One Country, two systems, two flags and two passports. Is that Possible?

[BN]

Appears to work today lakiin what will happen in 2047 when the transition period is over? Will be interesting to see if we live to witness such a time.

[Carafaat]

Carafaat;844868 wrote:

My predidiction on the outcome of the Londen talks is: One country, two systems. Plus a referendum in 2015 for a definitive settlement. Much like the agreement between the Sudans.

 

All is going great. Few more months and there will be a definet settlement. I heard there will be one passport, one currency and one foreign policy.

 

[Haatu]

Carafaat;909349 wrote:

All is going great. Few more months and there will be a definet settlement. I heard there will be one passport, one currency and one foreign policy.

 

This is what you should stick with. Forget that rubbish Cushitism

[Carafaat]

Haatu, that will be the next step. Afcourse assuming ONLF and Ethiopia reach deal.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Carafaat what do you think of a union between SL djibouti and Eritrea. That means also the Afars will be united the people of seylac lughaye and gabiley and borama who both live in SL and Djibouti will be united. And i always liked a beautiful beja woman from the lowlands of Eritrea.

[Waranle_Warrior]

Somaliland has little bargaining chip remained at their disposal, the pressure that's getting to them is not only the momentum this government has been gaining and the increasing regional stability of the south and Mogadishu, or high profile SL politicians enlisting to join Mogadishu government, the emergence of Khaatumo or Awdal states and the dispute of Puntland with SOOL, SANAAG, the failure of getting recognition for two decades amid the south's archaic situation and the desire for secession that has become synonymous and resoundingly exclusive to one clan, they duriyada clan - that all made the Admin in Hargeisa rethink their strategy, save face and accept to be part of a federal Somalia. That's what's on the table. We will see Insha'llah.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

in the mean time Somaliland controls 90% of Somaliland territory and there is no threat coming from Somalia, i am not sure about high profile SL politicians in the south if you consider fawziya high profile she never held a position in Somaliland not in 21 years. The only thing about her is she was a very known person in Somaliland and comes from one of the aristocratic SL families. But nothing will change on Somaliland and Somalia only the talks can change a few things. Somalia and Somaliland can work together some good deals. if both sides are open and sincere. Somalia hasn't change politically and domestically the only thing they gained with the trip to Washington is official relations state to state relations but that wont change the fact that Somalia still needs 17.000 AU troops in Somalia and that it still doesn't function as a normal state, that it still doesn't have the organs and institutions that the people of Somalia need. Somalia is making progress diplomatically but only the people of Somalia and its politicians can change Somalia internally and that's where the problem lies.

[Waranle_Warrior]

^Xunjuf, I like your argument but lets not forget one thing please, that Somaliland is a region within Somalia as far the international community is concerned.

 

Somalia is better than it was a year ago, the conflict and armed confrontations among Somalis is over apart from the Alshabaab held territories. Somali politicians may not like each other, Faroole may not see everything eye to eye with President Hassan or the President may dislike Ahmed Madoobe in the south but I doubt they will ever resolve their differences through use of a gun, those days are gone, its all politics, so Somalia made progress and the days of major conflicts have been brought to a halt.

 

On the international and diplomatic side, its not only the US waryaa, all the international community are on consensus on this, the AU, EU, UN, UK, USA,Turkey. All have different attitude towards Somalia. Somaliland politicians understand all this and of course the growing pressure within their dominion, they want to make a change of direction a gateway sort of thing while they have a favorable position and before its too late.

[Waranle_Warrior]

Things will clear up in May - Somalia conference in UK

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

The problem with how you people think is you put to much weight into the rest of the world you don't look how the domestic affairs of you're country are being administrated. Yes you have a seat at the AU one in IGAD A.L. But it means nothing on the ground when there is no unity among you're own people you can get as much support from the west and they might even give you the legitimacy you need. But at the end of the day you have to do it you're self. No one will do it for you, right now Puntland supports the government for what it is but the Government doesn't control Puntland its a semi autonomous state they rather consider them allies to the govt. If you look back in history during the Siyad bare regime he could care less about how the world viewed his country dictatorship or not he made an alliance with Soviet union then kicking them out and leaned towards Washington. Right now you are just repeating what the the folks in Somalia say beesha calaamku hana caawiso while aad adigu rabin inad is caawisid only you can come out of this mess unless you want the AMISOM troops to stay for ever.

[Waranle_Warrior]

^The world matters warya for we all live in this world, the failure of attaining recognition despite your never ending tiresome, either by hook or by crook methods, to get it from the rest of the world is testament to that.

 

Also Somaliland is part of the divided nation of Somalia and one of the clans you are talking about. Secession has been confined to only one Somali clan, that's also another fact on the ground. You cannot overcome all these and pretend nothing is on horizon for regions of Galbeedka Somalia but dismemberment and Independence as a nation - its delusional.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Ofcourse you live in this world every one does but you're nation comes first than the world its good to have diplomatic muscle but you should have a good organized Somali country that can sustain and protect its self and its sovereignty its people and should have territorial control. Other than that you have really nothing, Somaliland is trying to win recognition when the country they were united with once is a play ground for AU troops. Now the IC opened talks for Somaliland and Somalia to clarify their future relations lets see how that goes. Somaliland is still in very pretty good shape controls 90% of its territory has relations with the neighboring countries institutions in tact, have larger budget than Somalia. Held over 3 democratic elections and the last one was held even in the eastern sool region which was once disputed area between Somaliland and the garowe clan enclave. All in all Somaliland functions as a normal state , Somaliland doesn't need assistance from the west nor AU troops to protect its president. Somaliland mission is different it wants to become an official member of the International community. The two countries Somalia and Somaliland are fighting two separate wars my friend you were not that long ago forced to have a mandate no my friend you are not there not even close. When you have you're country intact is the day you can boost about achievements.

[Waranle_Warrior]

^I don't what know what you are talking about, you are going in circles and have confused me, its hard to debate with people when it isn't easy for them to articular their points.

 

Yes, Somalia disintegrated, bloody civil war broke out, the whole country was broken down and territories taken by groups and clans, north west Somalia declared independence, the north east formed autonomous system, and continuous conflict ensued for much of the south of the country for most part of the last two decades. Things are changing now, the country is making strides to recover from all those bad things and new plans are being drawn to put everything right, and Somaliland is part of these plans.