Somaliland: consequences of possible disintegration into tribal fiefdoms

[Taleexi]

This is a good read and the author has some good points.

 

 

Somaliland: consequences of possible disintegration into tribal fiefdoms

By Jama Mohamed Askar

January 30, 2012

 

Many Somalis were greatly shocked by recent escalation of armed conflict between Somaliland government and tribal militia in Buhoodleh district. The conflict is probably a precursor to unpredictable security and political developments to unfold for the coming months and years. It indicates that peace is to wane in regions formerly defined as relatively stable areas in the North of Somalia.

 

Read in full http://wardheernews.com/Articles_12/Jan/Askar/29_Consequences_of_possible_disintegration.html

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

I thought Somaliland was a one clan state how can it disintegrate into tribal fiefdoms:D

 

What a confused bunch

[Taleexi]

Indhaha fur. Even that one clan state - arkaanta Islaamka oo kale ma aha ... ee way sii kala gogo'i karaan. See wax kuugu sheegaa.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Taleexi;782551 wrote:

Indhaha fur. Even that one clan state - arkaanta Islaamka oo kale ma aha ... ee way sii kala gogo'i karaan. See wax kuugu sheegaa.

Wax kala go' go aya uun baad ka sheekeysa waxanad tidhaha hadh iyo habeen midniman raba mid dooro dee abti sidani wa khal khal eh

[Taleexi]

Ha ii doordooring ereyada waxaan ku idhi, tolow ma far waaweyn baan wax ugu qoraa.... I'm for building blocks - bottom approach.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

He is raising some good points here though

 

Unionist idealogy: some learned individuals disguising themselves as Northern unionists employ a counterproductive strategy based on tribalism for unionism. Through lack of genuine nationalism coupled with clannish sense of purpose, they horribly upload their writings with hateful overtones labeling a certain clan in the North as troublesome secessionists as though they were less Somali than others. These articles appearing frequently on Somali websites are not only characterized by myopic views but they truly reflect paranoiac attitudes towards others as well.

Given the potential lurking dangers in the dark, employing a strategy splitting up Somaliland into clannish cantons as a vehicle for re-establishing unity of Somalia has a lot of contradictions in itself and manifests ideological and political bankruptcy which cannot be an option for any true unionist. Historically, tribalism proved a very dividing and devastating factor in the social and political relations among Somalis. The unfortunate collapse of Somali government is widely attributed to tribalism and therfore it cannot be used as a medium for resurrecting the unity of Somalia from rubbles under any circumstances

Frankly speaking, neither Awdal State nor Khatumo or others already declared in the South can lead us to reestablishment of a strong Somali government, but we will end up in creating another epoch of total anarchy, bloody inter-clan hostilities, disunity, devastation and human suffering in the modern Somali history

[Taleexi]

Sal fudaydkii reerka uun baa kugu soo baxay adoon akhrin baad budh igula soo kalahday.

[xiinfaniin]

Somaliland is not a country , it will not disintegrate. However, those who believe the separatist ideology will see their border shrink to the areas encompassing the three Mother triangle

 

and that is not bad , it will be a true reflection of the future political landscape , communities will have local administrations.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

xiinfaniin;782579 wrote:

Somaliland is not a country , it will not disintegrate. However, those who believe the separatist ideology will see their border shrink to the areas encompassing the three Mother triangle

 

and that is not bad , it will be a true reflection of the future political landscape , communities will have local administrations.

Thats what you wish that Somaliland resembles Somalia but this is not the case , you want more clan states in the already failed Somalia weak and more weak federal states and semi autonomous regions all based Clan and later into sub clans.Just like in the Garowe Clan enclave first it was Puntland state than it was raas caseer state than it was west puntland state.The future indeed looks bright there in the pirate enclave. The pirates want to turn Somalia into a broken puzzle. Everything must and look like you're clan state the smaller the fiefdoms the better somaha Xiinfaniin:D

[Taleexi]

Baraare iyo nabad baa dhanka Waqooyiga malaa lagaga nool yahay.

[xiinfaniin]

Xaaji Xunjuf, I know you have not recovered the anguish that resulted from Buuhoodle defeat of your militia , so I am finding difficult to reason with you

 

But the scheme is simple in concept as it is beautiful in execution; 1) communities in Somaliland that do not agree with separating from Somalia establish regional admins, 2) Somaliland admin gets rattled and resorts to ineffective raids ,which will ultimately be rebelled and defeated by locals, 3) aid agencies recognize local authority and offer developments , 4) those busy in reconstructing central authority build on the local political machine that exists and incorporate them in to the national effort, 5) Somaliland gets reduced to its core clannish support, and the case of broader political base for dismembering Somalia evaporates , 6) national arrangement will recognize Somaliland's contribution for what ever it is worth and reward them accordingly

 

 

Inta caawa merfish ka aqri, haddaan tol iyo qaraabo nahay , sheekh was the mentee of great Muslim scholar sheekh , rafiiqna way ahayeen ee ogow xaajiyow

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

The biggest nonsencial argument coming from Mr Xiinfanin let me put it this way when the pirates were defeated by the Somaliland armed forces what did exactly happen a local clan jabhad was established how did that end how was that exactly embraced in Garowe? Skimirish between the Somaliland armed forces and a local Militia will never escalate mark my words on that it will never happen it will here and there go lose a bit.But knowing the political culture in Somaliland and its different communities and knowing that one clan in one region cannot share a single administration nor with his kin it will be a devastating containment in the long term. And here is where the Somaliland government will play its fine Politics the same way how the former ssc rebels were incorporated into the Somaliland Political system. But the biggest losers will be the pirates as a subclan state is turning into a sub subclan state the garaad clan did set the pace for others to follow a clear genuine example for raas caseer and west Pl states that every thing is divisible into smaller clan fiefdoms in the former garowe Clan enclave indeed time is ticking Xiinfaniin

[Taleexi]

Xiin ha u jaawibina ee inaadeerkiina Hargeisa warqada ka soo qoray la hadla.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

oo taleexi ma waxa lugugu yidhi hargeysa waxa jooga oo kaliya XX iyo oodweyne dadkay ilmadeerka yihin. Amabaad idinku ilmadeer tihin.

[Taleexi]

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