Hadiths I have provided, and please note I have only used Sheikhs that DrKenny named in his earlier post, and Hadiths that are agreed upon to be Sahih.

 

 

And in the spirit of this thread (i.e. science and Islam) let me stress that I am merely scratching the very surface here and if you dig deeper in the literature you will find even more bizarre rulings by the prophet, who prescribed camel urine as medicine to bunch of bedouins! He ordered grown men drink kaadida geela, and here is the evidence below:

 

Narrated Abu Qilaba: "Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle . (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu'), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)"

 

Now we can not talk about that barbaric punishment described above as its out of confines of this topic. But it is documented that the prophet did indeed preach the drinking of camel's milk, a practice that is performed by many muslims today as can seen here:

 

 

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/drinking-camel-urine-in-yemen-fob-000300-v20n8

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrIKcM-_0r8

 

And if you have more time please read the sorry *** explanation that this website has, and all the 'research' that was done on the subject.

 

http://www.answering-christianity.com/urine.htm

 

Now how do you expect any form of scientific advancement from someone who believes that this sort of behaviour is normal. I totally understand if the vast majority of nomads did not hear about this before, we are all force fed only parts of the religion that our parents are aware of, which for the most part is very little actually. The purpose of me bring these rulings out is for you to questions what has been passed down to you as holy and divine, and see it for what it really is.

[Miyir]

Allyourbase

 

Sulking breast of woman and its consequence is not ancient beliefs, many Somalis to this day still belief it as fact.