"A man of discernment said: The people of Iraq ... do not come out with something between blonde, buff and blanched coloring, such as the infants dropped from the wombs of the women of the Slavs and others of similar light complexion; nor are they overdone in the womb until they are burned, so that the child comes out something between black, murky, malodorous, stinking, and crinkly-haired, with uneven limbs, deficient minds, and depraved passions, such as the Zanj, the Somali, and other blacks who resemble them. The Iraqis are neither half-baked dough nor burned crust but between the two." Ibn al-Faqih al-Hamadani, Mukhtasar Kitab al-Buldan, 903 AD http://www.colorq.org/Articles/article.aspx?d=2002&x=arabviews

"Islamic court officers escort a man after he was caught breaking the Sharia law on July 19." http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060722/photos_ts_wl_afp/61c2fe300cc684139a14de712f314239

This looks more natural, especially sheik ahmed sharif's clothing. and macawis and shati looks thousands times natural on somalis, than that saudi sheik looking new trend in Moqdishu, nothing indonesian about macaawis.

Asxabul_Khaf Education is fine' but when the wrong type of filth is tought to the ignorant (The one who doesnt know allah/quran) it becomes deadly in this life and the here after. I'm quite certain that thousand and thousand of educated and great minds who have contributed greatly to human development on all sectors have not read the quran, are you saying that these people are ignorant "in this life" and their contribution is "deadly"? And are you supposedly more knowledgable than them just because you read the Quran? kafiroon/munaafiquun are known for. You call people who dont submit to your beliefs and have other faith "Kafiroon/munaafiquun" yet you live in their countries, enjoy their societies with relative high living standards, use their resources etc, and when they offered you shelter from the shambles of somalia your thanx is by calling them kaffir? Seriously why do you live in a kaffir country, the world is big enough, yemen, bangladesh,pakistan KSA, iran all are non kafir countries outside somalia what stopped you from going their? its quite obvious you enjoy living among kaffir otherwise you wouldnt cross ocean and endure all the difficulties and all proces it took you to live there. of all people in the world the worst of the worst that i hate are hypocrits who try to lecture others as if they're above them and dont notice how transparent they are. me: These people are in a state of war all the time. Look its simple, I am of the opinion that an all out adoption of arab culture is wrong! We are Somalis, yes we are muslim and we should adhere to our ismalic faith. But we should not be dumping our culture and pretending to be arabs. Well said sis, this people even make the arabs themselves embarassed, why would anyone want their culture to be associated with these warlods turned waadaad. Islam is one thing and Arabic culture is something else, but these guys cant see the difference. Why is this man dressed as a saudi arabian sheik, i have seen alot more of these clothes in pics from moqdishu recently. Pakistanis, Egyptians, lybians, marrocans, iranians, algerians, sudanese, indoneseans even iraqis palestinians, never would dress like this. NOn of them dress like this its only the gulf arab culture, everyone else have their own cultural muslim clothes, this is pathetic, I bet even the saudis are laughing and seeing them as confused. No need to dress as a saudi sheik to show you are a good muslim.

Soo maal: Therefore I am confident that no sane somali person whether he is from northwest/northcentral/ or south would even think about the possibility of Somali administration to have involvement with Israel, because that is a betrayal to Muslim ummah Betrayal to the "muslim ummah"?? Speak for yourself, you'r belief of what's right or wrong is subjective and thus personal. Isreal is not an enemy of Somalia and has never shown any negative action against somalia. So if you have sympathy and support of the palestinian cause rather than looking after your own garden(somali people), then please move to the palestinian-Israeli battle field. However we (non-wannabe)Somalis have our own battle which the outcome we value greater than what happens on another continent. Your type can just leave and please dont come back after you liberate the palestinians from the evil Israelis! Protecting the "muslim ummah" against the evil Isrealis? This will ofcourse give voice and power to Palestians and hopefully after this "victory" Somali children might get raised into a better level automatically by protecting and supporting the "muslim ummah" right!? The palestinian victory against Jews will grant Somali children and their descendants a protected life, right? Whats the use of consuming scarce resources provided by our earth on people like you, when your whole existance suffocates the great human mind and all great potential developments??

Do you think that its wrong to rent a strategic Somali militery base to Israel? I think it's ok, but as a united somali under federalism of course. Israel is a very interesting country. Arab problems with israel are not our problem, our own interess should always come first. I seriously see no reason why Somalis should hold grudge against israel considering they have never caused any harm aginst somalis. This fobia and hatred against anything israeli from somalis is so redicoulas and senseles that its not even worth commenting.

ME, this is a frightening story, wallahi. can you please provide us with the source I mean the web address. Thanks! HERE IS THE SOURCE.

Originally posted by Viking: quote:Originally posted by KEYNAN22: I correct you, I don't think you know me and I certainly don't know you, so how you came to this suspicion/conclusion kinda puzzles me. Someone with the same exact username, from Sweden, used to display a vocal anti-Islamic stance at SomaliNet. If it is you then I think it is only fair that you come clean so people know your real position. If that person wasn't you and you are a Muslim who is concerned then I apologise. Which is it? Well i dont belieave in sharia law and i dont think religion and politics should be mixed, such mentality should be left were it belongs and that is the 7th century. And btw stop making up lies, i never showed any anti-islamic stance, i only shared my view on how somalis have always been moderate muslims and never been hard-liner muslims, this new trend you see these days with women wearing burka is not the somali way, but import from saudi arabia and its wahabism, which i frankly despise and find it being quite backwards. Thats my opinion i see nothing "anti-islamic" about it.

He also called Abdullahi yusuf a "traitor" and a "renegade". http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AL_QAIDA_MESSAGE?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-07-01-13-54-23

If this is really true, then thats great. It kinda seems as we shouldnt underestimate the new power group and their politically sophistication. Nice move!

Viking KEYNAAN, Correct me if I'm mistaken but weren't you a non-Muslim? Aren't you against all form of theocracy, Shari'a and Islam in general? I correct you, I don't think you know me and I certainly don't know you, so how you came to this suspicion/conclusion kinda puzzles me.

I cant believe how any one can support such despicable act against a teenager regardles his crime. I dont care what this kid did, murder,rape, robbery or whatever, he doesnt deserve the savagery inflicted upon him, i'm really pissed off after seeing those pics of whay they did to him. The only thing openly and best would be to rehabilitate him and try to lift him from the trauma of 16 years of lawlesnes he has lived in(and probaly born in), anything to bring him into normal life and normal conscious. But what do these savages/brutes/animals do to the kid?? They cut his legs and hands off, FaCk!ng animalistic behaviour, unbeliavable and unacceptable, this is inhuman and can not be condoned! It's not his damn fault his hungry , its not his fault he had to steal so to survive, they the Loosers are the ones to blame who didn't secure food for this young man, they are the failures who are the grown men fighting for the last 15 years instead of securing his security for his education, and this young man has to pay for their failure. These pics really upsets me. What they did to this kid is abhorrent and inhuman, every somali who sees this should protest against this and show their disgust openly so to convey their distrust and disgust against such acts on the future young victims facing such savagery...

Hirsi Ali keeps Dutch citizenship Tuesday 27 June 2006, 18:21 Makka Time, 15:21 GMT A Somali-born Dutch politician can keep her Dutch citizenship despite admitting that she lied in her asylum application, the Dutch government has said. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a fierce critic of radical Islam, resigned from parliament in May and said she would leave the country after Rita Verdonk, the Dutch immigration minister and a member of her own VVD liberal party, told her she could lose her citizenship. However, Dutch cabinet members agreed late on Monday that Hirsi Ali, whose real name is Hirsi Magan, should not be stripped of her citizenship. Verdonk told parliament on Tuesday that Hirsi Ali would be able to keep her Dutch nationality. Verdonk added in a statement that her initial decision to strip Hirsi Ali of Dutch citizenship was not based on a full understanding of the circumstances of her name change. Hirsi Ali hit the headllines in 2004 after the Dutch filmmaker Theo Van Gogh, who directed a film she wrote which accused Islam of suppressing women, was murdered by a Muslim extremist. False name Hirsi Ali, 36, had admitted using a false name and date of birth when she arrived in the Netherlands in 1992. Dutch cabinet members agreed that because she used her grandfather's name, which is allowed under Somali law, the false claim would not be held against her. In a published statement, Hirsi Ali said that she would continue to use Hirsi Ali as her name and regretted giving authorities the wrong impression about her identity. Her lawyer also said she was "happy the uncertainty is finally over [and that] there are no more questions about her Dutch citizenship". On her asylum application Hirsi Ali also pretended she had come to the Netherlands from Somalia, rather than via Kenya and Germany. Refugees are usually required to apply for asylum in the first safe country they reach after fleeing. However, she said those facts had been public knowledge when the VVD chose her as a candidate for parliament in 2002. In hiding Hirsi Ali went into hiding in 2004 after Van Gogh's death. His murderer, Mohammed Bouyeri, is currently serving life in prison. Hirsi Ali returned to parliament a few months after the murder but has continued to live under heavy guard. She has since been offered a job by the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think-tank in the US capital, Washington DC. http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9751B6BD-AA65-4889-A0B2-15105F99A46C.htm

HornAfrique: I have no axe to grind with the islamic courts, actually i supported their take over of lawless moqdisho, that's why their Stup!d actions now sadens me. Duufaan: is fine for me, as long as it is no public Do you know anything about stoning? its the public who are conducting the execution itself,its suppose to be somekind of family field trip. They encourage people to enjoy while throwing the stones.

You've got to be kidding, Right? You seriously think its OK to stone people to death? Capital punishment is one thing but stoning someone to deatch is as retard as a country can ever get. They can't possibly explain this method of execution beacasue they've run out of bullets. They can atleast stab the men to death with a rusty knife as they did to that man months ago, anything would be better than stoning. Rest asured this will be used against them, talk about being politically infantile.

Somalia's Islamists to stone rapists to death Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:12 PM GMT By Mohamed Ali Bile MOGADISHU (Reuters) - Somalia's newly powerful Islamists on Monday said they will stone to death five rapists, in what some fear is the latest sign of a plan to install a hardline Islamic regime like Afghanistan's Taliban. The punishments, like others carried out by the Islamists in their sharia courts in the capital Mogadishu and elsewhere, follow the naming of Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys -- on a U.N. list of al Qaeda associates -- to a top post over the weekend. Aweys, a former army colonel who in the 1990s led militant Islamists in failed campaigns in Somalia but has denied any al Qaeda links, was named head of the Council of Islamic Courts. The council is a parliament for the Islamists, whose well-trained militias seized Mogadishu from U.S.-backed warlords on June 5 after months of fighting that killed at least 350. The rapists were to be stoned to death in Jowhar, which the Islamists took in the last phase of a campaign that saw them seize a strategic swathe of Somalia from the coastal capital northwest nearly to the Ethiopian border. "Five men who raped four women on June 22 will be stoned to death today in accordance with the Islamic sharia. They have pleaded guilty to the crime and also have been identified by the victims," Siyad Mohamed, a militia leader linked to Islamic courts, told Reuters by phone from Jowhar. The Islamist victory dealt an embarrassing public setback to Washington's counter-terrorism campaign, as its support for the much-despised warlords gave the Islamists popular backing that propelled their ascendancy. 'THE UPPER HAND' The Islamists at first tried to present a moderate face to the world, saying they only wanted to end anarchy and restore peace lost since dictator Mohamed Siad Barre's ouster in 1991. One Western diplomat who follows Somalia said Aweys' rise would likely close channels for dialogue with the West. "I think it demonstrates how secure they feel in their own right. They don't need international recognition, and they can do this because they have the upper hand," the diplomat said. The shooting of a Swedish journalist in Mogadishu on Friday also hurt the Islamists' claim to be pacifying the city. Asked about the appointment of Aweys, Somalia's interim government was circumspect: "It is the internal business of the courts," government spokesman Abdirahman Dinari said. Somalia's weak interim government and the Islamists, in talks mediated by Sudan in Khartoum, last week agreed to recognise each other and meet again on July 15. Both sides are deeply suspicious of the other's intentions. Court sources have said there is a split in the Islamist ranks between moderates and hardliners like Aweys, who want an Islamic state. Aweys is a former leader of al-Ittihad al-Islami, which fought for that cause in the 1990s but was defeated by Ethiopia and also warlords Addis Ababa had backed -- including Somalia's current interim president, Abdullahi Yusuf. An Aweys protege, Aden Hashi Ayro, is an Afghanistan-trained militia commander linked to the killings of aid workers and at least one journalist there in recent years, and the desecration of an Italian cemetery in Mogadishu last year. Western diplomats and security experts say he has al Qaeda connections and that there are training camps and a handful of the group's operatives in Somalia, but the Islamists deny it.

The verdict came today.The father got four years in prison (which is alot in sweden considering lifetime imprisonment is 12 years) while the little girl got a symbolic figure of 300,000SEK for the damage inflicted on her.

Picture of Martin Adler minutes before he got killed(He's the one with white cap).

I hope they find and punish the savage who killed my countryman. :mad: Swedish article http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,846534,00.html English article http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5108958.stm

"I am not satisfied unless you ailing uncle stops calling himself the president of Somalia, cause there is none of the somali people had elected him to that illusive office, except the foregone warlords." who cares if you are satisfied or not? you sit in you western comfort and dont mind the conflict in somalia to continue because of your disatisfaction of who holds the presidential title or not, lol. try to see the wider picture, they have signed an agreement and thats something positive for the somali people in somalia. "not elected" kullaha, what do you think somalia is, a country in a condition to afford such luxury as national elections? Wake up and smell the reality, i'm frankly tired of negative people such as you, who never sees the light at end of the tunnel =====>

Rush Limbauge: U.S Team needs To "Enslave" Ghana http://blogs.foxsports.com/Big___Al/2006/06/20/Rush_Limbaugh_US_Team_Needs_to_Enslave_Ghana "Now I can state this unequivocally, and with half my brain tied behind my back...the Americans have no chance to beat Ghana in this match. Did you see those little monkeys go in their match against the Czechs? Look, it has been said before, but for those of you in Rio Linda who may have missed it--these guys have been bred for centuries to be good athletes." The big, fat ***** then offered a solution: "The way I see it is this: The only way we can beat them is to roll the clock back a couple hundred years. We conservatives are always in favor of that...just ask any commie/pinko/liberal. So here's the plan. Arena needs to go in there, shackle them up, and ship them up the Rhine just like in the good old days. And then we can put them out on the field for our team...guaranteed victory!" Crazy guy!

Somali women should enjoy sex as much as the male, period. I wouldn't wanna have sex with a vegetable. What kind of man would want to have a wife who's gone through this kind of procedure? :confused:

Originally posted by ibtisam: There was no one on the bus, but him and the driver, he had an argument with the driver (No one knows what was really said, the door opened, while the bus was still in motion and he flew out into the road. The driver denies they argued and instead says that he come running down from upstairs, press the emergence button while the bus was moving and flew out. There is only one witness, who saw him fall from the moving bus. CCTV footage is being looked at by police and the driver is out on bail. He’s condition remains unchanged in hospital. May Allah have mercy on him, and help him regain his health and strength. Peace out. Is it posible that the bus driver was the one who killed him and later made up the story of this white male group?? I bet the bus driver was Jamaican, i hear Jamaicans in london despise somali youth. my scenario of the incident is that the bus driver drove to a remote place and beated the hell out of him , then came back to his normal route and threw him out of the bus, in a spot on his normal route where he thought they were no people at that time. I don't buy this bast#rd 's story, they should conduct a very close investigation on him.

Man goes on trial in Sweden for having daughter circumcised. AFP June 14, 2006 STOCKHOLM -- A man went on trial in Sweden on Tuesday accused of forcing his 13-year-old daughter to undergo female circumcision, the first such case since a law banning the procedure went into effect in 1982, a Swedish court said. The 41-year-old Somali man, who lived with his family in Sweden, allegedly took his daughter to Somalia in January 2005 where she was held down by two men while her clitoris was cut off, according to the charge sheet submitted to the Gothenburg district court. "The trial opened today," Gothenburg district court clerk Ulla-Britt Bergen said, without disclosing either the name of the victim or the father. The accused has denied the charges, arguing that someone else must have forced his daughter to have the operation, according to Swedish news agency TT. "He is against female circumcision. He doesn't believe that his daughter should have been circumcised," the man's lawyer Eva Henrikson told the court, according to TT. Female circumcision, traditionally seen as controlling female sexuality and making a girl more "marriageable," typically involves cutting off the clitoris and other parts of the genitalia in pre-pubescent and teenage girls. Sweden banned female genital mutilation in 1982, but many immigrant families circumvented the law by having it done abroad. The law was amended in 1999 to stipulate that parents could be charged in Sweden regardless of where the genital mutilation was carried out.

Somalis are Oromo group that split from the rest of pastoralist Oromo who entered the realm of islamic influence. The difference is we "accepted" islam relative early, and the language is same as Oromo but only bast#rdized with persian, arabic and other coastal trading forces words. Moqdisho, Marka and other trade regions were long time strong trading posts before nomad Somalis even had the sight of it. Arab, Persian families had long time made this coast region into a international trading hub, dealing with the whole middle east and even as far as with the Ming dynasty in China,and Indian mugals(well recorded by the chinese and Indians). These coastal urban economies needed labour force and imported alot of slaves as well, some scattered bantu slaves had made their way to moqdishu even before somalis. The first time the word "Somaal" was ever recorded was when the Abyssinian Emperor Yashik orded his leading musician among his force to compose a hymn due to the victory over one of the north/western Muslim villages/state in the 14th century. thats when the word "Somaal" appeared in written history for first time. Before that there was no such thing recorded as Somali people or nation! The coastal areas of somalia and cities were occupied by Persians and Arabs, their descendants Barwani and Banaadir still live today, and witness the nomadic destruction occuring for fullest..