WCS, Welcome back, How was Xamar?

Somalia..pretty soon, you would think your own shadow is HAG.

^Or ignore the very Constitution that allows them to form a state!

SHar'marke..What tribal motivation do I have? "why is it important for you? What is behind your inquisitive project?" Is this really serious question. Just consequential project for Somalia and you ask why is it important? Apo....When the original tribal lands namely Somaliland and Puntland were formed, we knew the men behind each project and their ambitions. I don't doubt enjoy legitimacy among their people but who are they? XX...I think it's given Kenya has more influence than even Somali Government. There's gotta more people there?

While a lot of time and energy has been wasted accusing the president of being tribalist (yesterday's hero, today's villian), however little we do know about the men running the Juba project. The best we get is 'it's local inhabitants forming Jubaland' . That might be true but every entity has leader(s). The only figure we know is Madoobe. Who else is part of the process? Apo...You and I already discussed this:D

Apo.....In the words of Rumsfield, there are lot of known unknowns and unknown knowns. One would have hoped this process was done in the light of day. NGONGE...Abtigiis has abused his Somali weekly pass and need to be shipped back or cameled back I guess:D XX...You are true nationalist though bit conflicted at times.

lool@pull Somaliland; not bad idea if it will actually quiet people down. But the thing with qabiil, the more you peel the stinker it gets and those who now accuse Xasan Sheikh of clanism will turn the guns on each other soon or later.

Apophis;888731 wrote: I honestly don't know the leaders. OK. Does anyone know? lol@NGONGE Abtigiis wants out. We let him exit gracefully.

That was sincere question on my part Apo. Perhaps, Abtigiis could illuminate this dark mystery. Apart Madoobe, who else is part of the process? Ghandi?

I am only interested in political leaders!

LOL Name names ninyahow. Who are the leaders?

The project leaders haven't communicated to anyone either. Who's actually heading this process and who are the participants. Bring the thing to light and let it stand to proper scrutiny. Nice of you to admit there was hysteria:D

Apo.....Whatever president did is now masked by the hysteria exhibited by unruly clan lords and the unfortunate incident in Kismayo. Thoiugh surrogates have been talking, the president hasn't publicly rejected this project; moreover those running this show have not put together team that engages the Federal Government on this. If there's, I haven't heard it. Any political schism between the two parties need to be abridged. The reaction by Abtigiis and like hardly helps the situation.

Apo... Until such process is completed, every region is governed by the Constitution. Abtigiis...There are still two separate regions! And again, nobody is saying they are entitled to become member state. They just are not one NOW. It seems like you live in alternate reality where I apparently can shut down SOL:D

Seriously, playing second fiddle to Abtigiis not good sign for you. I am not opposed the regions uniting but we are talking NOW not what will happen in the future.

I emphasize regions have the right to Federal Members State but the fact now is Gedo and Juba are not of any state. What happens in the future doesn't negate the Government's towards these regions NOW.

Abtigiis....Let's establish facts and perhaps you could answer some questions before you start indulging in your usual verbal gymnastics and unhealthy analogies to pubescent girls and women's menstrual cycles. Unless you are constitutional lawyer, you are no more expert than anyone else on SOL, so let's not entangled in this silly tussle about interpretation. Now, here's simple enough question, (please pay attention as this is critical considering you have attention of toddler with elmo in his hand) Is Gedo or Juba incorporated into any existing Federal Member State as of now? A simple yes and no would suffice. If the answer to the above question yes, then what's name of the State, who's head of the State Government and does the State have parliament and Judiciary? More importantly, does the State enjoy sovereignty over its territory? Now before you answer those questions, let's establish some facts (are you with me so far)? Currently, there's no state called Jubaland. Gedo and Juba are occupied by different groups both fighting AS. As it stands, Gedo and Juba are two separate entities that are not politically integrated. Neither of these two regions have proper administrations that can secure the land, enforce the law, collect taxes or root out AS which still occupies many places. Here's the key point. In the current state, these two regions come under the Federal Government as stipulated in Article 48 of the Constitution. I need to remind Article of 48 has nothing to do with the establishment of any commission. Here's entire article: Article 48. The Structure of the State (1) In the Federal Republic of Somalia, the state is composed of two levels of government: (a) The Federal Government Level; (b) The Federal Member States Level, which is comprised of the Federal Member State government, and the local governments. .(2) No single region can stand alone. Until such time as a region merges with another region(s) to form a new Federal Member State, a region shall be directly administered by the Federal Government for a maximum period of two years You willfully lump article 48 part 2 (italicized) with the establishment of commission to mislead people: dishonest thing to do. Perhaps, the rest of Solers can share views on the above article in relation to Gedo and Juba. I think something else is being left out. Who are exactly the people forming this Jubaland, I mean those in leadership position? Is the process inclusive whereby every tribe is at the table armed or not (nobody knows who's majority or minority)? Is it transparent? I look forward to your usual self and hail mary passes:)

Abtigiis....I could only do one liner now. Will get back to you later. Apo...stop parroting.

Actually no but now we know what you do when you have brain farts. In any case, I guess you are done arguing for Abtigiis case; diversion when all else fails

^That still better than silly thing you wrote.

^lool...that's the best you could come with, smh:D

^If the past is any indication, that might just happen or at-least something close to it. In the end, Soomaalida wax farahooda ku jira iska yar. The little they control is used to divide.

Mintid...Hassan has yet to bring any workable solution. That much, I agree but I do wish 'tolka' would refrain from throwing histy fits and act reasonably and not fall for the arguments of men who are only interested in securing Kismayo's ports for themselves without any accountability. How long will Somalis continue being mules for these people? If you gonna support someone, at-least see to it your support bears some fruit. Any process in Juba should be inclusive and be in tandem with the Federal Institutions. The Constitution in other articles emphasizes cooperation and identifies resource and power sharing. p.s. My worries with the president is actually based on his inability to form the Government and win support from the Parliament, The only competent person seems to be Speaker Jawahir. To me, Kismayo is sideshow now that's being whipped by 'tolka'.

Abtigiis....Regional administration or Federal Member States as they are called in the Constitution are formed with the consultation of the Federal Government and has to be approved by the Federal Parliament. The Government has monopoly over any region of original 18 that is not member of Federal State. Gedo and Juba are CURRENTLY not part of any Federal Member State: No single region can stand alone. Until such time as a region merges with another region(s) to form a new Federal Member State, a region shall be directly administered by the Federal Government for a maximum period of two years. Chapter 5 Article 48.2 Furthermore, The number and boundaries of the Federal Member States shall be determined by the House of the People of the Federal Parliament.Chapter 5 Article 49.1 In addition to that, The House of the People of the Federal Parliament, before determining the number and boundaries of the Federal Member States, shall nominate a national commission which shall study the issue, and submit a report of its findings with recommendations to the House of the People of the Federal Parliament.Chapter 5 Article 49.1 Considering the powers bestowed on the Federal Institutions by the Constitution; it is silly to accuse any body of the Federal Government for intervening. And I will be repeat, as it stands now. Juba or Gedo is not part of any Federal Member State and hence subject to direct rule from Mogadishu. I think these knee-jerk reactions and rants need to cease. Those involved in forming Jubaland must engage the Government and the Federal Parliament.

Jacpher....I haven't condone their actions against the civilians and they have failed horribly during the famine. They failed to setup administrations that could serve and moderate views. They were comfortably being rebels than being governors. Somalis need government but I would add this much, I will support Somali over foreigners for time has proven will come in to kill and destabilize even farther. People have such short memories of Tigray regime did in Somalia and continue to do in Somali-galbeed. And in honestly, I wish people will unite behind the government instead of chanting for tribal leaders. Abtigiis...What if your clan is wrong which I believ is the case now.