Aaliyyah Posted March 19, 2007 Thanks to the collaborators, the foreign troops are in our country right now for occupation, raping our women, killing innocent civilians, torturing and executing our wadaads, iwm. The only means that can kick those foreign troops and their collaborators out of Somalia is force. How do you suppose we do that. Given that they are supported by the transitional government? :confused: . Somalis need to work together, til then we will have foreign troops in Hamar. wa salaam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms DD Posted March 19, 2007 Maybe I should start another thread..for the members to start outlining how the situation should pan out. No one seems to be offering a solution to this. The deluded TFG supporters prefer the stats-quo and the gungo-HO attitude of Court supporters (or otherwise) in their keeness to change things by force and their unwillingness to solve this choatic country by dialogue and discussion with those they deem to be the enemy. As far as I see..there is only one course of action that is better for our people. Lets set aside clannish allegience for a minute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aaliyyah Posted March 19, 2007 Cambarro sis , the solution would be support the transitional government. It doesnt matter if foreign troops are back home or not. it is been 16 years of civil war, as you already mentioned in your other post ppl back home are suffering and they are not able to support their families and meet their basic needs. wa salaam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted March 19, 2007 Camabarra..There is no solution. This is zero sum game. Sadly, no one even with foriegn assistance has the means to subdue all Somalis. So we are left with this cycle of perpetual violence where one group momentarilly gains the upper hand while lay in waiting for their time to shine. And the cycle repeats itself. I say Balkanize the dam country, and make some sort of loose federation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NASSIR Posted March 19, 2007 The TFG is doing its best to transition us from the current cul-de-sac of Somalia. They envisioned that reconciliation in the country would work best at least to bring together those at the helm of the contentious issues. Whether they are the drivers or not is not important although I very much doubt that they are not the drivers, but what is important is the TFG’s administrative mechanism to the recurrent violence and the level of leadership they have projected to its adversaries. The TFG leadership is indeed proactive and committed to the responsibility of communicating with the people. However, what is quite startling is how some quarters of our society have arrogated ownership rights to the capital that the city is theirs despite the fact that the capital has been home to all Somalis from all over Somalia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miles-militis Posted March 19, 2007 Baashi - A worthy subject of discussion granted one could ward off our beloved "qawsaar" flock from turning it into a mud-slinging bout, thusly spoiling it for the rest. A bit of both depending upon whom you lend your ears. It is definitely the former should you listen to the cheers emanating from the TFG camp whereas the latter should you concern yourself, bearing in mind one should in these murky matters, with bellowy discharges from the UIC sympathisers in our midst. However, if one were to ignore the bellows as well as the cheers concentrating more upon the core issues at the centre of the Somali conflict still pending, I would be as bold as to venture that it is indeed a step to the right direction. Within civil circles, dialogue espoused in with dose of reasoned logic and good judgement are the sought-after commodities and means out of the abyss, however in Somalia's case, all else fell short in delivering an inclusive compromise many a times, hence the use of force in this instance and the bellows from the UIC camp. Their chorus of being mightier than thou fell on deaf ears still mistaking the honeymoon period for the eternal finale! Murky as it is, the situation is neither as hapless as some would have you believe as they splash muck at all corners whispering spite into any ear that desires to listen , nor is it as perfect as others would want to seduce you into swallowing astringents in ecstasy and in heavenly temples. Ownership, participation and procedural process as indicative of your note and have already been jibed elsewhere shall be debated to death prior to its being kicked off, albeit the infliction of its accord and putting it into effect, which in my mind is wholly critical and more significant, shall make it or break it. You shall of course hear of quite a bit grumble from loony lot in the Diaspora, objection from the UIC leadership along with their sympathisers, and condemnation from the Somaliland darlings who would wish they had existed on another planet. Unruffled, those from Puntland shall seem from the onset, albeit steaming with fury underneath and barely signalling their discontent, lest seen quasi opposing the founding father, and as ever forfeiting a hattrick in the proceedings awarding unbecoming concessions for the sake of peace, government and nation. Mogadishu shall be as secure as one could possibly manage, and whilst it shall not hinder the process, it might frustrate matters in perhaps delaying the kick-off or extending its procession, but the gathering shall commence, its gates might be crushed by the prowling, well-perfumed gellied Diaspora Casanovas, some shall participate whilst others shall denounce its outcome as illegitimate, and we as ever shall observe it from afar as to where it all lands. And by the way, allow me to part with an assertion as I trot towards cheekier lots, the Somali issue is no longer in the hands of the Somalis alone, owned not by the Somalis alone, and rightly or wrongly the boat sailed on under the captainship of the intelligence community, thusly old hands are highly unlikely to tip off the ferry, as it were! I shall leave it there. Tata... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted March 19, 2007 Bashi, the reconciliation coneference is aimed at starting a nation wide dialogue, its the start and not the end. All clans are invited as equals, those who were armed and those were not the so called minorities and those who percieve to be the big shots. Its an all inclusive meeting. The security issue is not a big deal and if it was the TFG would have chosen a difefrent venue, it has that luxury now, Baidoa, Kismayu or any part of Puntland. However Mogadishu was chosen as it is the capital and the symbol of the war itself and all that was negetive about it. The Ethiopians, Ugandans or the other AU troops is a side show an excuse for some, if Bossaso was chosen as a meeting place they would have complained about that fact and strongly. Thus Mogadishu, the capital the scared city and the place were no governemnt could go, is the venue, the 3000 delagtes will reporesent every clan. It is by far the hottest show coming, many people are rushing to get their tickets.. Who should send our own SOL member to the meeting, maybe Qabil-Ubahane, or Taliban to see thetruth of the reality on the ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taliban Posted March 19, 2007 Originally posted by AAliyah416: How do you suppose we do that. Given that they are supported by the transitional government? :confused: . Somalis need to work together, til then we will have foreign troops in Hamar. Resistance and liberating the country will require sacrifice, patience, steadfastness, faith in Allah, supporting the resistance/insurgency in any way possible, iwm. The TFG is a collaboration entity; there can be no negotiation with it. There was a time when negotiation between the TFG and ICU was possible; that was before the invasion, which the TFG squandered. You're right, we will have foreign troops in Hamar, but they cannot remain there forever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacpher Posted March 20, 2007 The whole thing is about putting a façade of legitimacy to persuade the donors that Somalis are fully behind the government so TFG can get that ATM card to collect the 40+ million frozen by the EU. It's really not a genuine peace negotiations involved by all parties. We had Buuba [who really doesn’t represent anyone other than his belly] referring the courts as Al-Qaeda and rolled out their involvement in the conference. Geedi has more support in Addis than Moqdisho. Ina Yusuf invited PL as a clan entity but he felt short of persuading them. If you look at the big picture, the message is clear. Either with us including Amxaaro or against us. The delegation are not invited to participate in the TFG peace process but rather to support the peace process and whatever TFG led by Amxaaro has in store for Moqdisho and greater Somalia. It's a TFG peace process, not Somalis peace process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taliban Posted March 20, 2007 Originally posted by Jimcaale: It's a TFG peace process, not Somalis peace process. Well put. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faarax-Brawn Posted March 20, 2007 Originally posted by Jimcaale: The whole thing is about putting a façade of legitimacy to persuade the donors that Somalis are fully behind the government so TFG can get that ATM card to collect the 40+ million frozen by the EU. The delegation are not invited to participate in the TFG peace process but rather to support the peace process and whatever TFG led by Amxaaro has in store for Moqdisho and greater Somalia. It's a TFG peace process, not Somalis peace process. The delegation will be paid,I presume Jimcaale? So,there is no genuine participant,just paid stakeholders who want money... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacpher Posted March 20, 2007 The delegates might be paid if they avoid criticizing Ethiopia’s brutal military force in Somalia for the past sixteen years. Invitation or not, Amxaaro were always the unwanted guest and involved in the country financially and militarily since the early days of the civil war. You could say those who casted their votes for Ina Yusuf in Nairoib were also not genuine people but stake holders and later became sworn enemies of him when he turned the tables on them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tahliil Posted March 20, 2007 Some of us believe that Somalia, no matter who you blame for it (Adeer Yeey the wild dog, Indhacade the real Habash stooge, Yalaho the illiterate, Geedi the frozen fruit, the Qanyare character or the wild-card Caydiid dawaco) ceased to exist completely several months ago...That nation has been transferred, sold regardless of the thought and the explanation behind your justifications. All this gibberish talk that this country or that country will change things around is a mere excuse to make ourselves feel better about the unthinkable that we found ourselves engulfed right now. Thus the question following that belief being...who is supposed to be talking to who here, negotiating with who and about what? To reconcile you must have in hand the object in conflict or at least have some knowledge of the matter in debate. I see none in here... Therefore, personally, I think we better sit with our true leader, and accept the fact that Ethiopia's interest has to come first and foremost. Our reconciliation and peace as things stand right now are dependent on the Yes or No vote of his Excellency Mr. Zenawi. Let's sign up to whatever he wants from us, there must be something, after all his soldiers are not paying with their lives every day in the streets of Mogadishu, for what? To better and improve the lives of Somalis...really? that explanation is a void one as it is and I don‘t think it is the right one… Access to the sea, military bases, Northwestern Somalia, whatever he has in mind, let's sit with him and bring things in the open...The international politics is like any other transaction in the world....give and take…I think any other thing (reconciliation over here, a gathering over there) will delay the inevitable and the painful reality…We have to, must make some concessions to Prime Minister Meles to remain alive, he is the one running the show after all and we better make these concessions soon. Or we can unite behind one true and strong slogan and fend off the enemy at any cost…They call that, the latter I mean, resistance and it’s legitimate and universal (from the days of the American revolution several hundred years ago to Darwiish times this has changed the mindset and the course of empires)…and it’s doable, very much so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacpher Posted March 20, 2007 I think Amin Amir sums it up here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted March 20, 2007 The reconciliation conference is a good step. Many SOL experts as ever will give us their outlandish view point. However the reality on the ground is difefrent. The hottest ticket in town lets see how many refuse to go.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
