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Oodweyne   

Yep, money (or desire for it) makes you go around the world whilst you are in sheer nakedness, if that is the requirement. And my old buddy Mr Keyse Gurey, was far more "prone" to be susceptible to be such men who lack of the "hardy spine" to hold on to his alleged political principle.

He seems to have joined-in with the likes of Mr Mahamed O Arte Ghalib, Mr Mahdi Gulled, who were known politicians in Somaliland previously, but are now waffling endlessly about some such malarkey and cheap argument call "Somali unity" in Mogadishu. Particularly when they no longer could win it any high political position in the "cut-throat-political-competition" within Somaliland's political landscape.

And he is no more than that given that he seemed to have come across as that of a "surplus to the requirement" in so far the current Biixi's government was concern (when they first came to power back in 2017), and since he was a deputy minister in the then outgoing Silanyo's Government back then. Which meant that he was relieved from his duty and since he didn't had any other "lucrative gig" to keep him in employment in Hargeisa, he decided to basically "legged" it to Mogadishu and to the Villa Somalia's clique in particular, who will give money to any "political loser" from Somaliland, who, of course, couldn't win it within Somaliland's politics, and so long as they say that we still believe the "unity" or some such trite argument from out there in Mogadishu.

This means all those former politicians and folks who couldn't hacked it in Somaliland, politically, seems to have realized that there is "good and lucrative financial scam" that is going on in Mogadishu, whereby, they simply run there and then make money in there in-terms of talking with "cheap lullabies" about some such thing call "Somali unity" for the ears of the gullible folks of Somalia. Who actually think that the fate of politics of Somaliland is actually "contingent" or is "dependent" on the say of "some-here-today-gone-tomorrow-politicians" from Somaliland, like this waffling fellow in this video. 

However, I expect him to return eventually to Somaliland in one day (just like Mr Buubaa before him did, just like Mr Ali Galaydh did it, just like Mr Ahmed I Samater did it, just like Mr M. Oomaar did it before him as well). Particularly when he no longer could get any kind of "decent dosh" or "cheap dollars" from the Wanlaweyn's folks in Mogadishu. If not, then he was never really anyway that important to Somaliland's political fate, just like all those who are there already. 

You see, unlike those who exist on this earth for the passing "political opportunism" of the day, like this Keyse Gurey guy, or your average "lip-smacking-looter" in Mogadishu, who in turn is thinking as to where his next meal of "public thievery" will come from, Somalilanders (at least the majority of them in the excess of 90% and above) are folks who abide in a deep and in a dye-in-the-wool sort of way with their political principle of Somaliland, come shine or rain.

Hence, the fact that says that a former junior minister at the Somaliland's foreign ministry had turned into the usual "political turncoat" and therefore he had legged it to Mogadishu will only bring a wry smile to their collective faces. Whilst on the other hand, they be shaking their heads at the sight of finally knowing of how cheap and gullible he was all along, which was unbeknownst to them previously, indeed.

So in that sense such news may be a sensational outtake to those who do not know the real hardcore ideology of the average Somalilander. But to us who know this thing it's simply a way of clearing the "political detritus" and all of those who were "cheap opportunists" off from our land. We had people like this before, remember. And we know precisely as to where their eventual political "fate" will end up with it.

And it's "sordid fate" of being look down on, contemptuously, when they eventually returned home to Somaliland (with their political tails between their legs), at best of times. Or at worse of times, their miserable existence will be nothing but a down right exile existence from their land, forever, like many who will remain in Mogadishu in perpetuity. All in all, he makes no blind bit of difference to Somaliland and to her decision or to her political future other than basically revealing himself as to how cheap he was all along.

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cadnaan1   
44 minutes ago, Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar said:

Riyadii waa laga soo baraarugay, only sewage-dwelling rats naf lacaari ah la baqtinooyo. Hence:

 

Wasiirka sir badan ayuu kashifay oo wuxuu yiri xataa madaxweynayaasha iyo siyaasiyiinta wey ogyihii inaysan aqoonsi soo socon laakiin everyone is making their dollars from cashuurta masaakinta oo ay uga badalayaan been hawaas iyo fairy tale.

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Oodweyne   

Lool. What a farce. A man who is desperately cooking his bread from Villa Somalia's financial largess and therefore would say anything for his dollar, has decided to come out with endless lies about everything to do with Somaliland, since that is what his "gullible hearers" will like to be told so, and they believe him? Of course, they did, like the manner our delightful looter in here of SOL seems to be indicating it. 

Man, it seems to me that my old buddy in London, Mr Keyse Gurey, is really "earning his cheap money" in the easiest way possible, or really the most imaginable way you could think of. Keep at it, I say, mate.

And, of course, in the final analysis, we will see who will be laughing in here. Particularly when we will see this precise fellow (in which some in here are parading around his argument as if it's a Mosses's revealed tablet sort of thing) asking for a "presidential pardon" from Somaliland's government and from her duly elected president, in a year or two time at the most. Just to be allowed to returned back to Hargeisa and into Somaliland.

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gooni   

Soo jiidashada waxaa keenaya aragtidayda.

Muqdisho waxaa jooga masuuliyiin kasoo jeeda waqooyiga oo runtii shaqo wanaagsan oo soomaalidoo dhan jeclaatay dadkooda iyo dalkooda u qabtay.

Nin kasta iyo gabar kasta oo snm beenteeda ku daalay, dadkooda soomaaliyeed waxay awoodaan ha u qabteen waa waajib dusha u saaran ilaa yomu-diin.

Hadii aad daciifto sida oodweyne maalaa-yacni haku rafan, ninkaas fadhiga uga istaagay waa ina adeerkiis 30 sano ictiraaf raadinayay oo waliba madax ahaa.

Soo dhawaada walaalayaal waa wax lagu farxo qof midnimo jeclaaday.

Principle??
Qodobka koowaad oo gun-dhigga u ah mabda' waa inaadan lahayn dan shakhsi ah

Hadii aad waydo jago kuu qalanta beeshii haku noqon ama sidii professor samatar xaduudka tuko raq adhi ha gayn waa munaafaqad foolxun (ilaahay sharafta nagama qaado) soomaali ka bilaabo kuna dhamaad.

1 minute ago, MoheyedinIssa said:

Horta USC iyo RRA maxaa SNM kaladhaxeeya? 

Waxaa ka dhaxeeya dalka iyo soomaalinimo waa hadaan si sax ah u fahmay su'aashaada.
 

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Oodweyne   
3 hours ago, gooni said:

Hadii aad daciifto sida oodweyne maalaa-yacni haku rafan, ninkaas fadhiga uga istaagay waa ina adeerkiis 30 sano ictiraaf raadinayay oo waliba madax ahaa.

Gooni,

Wakhti kugu lumin maayo, maadaama aad tahay kaan ogaa ee Ina-Gummeednimo iyo fuleynimo isku darsantay. Hase-Ahaatee, waxaa "daciif" ah, saaxiib, aan kuu sheegaa, ninka maanta loo taliyo ee Xamar oo caasimadiisi ah iyo Gedo oo gobolkiis ah, loogu taliyo.

Waxa kale oo "daciif" bahdilan ah ninka maanta run uga qaadanaya "hadalka jilicsan" ee af-gobaadsiga ah ee nin shaqadii uu hargeysa ka hayey ka dhamaatey, oo markii ay cid wax u dhiiban weyday, Xamar u soo shiraaqdey oo dabadeedna yidhi "Midnimo" ayaan aaminsanahay oo aan u xiiqayaa.

Isweydii, Ina-Gummeedow, maxaa loo waayey mid kursiga dowladeed ku fadhiya oo Hargeysa xil kahaya oo masuul ah oo dabadeedna iskaga taga oo yidhaahda Somaliland waan ka baxay, oo xilkii aan u hayey ummadda iyo dowladda Somaliland-ba waan isaga tagey? Oo manta laga bilaabo, iyo wixii ka dambeeya, siyaasad ahaan, "Midnimo", ayaan aaminsanahay oo aan doorbidey?

Maxa loo arkaa oo qudha mid marka ay shaqada iyo xilka uu hayaa ay ka dhamaato oo uu kursiga ka kaco oo cidi wax u dhiiban weydo, markaas dabadeed uu noqdaa mid kasoo carara Hargeysa sida kuwa Xamar jooga, oo dabadeedna ku "hadaaqa" waxa aan aaminsanahay "Midnimo" iyo wax noocaas oo kale ah.

Taas oo ah dhaqanka Siyaasadeed ee looga bartey kuwa jooga Xamar ee Somaliland kasoo cararey. Gaar ahaan ka bilow, Mahdi guuleed, Ina Carte, ilaa mid kasta oo wasiir ka ah meeshaas. Marka laga reebo Ina Beyleh oo isagu toos u tagey Xamar oo aan Hargeysa soo marin. 

Hacooyow, raggan aad faanineysaa, midkoodna ma'aha rag wax laweydiiyo xagayaga. Ee waa rag shaqo-tag Xamar u jooga.

Waxaana daliil u ah doodeydan aan ku leeyahay mid kasta oo ragaas ah marka ay shaqadu ka dhamaato oo kurisiga "xileed" ee uu ku fadhiyey ee Xamar yaaley laga kiciyo oo dowladii uu katirsanaa ay meesha ka baxdo dhamaantood Hargeysa ayey dib ugu soo cararaan, oo Somaliland ayey kusoo noqdaan. Iyaga oo waliba gacanta ku wada wixii ay halkaas iyo Soomaaliya ay kaso fara-qabsadeen ee xoola ahaa, isla markaana "Cafis-Madaxweyne" kasoo codsanaya Somaliland iyo ummadeeda. 

Waakaas "daciifka" damiirka daran ee rumeysta tuugo libiqsaneysa oo indho-cadeyneysa oo si wadar ah ugu soo shaqo-tagtey "canshuurta" masaakiinta Muqdishu joogta laga qaado, maadaama aad tahay nin rumeysanaya hadalkoodaas raqiiska ah ee ay ku af-gobaadsanayaan si ay roodhidooda u bisleeyaan. 

Intaas ma garatey, saaxiibkeygii Ina-Gummeedka ahaayow?

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People like this have special name in Europe. They belong to some extinct or semi extinct tribe or language. They can change between very big/important principle/issues easily. To these kind of people, the time the issue would have been principle is passed.

Its good to study and research one's background, if they make life changing matters of principle look and feel easy.

The best part at least is these kind of folks do not join Al Shabab, at least openly and directly as they do among political groupings.

Belgium suffers a lot of these kind of politicians.

So does the Baltics and Poles/Ukrainians.

There are 2 Americans, one Lithuanian, one Georgian in the Uknrainian government.

In the past government Sackashivili the ex president of Georgia, another country was Governor of Odessa region in another country. Only excuse, he did his schooling in Soviet Ukraine.

 

 

 

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Oodweyne   
19 hours ago, Old_Observer said:

In the past government Sackashivili the ex president of Georgia, another country was Governor of Odessa region in another country. Only excuse, he did his schooling in Soviet Ukraine.

Old_Observer,

Lool, we have folks like that in Somaliland. We have a former Prime-Minister of Somalia, call Ali Galeydh, he changed political shirt two times so far. Which means he was originally with Somaliland, which was first during the years between 1991 to 1993. And then from 1993 till 2012 he was for Somalia, where he was a Prime-Minister of the Arta's government and MP of the parliament of Somalia beween 2012 till 2016. And then from 2016 onward he was for Somaliland once again.

We have another one, he is call Prof Buubaa, he was first in the SNM during the 1980s. And he became the first finance minister of Somaliland when she declared her independence in 1991. And there he was a minister of the first government of Somaliland from 1991 till 1993. And after 1993 till 2014 he was with Somalia, where he became MP as well as its foreign minister in mid-2000s when Col Yey was in charge of the TFG. And now he is in Hargeisa as an opposition politician.

There is another one, he passed away now, his name was Dr A. Jama Sifir. He was first for Somaliland's independence in 1991. And then he became a politician for Somalia where he was their foreign minister during the TFG years. And then he decided to end his career as Somaliland's politician, once again, which is what he was when he died few years ago in Somaliland.

Moreover, there is another famous one, his name is Mr M. Oomaar (with even more famous brother as well call Mr Raage Oomaar). And this one was from 1991 onward till early 2000 for Somaliland. And then he changed shirt on us and became a politician for Somalia. And off he went to Mogadishu, whereby they even made him Foreign minister there. And after few years and when his gig was over and the goverment he was minister left office, he decided to returned back to Hargeisa with his tail between his legs. Now he is living there in Hargeisa quitely as a businessman, minding his own business. And in fact he basically gave up altogether all political farcical shenanigan of the kind he used to be involved in previously.  

And oh before I forget there was another one who was even deputy PM for Somalia and before that gig he was for Somaliland, of course. And after he finished his term in office in Mogadishu as her Deputy PM in 2016, he turned and legged back to Hargeisa and asked for a "political pardon" and forgiveness from Somaliland's government. Hence, he now lives there quitely (like many before him), as a businessman in Somaliland. Keeping his head down lest others notice him there. Given that most people will look down on him with sheer and with undisguised contempt solely for his act of lack of principle and his previous conduct of "turncoat politics".

And of course, the most famous (or infamoud one, depending on your view of things) was one who was a dear uncle of mine, who was the first president of Somaliland as well as the last chairman of the then SNM, namely Mr A. Tuur, who also travelled on this ignomomious road of "turncoat politics". Which was what he did when he gave up the ghost of any kind of a "political honor" and decided to join in 1994 with Somalia's political faction and become, lamentably, Aideed's junior deputy president, when in fact he was a president in Somaliland last time around. And that was a very painful sight to behold, indeed, for many of us in Somaliland. 

So we know these kind of acts and these sort of politicians. It just that it's pity that some folks in SOL and in Somalia in general, actually keep on believing a word said by folks like these. Given that they are folks who are basically out to earn a "top dollar or two" from a form of a "political whoring" of the kind that is the notion of changing one's political shirts (from Somaliland to Somalia and back again), if the "going price" is about right  - in their eyes - at that given moment. 

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Oodweyne,

These are Bloomberg without money or name brand.

Is quite coomon in countries with not long history in one shape.

Example: Hungarian Empire joined with Austria to make Austro-Hungarian Empire. After generation or so that was gone and look now: Hungarians in Hungary, proud of Turkic nomadic heritage even though is long long time ago. Self assured culture and country of Hungary. Friends to EU/NATO and Russia and Turkish on its own terms.

Hungarians in Serbia have their own political party and except with Kosovo they were changing sides, now seem to be solid with Serbs.

Hungarians in Ukraine were OK when Ukraine was under control of Russian Ethnic, but now Ukraine is under Ukraine/Polish Ethnic with Jewish nationality alliance. Hungarians have geographic separation from Russian Ethnic which they are always natutral allies by choice otherwise they have different origins, language and religion.

You have politicians in that part of the world between Slovaks, Czecks, Hungarians, Poles, Ukrainians....are available all the way from Germany to Bulkans who ever can pay or position for corruption (means pay).

Eritreans (Xabeshi part not Others) were like that from Mugadishu to Khartoum through Addis Ababa and even Kenya.

Served as soldiers from Mugadishu to Tripoli. Served as government officials and commanders for all 3 regimes in Ethiopia.

 

 

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Oodweyne   

^^^^

Old_Observer,

I agree it's common thing. However, the point I was belabouring in here was the fact that no one ever asked these politicians when they arrived in Mogadishu whether they can actually say and show who they represent.

After all, a man who can't show you his constituency (in numbers) or can't take you there physically, is as useless politically as anything can be. And what is worse is that they never learned this simple lesson. Since they could see those who used to swear on "Midnimo" or on "Somali unity" when they were in office in Mogadishu are now back in Hargeisa when the political gig they have had it in Mogadishu ended. And they are all of a sudden saying we are for Independence of Somaliland, all over again. Not that we believe a word they say in the first place.

Hence, it just that the folks in Somalia are really so desperate for any politician to come to them from Somaliland that they don’t even ask as to how did the last lot who came to us from there turned out to be. Because if they were to ask that question, they will know that those who came to them few years ago are now back in Hargeisa, whilst singing different political song than the one they were telling them when they were with them in Mogadishu. 

You see they actually think that Somaliland's independence is about "political game" or it's about a "farcical con" intended to win more power in Mogadishu, which in turn was engineered by politicians in Somaliland. And from that "crude logic" they keep on waiting the day one politician will stand up in Somaliland and say: "I the son of this tribe, a man of this region, a fellow of this political conviction call Somaliland's independence, have finally ended Somaliland's quest of her independence, once and for all". And therefore, honey and bread and Somali brotherhood and political union (to boot) shall follow forth in the land Somali Nomads. Since I decree such thing to happen.

So, in that sense they keep on thinking this one politician or perhaps that other politicain, is one who will end Somaliland, once and for all. And when they finally realize that he was not the one they were hoping for, they think or proceed to think that the next one who will arrive in Mogadishu from Hargeisa will be the one who will be bringing along Somaliland on his bag (or preferably in his briefcase). And he will be the politician who finally brought Somaliland into some form of a "political union" with Somalia.

And then off they go, once again, to "search" of that powerful Somaliland's politician, at least in their mind, who they think will end Somaliland's quest of her independence, without never knowing or ascertaining as to whether that this idea call Somaliland's independence is really a "con-job" got up to by self-serving politicians? Or whether it's actually a "mass-based political ideology" embedded in the soul and in the deep marrow of the middling folks of the land in their millions of them, whereby, of course, no politician, no president and most certainly of all, no self-serving fellow, has the power to end it till the end of times, no matter whatever he tells them in turn?

It's difficult for Somalia or its political elites to get this simple idea. For Somalia is top-down political landscape of a place, where political elites make the rule and others basically suffer the consequences, be they good or be they ill. However, on the other hand in Somaliland, we truly are "Nomadic egalitarian society", where our destiny will never, ever, be contingent on the say so of one man or one group or the say so of one single politician. Unlike that of Somalia where Italian's fascistic tendencies have somehow been infected into them in-terms of "one-strong-man's-political-show" sort of national politics. Which is what you can easily observed in certain aspects of it (or at least a tinge of it) from the national politics of Somalia, if you look too closely.

Hence, you can say we in Somaliland rather are as a society that act on the basis of a "mass-based decision-making" when it comes to any deep matters of this kind. Which is why the political elites of Somalia keep on falling, again and again, for every "loser politician" from Somaliland, who in turn could not get any position from Somaliland. Whilst they are hoping, ever so desperately, that he finally will be the one they were waiting for. And he indeed will turn up to be the one who in turn will bring in Somaliland into some sort of an alleged "political union fold" with them in Somalia.  Let them keep on hoping, I say. For it's not, really, any skin off from our collective noses in Somaliland (as it were).

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gooni   

Isweydii, Ina-Gummeedow, maxaa loo waayey mid kursiga dowladeed ku fadhiya oo Hargeysa xil kahaya oo masuul ah oo dabadeedna iskaga taga oo yidhaahda Somaliland waan ka baxay, oo xilkii aan u hayey ummadda iyo dowladda Somaliland-ba waan isaga tagey? Oo manta laga bilaabo, iyo wixii ka dambeeya, siyaasad ahaan, "Midnimo"

Waa su'aal fiican ina gobeedow waxaad ogaataa, dadku maamulka yar waa u meel gaar ay biilka ku ilaaliyaan, curashada roobka waxaa kasoo hor mara naacaw udgoon waana mida keenaysa in lasoo roob-raaco.

 

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Oodweyne   

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Gooni,

Saaxiib, marka aan ku idhaahdo waxa aad tahay hacoo aqligii ka foorarsatey, ama waxa aad tahay "qowsaar askari" u ahaan jirey Afweyne, maantana "tagsi-wade" ah, oo darbiyadda ku dawakha marka uu kala garan-waayo shaaricii uu mari lahaa, tan aad halkan ku soo qortey ayaa u daliil ah. 

Taas-na waxa aan u leeyahay hadii kuwan Hargeysa kasoo cararaa ay"roob-doon" yihiin oo ay Xamar u arkaan meeshii ay usoo socdeen, Hargeysa-na ay aheyd meel ay biilka caruurtooda ay ka qaadanayeen inta "naqdu" ka soo baxeyso Xamar, ma isweydiisey sidii aan horey kuugu sheegay sababta ku soo celisa raggan Hargeysa marka ay shaqadda ama xilka ay ka hayaan Muqdishu uu ka dhamaado ama laga qaado xilkaas?

Su-aashaas fudud ma isku tijaabisey in aad jawaab waafiya aad u hesho?

Waan kuu tirin karaa inta siyaasi ah ee madax-waaweyn kasoo noqdey maamuladdii mac-malka ahaa ee Xamar loo sameeyey oo markii xilkii uu ka dhamaadey ama laga qaadey dib ugu soo cararey Hargeysa iyaga oo "cafis Madaxweyne" kusoo noqonaya. Halkaana, waxa aad ka aragtaa raggan aad leedahay "midnimo" ayey soo doonteen oo ay Xamar u yimaadaan in yihiin laba nooc oo qudha oo mid sadaxaad aanu ku jirin:

Kow - In aaney aheyn niman mabda siyaasadeed gabi ahaantiisba oo ay aaminsan yihiin aanu jirin. Oo ay yihiin oo qudha "calooshood-u-shaqeystayaal" marba meeshii ay wax luf-luf ah ka heli karaan u yaacaya.

Laba - In ay yihiin niman is og in aaney cidna matalin (Somaliland gudaheeda), sidaa-daraateed-na waxa ay ku hadaaqayaan marka ay Xamar joogaan aanu aheyn wax cid la qabtaa aaney Somaliland joogin. Ee ay tahay oo qudha "iidheh" iyo "xayeysiis" ay isleeyihiin roodhidiina kaga salaxda walaweynta lacagta siineysa siyaasi kasta oo Hargeysa kasoo saaqidey oo yidhaahda "Somali-weyn" ayaan aaminsanahay.

Waakaas nuxurka aad la rafaneysaa in aad fahanto inta uu le'eg yahay, saaxiib.

Intaas dheeradka ah ee "sadaqadda garashadda ah" ee aan ku siiyey si tabaruc ahaana ma garatey, saaxiibkeygii Ina-Gummeedka ahaayow? 

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