What kind of Government System for the Somali Democratic Republic

[maakhiri1]

I  am a big advocate for Khatumo SSC to join the club of Federal states, rightfully earned it,  and then we continue the debate, lol

Jokes aside, Arafat, wallahi there is not much animosity or clan wars between Somalis anymore, Somali from any clan could live in Bosaaso, or,  Baidoa, or Mogadishu,(with the exemption of radical secessionists deporting SOMALI citizens from Lascanood)  but I agree there is HUGE mistrust, extremely lack of understanding of governance,  as a good example is HSM now, nepotism,  tribal, and extremely corrupt,  completely misused the powers,  who can advocate for to give more powers someone like him? Till then nin walba xaafadiisa ha dhisto.

 

 

[maakhiri1]

5 hours ago, Illyria said:

 

On the rendered services front, today through the private sector, States incl. SL and PL provide better services in clean drinking water, electricity, telecommunication, clinics, schools to name a few, in their respective regions, albeit subsidised, with good examples being Borama, Hargeysa, Garowe, and Las Anod (well, prior to its being raised to the ground),  and such regions have never known of, or heard of a government in any form. JL and SW are following suit, and are expected to do the same in the coming years. More children attend schools than ever before outside of the capital; more children have been vaccinated than ever before. This was advanced by way of a devolved system adopted by default post State collapse.

 

All these are for elites and owned by private, we can focus on schooling and literacy rate, that is people who finished primary school as considered by UNESCO, that is now less 20%

Read these reports

https://idea.usaid.gov/cd/somalia/education

especially this report from Unesco https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000380838

Somalia is so messed up, not only large majority are not attending schools, but the quality is veyr very poor, you will find some who finished high school and can not write a paragraph in Somali.

Healthcare is a joke, DR Gaboose opened a hospital in Hargaisa and named Haldoor, how insensitive, it is for the rich and elites,  a single visit to GP is $100 usd!

 

 

 

[Arafaat]

18 hours ago, maakhiri1 said:

I  am a big advocate for Khatumo SSC to join the club of Federal states, rightfully earned it,  and then we continue the debate, lol

Jokes aside, Arafat, wallahi there is not much animosity or clan wars between Somalis anymore, Somali from any clan could live in Bosaaso, or,  Baidoa, or Mogadishu,(with the exemption of radical secessionists deporting SOMALI citizens from Lascanood)  but I agree there is HUGE mistrust, extremely lack of understanding of governance,  as a good example is HSM now, nepotism,  tribal, and extremely corrupt,  completely misused the powers,  who can advocate for to give more powers someone like him? Till then nin walba xaafadiisa ha dhisto.

 

 

SSC controls properly more land than Jubbaland, Galmudug, Hir-Shabelle, and should get whatever those States are getting. 

On the second point, as long as a conflicts have not been settled through a formal settlement marking the end of the underlying  issue of contention, it will keep lingering on passively, and thus distrust and mistrust will remain even if it’s decades after the active fighting, and will undermines any discussion on commons and governance. This is not just some western concept, it’s also how our ancestors usefull to resolve things under the tree. 

 

[Illyria]

On 9/7/2023 at 6:36 PM, maakhiri1 said:

 

All these are for elites and owned by private, we can focus on schooling and literacy rate, that is people who finished primary school as considered by UNESCO, that is now less 20%

Read these reports

https://idea.usaid.gov/cd/somalia/education

especially this report from Unesco https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000380838

Somalia is so messed up, not only large majority are not attending schools, but the quality is veyr very poor, you will find some who finished high school and can not write a paragraph in Somali.

Healthcare is a joke, DR Gaboose opened a hospital in Hargaisa and named Haldoor, how insensitive, it is for the rich and elites,  a single visit to GP is $100 usd!

Early gains in Federalism in its rudimentary form: Today, in major cities in SL and PL, basic services including clean drinking water, electricity, telecommunication, clinics, schools to name a few, in their respective regions, albeit subsidised are available, with good examples being Boorama, Boosaaso, Garowe, and Las Anod to name a few; at the fall of the nation state institutions in 1990, said cities had never known of, or heard of a government in any form, besides the presence of military hardware and “guulwade” positioned to subjugate the poor public.

Let me offer another example in the education sector. Back then, if a student, say from Boorama, finished high school and wished to continue to higher education, in pre 1990, said student would have had to be relocated to Xamar, where s(he) had no family support, but today s(he) has a choice of going to a local institution, or to another city nearby, if s(he) could  afford.

There are two technical colleges in Burco and Galkacyo, which have a great deal of potential.

In the medical field, if a child got sick in Hargeysa, the 2nd largest city in the country, in the old days, said child had to be transported to Xamar for medical attention, for the only General hospital in Hargeysa was not equipped, nor had medical doctors, to offer the most basic of medical services. Then, there was only one fully qualified GP, who worked part-time, along with Jr trainees, and a few nurses, at the General hospital. There were no private clinics. Today MRIs, CT scans, dialyses, diagnostic services etc. are available locally.

In telecom and Internet services, Somalia now offers some of the best in the world with even nomads having access to high speed Internet. I was browsing the net, and watching movies, with no buffering in Garacad. Some counties in rural America do not have fast Internet speed. Imagine that. Now, compare that to the pre 1990 where to make a phone call, one had to travel to Xamar for a permission to place a trunk call.

Said services had been enabled, if facilitated by devolved system adopted by the country, and it is no longer a city State dictatorship.
 

[maakhiri1]

11 hours ago, Arafaat said:

SSC controls properly more land than Jubbaland, Galmudug, Hir-Shabelle, and should get whatever those States are getting. 

On the second point, as long as a conflicts have not been settled through a formal settlement marking the end of the underlying  issue of contention, it will keep lingering on passively, and thus distrust and mistrust will remain even if it’s decades after the active fighting, and will undermines any discussion on commons and governance. This is not just some western concept, it’s also how our ancestors usefull to resolve things under the tree. 

 

Also OIL rich, HOOL  HOOL is proven , time to dig 

[Game changer]

Hrtigu yagaa isku cadaw ah , kulligood na MJga way neceb yihiin , laangaab kasta calan yarbuu hoosta Ku sitaa ,oo uu weliba xin u wataa iyo xasarad.  Bal imika kaa maakhiri haday u yimdan nimankaas dhloos  oo ay dhahaan waar walaalaw aynu wax Isku darsano yeeli maayaan , dhuxulaysatadu waa xaasidiin.

  Bal waayee aynu puntland Iska wada hagaajisanana Ku heshiin maayan oo dhloosku waa faqiir mustal kibir.  Waaba tiiyoo lax qalatay oo iidr iska celisay after 100 years. MJ ayaan dhaw waxay soo istaagayan waar yaa ilaahay yaqaan oo harageedii nagaga celiya. 

Haduu jiro reer sallid lasoo bixi karaa Anaga ugu dhaw maanta, anagana ilaahay farahuu naga falay    sagaashan kaba dad baanu Dhulkooda Ku haysana , goror Caqli ahi naguma jiro aan ahayn wax iska celiya.  

[Illyria]

6 hours ago, Game changer said:

Hrtigu yagaa isku cadaw ah , kulligood na MJga way neceb yihiin , laangaab kasta calan yarbuu hoosta Ku sitaa ,oo uu weliba xin u wataa iyo xasarad.  Bal imika kaa maakhiri haday u yimdan nimankaas dhloos  oo ay dhahaan waar walaalaw aynu wax Isku darsano yeeli maayaan , dhuxulaysatadu waa xaasidiin.

  Bal waayee aynu puntland Iska wada hagaajisanana Ku heshiin maayan oo dhloosku waa faqiir mustal kibir.  Waaba tiiyoo lax qalatay oo iidr iska celisay after 100 years. MJ ayaan dhaw waxay soo istaagayan waar yaa ilaahay yaqaan oo harageedii nagaga celiya. 

Haduu jiro reer sallid lasoo bixi karaa Anaga ugu dhaw maanta, anagana ilaahay farahuu naga falay    sagaashan kaba dad baanu Dhulkooda Ku haysana , goror Caqli ahi naguma jiro aan ahayn wax iska celiya.  

We are trying to elevate the discourse, and it is as if you are stuck in the first gear unable to shift. Tag along with the rest of us, you may benefit a thing, or two.

[Game changer]

Kulli fidna cinda dhloos.  MJ waa dad la fahmi Karo oo ujeedo iyo kajeedaba leh , dhuxulaysatadu xitaa waa niman macquula .  Laakiin reerkan kale waa xadhig lama sitaan. Arin keen iyo aqbal keen midna maaha.   Kaana tegi maayan si wanaagsana kuula joogi maayan.

Imika saw may odhan khaatumo nala yidhaahda oo maamul baanu nahay gaara.   Waxa horgal garowe jooga oo dhan hal qof xitaa  xilkiisa bannayn maayo.  Markay bannayn waayana  shacabkii yagu qadiyadan lahaa afkay furanayan, MJ baa lugaha nagu dhegan bla bla.  Xitaa hadii kuwa pro Hartiga ahi Bataan, kuwaa soo bixi doona Ku doodaya hadaanu moodayno in puntland loo socdo Somaliland lamaanu dirir neen.   Qaarbaaba cirro bidaar tiisa leefleefi doona.  GX aw  heegaanu is haynay camal, 

Wixiina wax is bixinaya maaha,  waa reer yaroo xaaladuhu jeexjeexen ,  waxay Ku qurux badnaayen inay somaliland ama puntland mid Ku adkaystaan,  muqdishu na siday moodayeen maaha oo Reer baa yeeshay. Reerkuna ma rabaan reero martiya oo cusub.  Marka laysla meeraysto  Waxaaba  macquulaba in amniyaat ka alshabaab xarun Ka dhigtan lascaanod ,  mandaqadan  waxa Ku badan dhalinyarada diinta bartay.  Let's not underestimate them.  Waa cell  hurda. Yaga iyo kuwa burco joogaaba qoom soo socda bay hordhac u yihiin.  

 

 

[Illyria]

27 minutes ago, Game changer said:

Kulli fidna cinda dhloos.  MJ waa dad la fahmi Karo oo ujeedo iyo kajeedaba leh , dhuxulaysatadu xitaa waa niman macquula .  Laakiin reerkan kale waa xadhig lama sitaan. Arin keen iyo aqbal keen midna maaha.   Kaana tegi maayan si wanaagsana kuula joogi maayan.

Imika saw may odhan khaatumo nala yidhaahda oo maamul baanu nahay gaara.   Waxa horgal garowe jooga oo dhan hal qof xitaa  xilkiisa bannayn maayo.  Markay bannayn waayana  shacabkii yagu qadiyadan lahaa afkay furanayan, MJ baa lugaha nagu dhegan bla bla.  Xitaa hadii kuwa pro Hartiga ahi Bataan, kuwaa soo bixi doona Ku doodaya hadaanu moodayno in puntland loo socdo Somaliland lamaanu dirir neen.   Qaarbaaba cirro bidaar tiisa leefleefi doona.  GX aw  heegaanu is haynay camal, 

Wixiina wax is bixinaya maaha,  waa reer yaroo xaaladuhu jeexjeexen ,  waxay Ku qurux badnaayen inay somaliland ama puntland mid Ku adkaystaan,  muqdishu na siday moodayeen maaha oo Reer baa yeeshay. Reerkuna ma rabaan reero martiya oo cusub.  Marka laysla meeraysto  Waxaaba  macquulaba in amniyaat ka alshabaab xarun Ka dhigtan lascaanod ,  mandaqadan  waxa Ku badan dhalinyarada diinta bartay.  Let's not underestimate them.  Waa cell  hurda. Yaga iyo kuwa burco joogaaba qoom soo socda bay hordhac u yihiin. 

Halkii aan ku lahaa waar ka joog ayaad ku sii wadaa!
Could you formulate your thinking over issues sans through the clan prism?

[Illyria]

To demonstrate virtues of devolved system, let us take the ongoing football games as an example of where devolution works better than centralisation. Evident in the football games, as they are expected to take place in all States, and regions, local talent is incubated, nurtured, and shines, where in turn from that pool, a national team could be formed selecting fine talent from the States. The same applies to arts, architecture, edu, med etc. Conversely, in centralised environment, local talent is neglected, hardly gets the impetus nor the resources to be developed, which in turn impedes national talent.

Now, let us see how you could argue against that?

[Arafaat]

1 hour ago, Illyria said:

To demonstrate virtues of devolved system, let us take the ongoing football games as an example of where devolution works better than centralisation. evident in the football games, as they are expected to take place in all States, and regions, local talent is incubated, nurtured, and shines, where in turn from that pool, a national team could be formed selecting fine talent from the States. The same applies to arts, architecture, edu, med etc. Conversely, in centralised environment, local talent is neglected, hardly gets the impetus nor the resources to be developed, which in turn impedes national talent.

Now, let us see how you could argue your that?

I think we need to distinguish devolution from sovereignty. We all agree that one needs to have a devolved system and for regions to have the means, power and mandates to arrange and provide services on local level and to have descision making also on that level.  However do we want sovereignty to be shared between the centre and the regions, and for the regions to have a ‘veto’ in the affairs of the country so to say, which we have seen how it looks like with Puntland demanding some sort of veto power and trying to steer foreign policy of the greater parts, as example of how this shared sovereignty in the context of the Somalia might look like. 

 

[galbeedi]

There are universal things people across the world desire to have  in their countries, like freedom, peace and stability, better health care, good education for their kids and so on. I thought the main reason for  the delegation of power to the local level was to provide the services people need in their counties, towns and regions.. There are unitary states that have all the necessary requirements for local self governments and the delegation of power..

 

I do believe that  those Somalis who are advocating the federals system of government are taking their reference point from military government of Somalia where power was not only centralized, but also services where located in the capital region,  be higher education, passport services and even employment opportunities. This model by itself was unique to Somalia and few African nations where resource is based on one major location due to the size of the population and the character of the ruling group. In many former Soviet countries where power was centralized,  services were provided  through the local party apparatus. They had infrastructure, higher education institutions, vibrant cities, airports and so on.

 

Look at China today, where the Chinese Communist party has lifted 600 million people out poverty through market economy, yet power is centralized through few men from  the communist politipuro who has less than 30 people in a nation of 1.3 billion people. Both India and Chinese state were established in late forties, yet the Chinese have surpassed India in most of the important human development metrics.

So, I ask those who are advocating for vthe federal system, is your intension is to copy what you see  in USA, Canada and few other countries, or you have a federal model that fits uniquely for  the 15 million Somalis concentrated in few regions of the country while the rest of the country  is empty vast land. Nations like Canada whose  vastness of the country-- being the second largest in the world --which is almost like a continent, requires to be governed like a federal state. The same could be said USA, India or Nigeria with later having very diverse population.

 

Illyria is talking about the efficiency of the free market based  businesses in Boosaaso, Borama and Hargeisa where uninterrupted electric or water services are much better than state run places. I will add that the Somali telecom service is much better than the state Ethiopian telecom where five star hotels provide very weak WIFI services or bad connectivity with the outside world. I think all that could be done in a system unitary, or federal system.

The main issue here when you build a system you have to either create a unique system that fits your needs, character and nation or you copy others. No one can deny that the Somali federal system is copied from Ethiopia in so many ways including the names of leaders as presidents, the security apparatus of having paramilitary force (The Liyu police) and the rivalry that pits ethnic groups (Clans) in a way that encourages a system that justifies the end. There are no other nations in the world where you have  six or seven presidents with both the federal and regional leaders are called presidents. We have a rich Somali language to find a name suitable to the these governors.

 

Another issue Illyria raised is the cost of doing services. IN the current system cities and towns do not exist at all. They don't have  established and law based formula of collecting taxes and allocating services. Furthermore, after you leave the city limit, there are no governments, services or even a leadership to serve the rural people. They have fake " Gudoomiyaha Gobolka Nugaal, Bari,and Mudug  and so on with zero taxing ability.. Just like Somaliland which called it self a country, Puntalnd has regional governors with single office of Gudoomiye, Police chief and few other offices that doesn't concern themselves what is beyond the regional office. Gudoomiyaha gobolka Awdal,  just like the one in Bari,  has one small office and the ear of the the so called president, nothing more.

Regional leaders in Puntland and other federal states require large parliament with minimum of 100 people, two or three dozen ministeries, their budgets, security details and so on.

 

Galmudug has a district in Gallkacayo, Dhuusamareeb town  and five  minor districts with a population of less than a million people,  why would they need a federal bureaucracy to manage these small counties. Even in Puntland, if you remove the Bari region and its bustling port of Boosaaso, what you got is Garoowe, Gaalkacayo and few small towns.. Furthermore, everyone isn't Puntland where you have basically one single major clan and their associates. Hiiraan, Awdal, Gedo, Shabeelahsa Hoose and many others would like to manage their own affaires without being lambed to others. If the idea is to delegate services, maintain their unique characters  and salsify the needs of the local community, you can't force those who are in one region to others.

 

Those of us who in the west have sensitized with the system of quarreling, yet functioning government, but not everyone is capable of copying that system. In the cities, despite the mayor and councils, most major decisions are pushed by the business community. Singapore, China and many central Asian countries had proven that there is no such thing as one system ( Western) for all .

Here in Canada with proven age old federal system, most of the important aspects of the citizen revolves around the national government. Our pensions are managed by the national government, so is our employment insurance if lost jobs, health care transfers to provinces and so on.

 

Rather than consider these small collections of Somali districts as major federal state, they could be regions under the unitary governments. Regardless of which system there has to be an overriding power at the national level. At current system, regional presidents are almost like kings, especially the way they spend the public money with zero accountability. 

At the end it would be probably Puntland and few others pushing the federal system. Furthermore, any system could only be implemented with public referendum. I would have asked the Reer Bari if they want to join Puntland or be their own region, the same goes for Hiiraan, Lower Shabbelle, Hiiraan, Awdal and Gedo.

 

 

[maakhiri1]

On 9/9/2023 at 4:10 AM, Arafaat said:

SSC controls properly more land than Jubbaland, Galmudug, Hir-Shabelle, and should get whatever those States are getting. 

On the second point, as long as a conflicts have not been settled through a formal settlement marking the end of the underlying  issue of contention, it will keep lingering on passively, and thus distrust and mistrust will remain even if it’s decades after the active fighting, and will undermines any discussion on commons and governance. This is not just some western concept, it’s also how our ancestors usefull to resolve things under the tree. 

 

very valid point, very complex to resolve, i agree many unresolved issues

[Illyria]

12 hours ago, galbeedi said:

There are universal things people across the world desire to have  in their countries, like freedom, peace and stability, better health care, good education for their kids and so on. I thought the main reason for  the delegation of power to the local level was to provide the services people need in their counties, towns and regions.. There are unitary states that have all the necessary requirements for local self governments and the delegation of power..

 

I do believe that  those Somalis who are advocating the federals system of government are taking their reference point from military government of Somalia where power was not only centralized, but also services where located in the capital region,  be higher education, passport services and even employment opportunities. This model by itself was unique to Somalia and few African nations where resource is based on one major location due to the size of the population and the character of the ruling group. In many former Soviet countries where power was centralized,  services were provided  through the local party apparatus. They had infrastructure, higher education institutions, vibrant cities, airports and so on.

 

Look at China today, where the Chinese Communist party has lifted 600 million people out poverty through market economy, yet power is centralized through few men from  the communist politipuro who has less than 30 people in a nation of 1.3 billion people. Both India and Chinese state were established in late forties, yet the Chinese have surpassed India in most of the important human development metrics.

So, I ask those who are advocating for vthe federal system, is your intension is to copy what you see  in USA, Canada and few other countries, or you have a federal model that fits uniquely for  the 15 million Somalis concentrated in few regions of the country while the rest of the country  is empty vast land. Nations like Canada whose  vastness of the country-- being the second largest in the world --which is almost like a continent, requires to be governed like a federal state. The same could be said USA, India or Nigeria with later having very diverse population.

 

Illyria is talking about the efficiency of the free market based  businesses in Boosaaso, Borama and Hargeisa where uninterrupted electric or water services are much better than state run places. I will add that the Somali telecom service is much better than the state Ethiopian telecom where five star hotels provide very weak WIFI services or bad connectivity with the outside world. I think all that could be done in a system unitary, or federal system.

The main issue here when you build a system you have to either create a unique system that fits your needs, character and nation or you copy others. No one can deny that the Somali federal system is copied from Ethiopia in so many ways including the names of leaders as presidents, the security apparatus of having paramilitary force (The Liyu police) and the rivalry that pits ethnic groups (Clans) in a way that encourages a system that justifies the end. There are no other nations in the world where you have  six or seven presidents with both the federal and regional leaders are called presidents. We have a rich Somali language to find a name suitable to the these governors.

 

Another issue Illyria raised is the cost of doing services. IN the current system cities and towns do not exist at all. They don't have  established and law based formula of collecting taxes and allocating services. Furthermore, after you leave the city limit, there are no governments, services or even a leadership to serve the rural people. They have fake " Gudoomiyaha Gobolka Nugaal, Bari,and Mudug  and so on with zero taxing ability.. Just like Somaliland which called it self a country, Puntalnd has regional governors with single office of Gudoomiye, Police chief and few other offices that doesn't concern themselves what is beyond the regional office. Gudoomiyaha gobolka Awdal,  just like the one in Bari,  has one small office and the ear of the the so called president, nothing more.

Regional leaders in Puntland and other federal states require large parliament with minimum of 100 people, two or three dozen ministeries, their budgets, security details and so on.

 

Galmudug has a district in Gallkacayo, Dhuusamareeb town  and five  minor districts with a population of less than a million people,  why would they need a federal bureaucracy to manage these small counties. Even in Puntland, if you remove the Bari region and its bustling port of Boosaaso, what you got is Garoowe, Gaalkacayo and few small towns.. Furthermore, everyone isn't Puntland where you have basically one single major clan and their associates. Hiiraan, Awdal, Gedo, Shabeelahsa Hoose and many others would like to manage their own affaires without being lambed to others. If the idea is to delegate services, maintain their unique characters  and salsify the needs of the local community, you can't force those who are in one region to others.

 

Those of us who in the west have sensitized with the system of quarreling, yet functioning government, but not everyone is capable of copying that system. In the cities, despite the mayor and councils, most major decisions are pushed by the business community. Singapore, China and many central Asian countries had proven that there is no such thing as one system ( Western) for all .

Here in Canada with proven age old federal system, most of the important aspects of the citizen revolves around the national government. Our pensions are managed by the national government, so is our employment insurance if lost jobs, health care transfers to provinces and so on.

 

Rather than consider these small collections of Somali districts as major federal state, they could be regions under the unitary governments. Regardless of which system there has to be an overriding power at the national level. At current system, regional presidents are almost like kings, especially the way they spend the public money with zero accountability. 

At the end it would be probably Puntland and few others pushing the federal system. Furthermore, any system could only be implemented with public referendum. I would have asked the Reer Bari if they want to join Puntland or be their own region, the same goes for Hiiraan, Lower Shabbelle, Hiiraan, Awdal and Gedo.

Thank you. You do raise some valid points, some wild ones, and I shall come back after I re-read. By the way, China's socialist system works slightly differently from meets the less technical eye: 8 political parts, with elected prefecture members, make up the CCP.

[Arafaat]

On the issue of national sovereignty, we have to ask our selves do we want sovereignty to be shared by the region and the centre?

And I am no legal expert, but understand that sovereignty is defined as the supreme or dominant power of authority and whose characteristics can be described by permanence, exclusiveness, all-comprehensiveness, inalienability, indivisibility, and absoluteness, and has as different sub-types, titular(in name only), internal(obedience from all that are within), external(recognition on the part of states), and legal (highest legal power).

Does it make sense from a practical perspective and also a principle perspective, if it makes sense for sovereignty to be shared by federal states and central government, and what would it mean for ultimate power to be shared by politicians from the centre and states. If this would make sense, and why one would want that? 

My personal thinking is that it would not lead to better balanced governance or checked power, but might lead to further muddied political landscape. And perhaps the ultimate de facto sovereignty of power lies with the traditional leaders, that have already a quite an informal and positive power over their constituencies but who are not given any formal role in the structure state, while on the hand ‘clan’ finds itself a role in the other bodies of the state through the 4.5 Parliament and clan based federal states, while clan shouldn’t belong there. 

So why not establish a House of traditional elders, that shares the titular, internal and legal sovereignty with the central state executive, and that way balances positively and formally the supreme authority, and has a formal role in peace making and reconciliation, and that way diffuses the pressure for clan representation in Parliament and the need to form clan based states. Let the formal traditional leaders be the formal clan representatives and share/balance sovereignty. And this House of Elders would have a formal role in matters of clans, and play a role in the peace and reconciliation between communities and channeling the need for clan representation. 

The African countries that have given a formal role in the state to traditional elders are some of the most stable, peaceful and cohesive developed countries. Botswana comes to mind as a very positive example, and others like Uganda, South-Africa, with the recently deceased King Butulesi and whose traditional leaders play formal and positive role in the state. In everything is clan and clan finds its way in everything deconstructing and making basic governance and service delivery challenging, why not give clan a formal role, through its formal leaders and give a seat and formal job description, and that way one can deterge it from the other bodies of the state. So that a Minister, MP, Regional State or local authority can focus on their real roles without feeling the need or necessity to represent the ‘clan’, as its channeled through the House of traditional elders. 

Lastly, we have recently seen how permanence, important and comprehensive the role of traditional leaders in solving the most complex societal conflicts and disputes, which has been nearly impossible for politicians to play that role and solve those issues. Look at the recent important role Garaads have played in uniting the SSC folks, the Suldaans from Somaliland have diffused the tension and simmering political deadlock, the Isims and Boqor in Puntland  prevented an almost internal civil war.  If indeed their role, authority and power is that strong over people, and despite decades of undermining their role and status in the formal affairs state, their status is permanent, why not make them a formal part of the structures and formalise their collective roles, responsibilities and mandates in membership of a collective decision making  body or House?