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Under strict measures, It is a big win for them and they might have found a way to pass the UN Arms Embargo also.

The question is what has been promised to Norway, Qatar, UK, and Yank gas and oil corps.

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Oodweyne   
2 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

for them and they might have found a way to pass the UN Arms Embargo also.

Leaving aside the warm delusion in which you are indulging in here, I can tell you no Arms Embargo will ever be lifted from Somalia till these three (3) "conditions" are fully met on the ground in Somalia:

One - Till Somalia has an elected government by its voters.

Two - Till that government has the legal legitimacy of ruling every inch of its alleged territory.

Three - Till Somalia and Somaliland legal issue and their final parting of ways are resolved completely, and there is no chance of war happening between the parties over the legality of where each party's jurisdiction begins and end if they can't agree to reform a re-union. And, of course, this "re-union" will never ever be happening in so far as Somaliland is concern.

Take this three (3) points and save it somewhere previous to you, and then see to it as to how they stand up (or fare) in time along the years from now now. Got that, dear ninny?

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4 minutes ago, Oodweyne said:

 

Three - Till Somalia and Somaliland final parting of ways are resolved completely and there is no chance of war happening between the parties over the legality of where each party's jurisdiction begins and end if they can't agree to reform a re-union. which is never going to be happening in so far as Somaliland is concern.

Take this three (3) points and save it somewhere previous to you, and then see to it as to how they stand up in time along the years from now now. Got it, boyo?

First, reread what I wrote. I didn't say the arms embargo will be lifted. Secondly, you are delusional if you believe the world will consult Sland in issues regarding Somalia. You have no legal basis, if you did, they would have certainly consulted Somaliland on the debt issue.

 

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Again, dear gormless ninny, it seems that in your haste to talk back you forget to actually ascertain my argument in its true scope. For it's bleeding obvious that the world will not consult with Somaliland about anything to do with what they want for Somalia. But they see how the Arms Embargo is tied up with the notion of whether Somalia and Somaliland will go to war over the argument of "jurisdictional sovereign right" in which Somalia is likely to claim over Somaliland, in which Somaliland in turn will contest it and fight it against it with blood.

Hence, the powers-that-be that actually "baby-sit" Somalia (especially the Brits, the French, the US) knows to how war is one simple wrong move away between Somalia and Somaliland. And therefore lifting Arms embargo is like adding fuel to the fire so long as this bedeviling issue is still not resolved. And that is the reason there will be no arms embargo being lifted from Somalia till she and Somaliland and their delicate legal issue is resolved. And it's been resolved to each party's satisfaction. It was the same with Sudan and South Sudan where the Arms Embargo on Sudan was concern. 

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There is no legal issue to be resolved. You seem to have a hard time understanding that. And if your argument is Somaliland  will become belligerent if the arms embargo is lifted, then, bless your heart,

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Haatu   

Oodweyne, Somalia can bypass the arms embargo using the black market. All it needs to do that is cash and this recent development opens up that possibility. Even non state entities like the Houthis are able to buy arms on the black market.

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Oodweyne   
14 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

There is no legal issue to be resolved. You seem to have a hard time understanding that. And if your argument is Somaliland  will become belligerent if the arms embargo is lifted, then, bless your heart,

That you think that like that shows, at best, the poverty of your intellect. And at worse it shows the sheer bankrupcy of your argument in-terms of what you understand legality actually means. And since, I am not in a charitable mood to educate a silly non-entity like you, and even do so in a details sort of way in here whereby I can show him how he is all at sea in here, then see to it to go with god in your ignorant way. Good day, mate.

5 hours ago, Haatu said:

Oodweyne, Somalia can bypass the arms embargo using the black market. All it needs to do that is cash and this recent development opens up that possibility. Even non state entities like the Houthis are able to buy arms on the black market.

Haatu,

That could have been the case in Somalia, but Somalia is not even like even Houthis who runs their land unencumbered by anyone else's vigilant eyes. After all, you do know, right, that Somalia is a glorified UN's Trusteeship State that effectively is governed by the likes of Mr James Swan and by the UNSC (who send him there), on one hand, and teeming Hired-Bantu African's mercenaries in their thousands who are on the ground ensuring whatever little peace there is on the ground, on the other hand? 

Hence, whatever money Somalia could haggle out of it or could get it out from International Financial Institutions (IFIs) such as World Bank or IMF or any other outfit, or even what money she could get it through a bilateral way, will be watch with a "magnifying glass" (as it were).

And there is no way Somalia will be allowed to buy up heavy weapons of the sort any Sovereign nation is entitled to purchase it so long as there is no Arms Embargo on them.

Hence, Somalia is (as I said it already) in the same "restrictive situation" in which with Sudan had found itself. Which is the reason she still is not allowed to get it such heavy armaments other than what she had it prior to point in which such Embargo was imposed on her by the Western's powers, which was during the "Darfur's crisis" of mid-2000s. 

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Haatu   

Oodweyne,

You have a valid point but we all know how hypocritical those Western powers can be. As of now, it is clear certain European powers are in bed with the N&N regime to get their hands on the off-shore oil wealth. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them turn a blind eye to some arms entering the country in an irregular manner in return for what they want.

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Oodweyne   
3 hours ago, Haatu said:

You have a valid point but we all know how hypocritical those Western powers can be. As of now, it is clear certain European powers are in bed with the N&N regime to get their hands on the off-shore oil wealth. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them turn a blind eye to some arms entering the country in an irregular manner in return for what they want.

Haatu,

I have no doubt that the US and Norway (and the Brits to certain extends) wants to get some action on the Oil front, especially the Off-Shore oil blocks which is easy to protect from Somalis if you have your own naval-based mercenaries force to protect your oil-field in the sea.

Particularly, that can be arranged if the central government gives you the "licence" to operate that Off-shore oil block. Which is what many Western's Oil Giants usually demands from some of the third-world countries in which they operate on.

And that means no "interference" of any kind from the local population, along with the right to be given a "free hand' to secure their assets on the ground with their own "hired mercenaries" from some of the international security outfits who provide "services" of that kind. Like the manner in which the former Blackwater outfit used to supply such heavy duty "force protection muscle" for the Western-owned assets in some of the trouble spots around the world. 

But in so far as "Arms Embargo" is concern they know that if they lift them then every one (and their uncle) will get it on the act. And that in turn will in effect mean an "open sesame" sort of reality in which every one will get heavy armament from their friends. Even the local Federal member-states of Somalia will get some kind of foreign country to supply them with all of its needs in-terms of any kind of heavy armaments. 

However, to us in Somaliland, it has to be said that it's actually good thing on the whole, particularly if this "Arms Embargo" is lifted. For we will then go straight into a position in which we can armed ourselves up to our eye-balls. Since there are many countries around the world who would do for us with no question ask in return. So the Western powers know that this is a "game" in which two can play it, if they foolish enough now to lift the "Arms Embargo" on Somalia. And they know that in turn will bring forth into Somalia an instant war as soon as such "Embargo" is lifted, officially.   

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16 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

Under strict measures, It is a big win for them and they might have found a way to pass the UN Arms Embargo also.

The question is what has been promised to Norway, Qatar, UK, and Yank gas and oil corps.

 

Che,

You are raising a question that is the only one, and the most critical one, which Kyre does not want it mentioned let alone answered, that needs to be answered.

If SFG does not make this public, the whole arrangement will fall apart and Kyere will be like the Kenya officials who received bribes and cannot return, so they have to start war.

If Ethiopian officials are in the action, which is automatic considering they have to provide the security, then this is new chapter.

 

 

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