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Farmajo Addresses the nation

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1 hour ago, Apophis said:

I wonder, what do you think of Roble as a neutral third party candidate. 

Perhaps Galbedi can also weigh in. 
 

I would support Roble if he stands (perhaps he will make Farmajo as his PM, Putin style, which will be interesting).

I am for it if he is able to deliver for the Somali people. The next president needs to do four things in order to spare the people this headache. Complete the constitution, set up the constitutional court, free the south from Al-Shabab, and seek budgetary independence. 

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4 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

I am for it if he is able to deliver for the Somali people. The next president needs to do four things in order to spare the people this headache. Complete the constitution, set up the constitutional court, free the south from Al-Shabab, and seek budgetary independence. 

It isn’t rocket science, you know.  
 

It is really as easy as that: Complete the constitution, with the support of all Stakeholders; build an independent constitutional court to keep all Stakeholders accountable; and then select competent  legislators that will enact resource and revenue sharing laws that are palatable to all stakeholders.

Finally, we Somalis can hopefully elect a competent technocrat for President, who will ensure the laws of aforementioned representative legislature get implemented effectively and efficiently. It’s not rocket science! 

 

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2 hours ago, Tillamook said:

Complete the constitution,

That is the most important task of all. Why they  keep avoiding.

 

5 hours ago, Apophis said:

wonder, what do you think of Roble as a neutral third party candidate. 

It is possible. Since the main candidates look like a damaged good among the eyes of the public. THere is also undercurrent agreement among non HAG members  of the parliament to object an Unaka president. In 2106, it was anybody but Unaka. People were tried about these guys occupying the two top jobs.

If Rooble want to be a serious candidate he needs time (minimum six months) and resources. HG could smell power through this calm and soft speaking guy and might even raise money from the Mogadishu business community.

Yet, everyone I talked to says, local Somali money couldn't compete with the unlimited bags of money coming from the gulf. Furthermore, the gulf boys sometimes might ride two different horses to the finish line or they could even change horses in the middle of the race. The same Qataris who brought Hassan Sheikh in 2012 , paid for Farmaajo four years later.

Who knows? these gulf boys could be  serving higher powers above their paygrade and every  four years we get a new man ridding a white horse. Besides, Somalis like new things, and Rooble could be an alternative to both Farmaajo and Hassan Sheikh. 

One more point. C/laahi Dani has a direct like to the UAE and he might even declare his intensions.

 

 

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14 hours ago, galbeedi said:

That is the most important task of all. Why they  keep avoiding.

 

It is possible. Since the main candidates look like a damaged good among the eyes of the public. THere is also undercurrent agreement among non HAG members  of the parliament to object an Unaka president. In 2106, it was anybody but Unaka. People were tried about these guys occupying the two top jobs.

If Rooble want to be a serious candidate he needs time (minimum six months) and resources. HG could smell power through this calm and soft speaking guy and might even raise money from the Mogadishu business community.

Yet, everyone I talked to says, local Somali money couldn't compete with the unlimited bags of money coming from the gulf. Furthermore, the gulf boys sometimes might ride two different horses to the finish line or they could even change horses in the middle of the race. The same Qataris who brought Hassan Sheikh in 2012 , paid for Farmaajo four years later.

Who knows? these gulf boys could be  serving higher powers above their paygrade and every  four years we get a new man ridding a white horse. Besides, Somalis like new things, and Rooble could be an alternative to both Farmaajo and Hassan Sheikh. 

One more point. C/laahi Dani has a direct like to the UAE and he might even declare his intensions.

 

 

If you know the lay of the land like you state above, then why do you pollute SOL with your support for nonstarters like Usless Farmaajo in the first place?

Politics is all about a delicate balance between diplomatic finesse, compromise and horse trading which should be primarily geared towards achieving tangible benefits for the nation and its people as whole. Only then, can one pursue personal interests of power and grandeur, afterwards.

 

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22 hours ago, Tillamook said:

then why do you pollute SOL with your support for nonstarters like Usless Farmaajo in the first place?

We all wanted Farmaajo to succeed for the national interest.

Also,  supporting farmaajo was not only natural,  it was an  easy choice. His administration was doing reasonable job especially for the last years in terms of the functioning of government bureaucracy, security, financial management and some success in foreign policy , except the Kenyan dispute which created some problems for Somalia.

In fact, if the race for president remains a contest between the current crop and Farmaajo it will be easy again to support him for the high office. Both Khayre and Hassan Sheikh are damaged goods. Shariif Ahmed still has some credibility.

Hassan Sheikh could have appealed for army to stay out of politics without calling his clans men to abandon the force. He openly called only the HAG members to refuse command. 

Odowa Igaarkeygiiyow ninka la shir yimid yaa dooranaya. A former president appealing to his clan has lost legitimacy. Bahasha waxoogaa waa loo cimaamada.

Farmaajo is responsible for allowing things to reach at  this level. His biggest mistake was trying to remake the regional leaders  in his own image. You don't need to select or waste resources to help the election of some regional leader for your future plans. Just find common ground and work the whom ever people elect in their regions.

Anyway, It has been 8 months of useless debate. We are ready for elections.

 

 

 

 

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On 4/30/2021 at 5:36 AM, galbeedi said:

That is the most important task of all. Why they  keep avoiding.

 

It is possible. Since the main candidates look like a damaged good among the eyes of the public. THere is also undercurrent agreement among non HAG members  of the parliament to object an Unaka president. In 2106, it was anybody but Unaka. People were tried about these guys occupying the two top jobs.

If Rooble want to be a serious candidate he needs time (minimum six months) and resources. HG could smell power through this calm and soft speaking guy and might even raise money from the Mogadishu business community.

Yet, everyone I talked to says, local Somali money couldn't compete with the unlimited bags of money coming from the gulf. Furthermore, the gulf boys sometimes might ride two different horses to the finish line or they could even change horses in the middle of the race. The same Qataris who brought Hassan Sheikh in 2012 , paid for Farmaajo four years later.

Who knows? these gulf boys could be  serving higher powers above their paygrade and every  four years we get a new man ridding a white horse. Besides, Somalis like new things, and Rooble could be an alternative to both Farmaajo and Hassan Sheikh. 

One more point. C/laahi Dani has a direct like to the UAE and he might even declare his intensions.

 

 

These arabs have only ever destroyed us. People can say whatever they want about the Westerners at halane but they do actual humanitarian stuff as opposed to these gulf arabs who only fund our politicians during elections etc.

I believe all foreigners, including Turkey, and their armies should leave asap. We don’t need them.

Just a comment on the Turks and their training of the forces: many see this as a good thing but not me.

The infantry, the actual foot soldiers, should only ever be trained by Somali NCOs, who in turn a trained by Somali officers. This was how the old Somali army was function, how any army functions. 
 

It was the officers, Majors and above, who were trained abroad not the average soldier. This is how you create an army, with a proper chain of command, and also independent from politics.
 

But if you allow your basic infantryman to be trained by a foreign NCO, how is he supposed to follow the chain of command of officers who had no part in his training? He will not.

This is why they can disintegrate so quickly. 

Plus, a Somali officer has the nuances and understanding of the lay of the land and the enemy his soldier will fight and can train them accordingly, something no foreigner can do.

This is what I believe.

 

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21 hours ago, Apophis said:

These arabs have only ever destroyed us. People can say whatever they want about the Westerners at halane but they do actual humanitarian stuff as opposed to these gulf arabs who only fund our politicians during elections etc.

The Arabs are nothing but trouble, especially the gulf tribes with petrol-dollar who have zero civilization to offer. Even in the seventies and eighties, countries like Iraq built the Somali oil refinery and other agricultural programs. The gulf boys gave us bags of cash that only corrupted the system.

We like to criticize the west because we expect them to do better. They have welcomed tens of thousands of our people and we have a deep connection with them. The problem is their model is old and outdated. Furthermore, you can't develop your nations if others are deciding what is best for your progress. I do not have time to debate gender issue and other pet projects of the west. I need electric grids, roads and ports and I will seek where ever I could find that help.

In terms of Turkey , they never interfered with the internal issues of the country. They have even transferred the base last year to avoid any conflict of interest. Even the American ambassador and other western analysts have said the Turkey contribution is not connected any political group or leader. It is a national project to lift Somalia. The western ambassadors are living at the airport built by Turkey and the only revenue the government getting at the moment is are coming from the ports and airports both built and renovated by Turkey.

The Marshal plan provided by American to western Europe after  the second world war had lifted those nations from the devastation and poverty. The Americans helped them build water plants, electric grids, roads, bridges, ports, airports and local industries. Within a decade these nations have recovered. Americans do not build things anymore. Other than the war and weapons industry , they do not offer Africa much. We expect Turkey to help us in modern agriculture and infrastructure. For us they the Americans of the fifties and sixties.

We Somalis are segregated in our own regions and towns because of zero access to travel and intermingle. A great transportation access would make the country much smaller and facilitate interactions which might reduce the tribal attitude ingrained among us.

 

In terms of Somali military training, our  indigenous system has collapsed long ago. The Russian trained officers had retired and the American tradition of professional army can not be implemented. When I went to Halane in the eighties for the three months training, we could not even find a pant or shirt that could fit us. We just went inside a warehouse and find a pair that might fit you, and the training was nothing but marching and sitting in congregation. 

The Turkish military culture has a great tradition. They have a history of being tough and patriotic. Furthermore, as a Muslim nation we want to  install our soldiers for not only serving to protect the country , but also for our faith and freedom. Here in north America, especially, the USA, soldiers fight for God and country. Just like the Turks, those who die to defend the nations will be martyrs (Shuhada u dhimatay dalka iyo diinta).

 

 

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2 hours ago, galbeedi said:

The Arabs are nothing but trouble, especially the gulf tribes with petrol-dollar who have zero civilization to offer. Even in the seventies and eighties, countries like Iraq built the Somali oil refinery and other agricultural programs. The gulf boys gave us bags of cash that only corrupted the system.

We like to criticize the west because we expect them to do better. They have welcomed tens of thousands of our people and we have a deep connection with them. The problem is their model is old and outdated. Furthermore, you can't develop your nations if others are deciding what is best for your progress. I do not have time to debate gender issue and other pet projects of the west. I need electric grids, roads and ports and I will seek where ever I could find that help.

In terms of Turkey , they never interfered with the internal issues of the country. They have even transferred the base last year to avoid any conflict of interest. Even the American ambassador and other western analysts have said the Turkey contribution is not connected any political group or leader. It is a national project to lift Somalia. The western ambassadors are living at the airport built by Turkey and the only revenue the government getting at the moment is are coming from the ports and airports both built and renovated by Turkey.

The Marshal plan provided by American to western Europe after  the second world war had lifted those nations from the devastation and poverty. The Americans helped them build water plants, electric grids, roads, bridges, ports, airports and local industries. Within a decade these nations have recovered. Americans do not build things anymore. Other than the war and weapons industry , they do not offer Africa much. We expect Turkey to help us in modern agriculture and infrastructure. For us they the Americans of the fifties and sixties.

We Somalis are segregated in our own regions and towns because of zero access to travel and intermingle. A great transportation access would make the country much smaller and facilitate interactions which might reduce the tribal attitude ingrained among us.

 

In terms of Somali military training, our  indigenous system has collapsed long ago. The Russian trained officers had retired and the American tradition of professional army can not be implemented. When I went to Halane in the eighties for the three months training, we could not even find a pant or shirt that could fit us. We just went inside a warehouse and find a pair that might fit you, and the training was nothing but marching and sitting in congregation. 

The Turkish military culture has a great tradition. They have a history of being tough and patriotic. Furthermore, as a Muslim nation we want to  install our soldiers for not only serving to protect the country , but also for our faith and freedom. Here in north America, especially, the USA, soldiers fight for God and country. Just like the Turks, those who die to defend the nations will be martyrs (Shuhada u dhimatay dalka iyo diinta).

 

 

I agree with what you wrote but I want to add on Turkey.

Obviously they have strategic interests in Somalia and whether our interest allign with theirs time will tell but I still do not believe they should train thes basic infantry.

They should train only officers, but its not real their fault because we have leaders with no understanding of how to build any institutions. 
 

You build an army from the top down not the other way round. Imagine training a full infantry battalion but they are being commanded by laba dagaxles who are the same age as them. That battalion will not function and neither will it have the discipline needed to form as part of a functioning army.

The problem with the Somali army is a total lack of well trained general staff. The Somali of the late 80s might have been useless but the one of the 60s and 70s had well trained general staff who in turn had well trained infantry and other battalions.

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1 hour ago, Apophis said:

full infantry battalion but they are being commanded by laba dagaxles who are the same age as them

That is an issue. We have 30 years old generals which is impossible in the real world. Certain ranks should come with age and experience. It is real disgrace to see these 28 and 30 years boys with no advanced knowledge and experience called general Saadiq John, or Qoryalle or what even the hell their name is.

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Apophis   
19 hours ago, galbeedi said:

That is an issue. We have 30 years old generals which is impossible in the real world. Certain ranks should come with age and experience. It is real disgrace to see these 28 and 30 years boys with no advanced knowledge and experience called general Saadiq John, or Qoryalle or what even the hell their name is.

Hence why they can defect here and there. There is no command structure or loyalty. 
 

Perhaps it is on purpose, meaning there is no credible military to do afgambi in the future?

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