Thanks for the pictures MMA ..A president with no Somali blood on his hands but only the best interest of his people at heart how can you not love this man? May Somali women give birth to many of his kind in the future

Ilaahay ha u naxariisto

ILaahay ha u naxaariisto

don't they understand that education doesn't start with ''University''? build another 500 primary schools on top of the 1172 primary schools we currently have and then we can focus on Universities and colleges

Brother MMA our people from those regions are automaticly citizens of Somalia so they too would fall under ''Somalian'', i agree comparing our Nation to Iran is bit off but they too have people related to them living across their country's borders which they lost in imperial partitioning One thing that needs to be taught is ''ethnic Somalis'' (you know the type that dominates) do not all fall under H,D,D,I and that is what i'm trying to counter i'm open to idea's in my future work to counter and destroy these lies of Lewis and co who use clans and move them around in Somali peninsula's history like their playing a game of chess the way Somalis are being moved around or are being displaced in D-ir Dhaba or Harar for sinister reasons

Good job Somalian brother!

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Originally posted by me: Hold up Dauud, there are one kind of Somali's and they are called Somali. There are no Oromo's Bantu's Bajuunis, Boni's...Just Somalis. Dadkan la kala saar saarayo maxaa waaye? MMA is right, the correct term is Somali. Sxb i'm not dividing i'm trying to unite and if you read books about Somali history throughout the horn you will notice how these revisionists like Pankhurst or undercovers like Lewis divide Somalis by using the clan system, for them every figure born on the Somali peninsula that doesn't have a ''noble clan'' can't be a ''Somali'' despite the fact that there are groups like Biyomaal who are ethnic Somalis but in the last centuries started practicing a different profession and are no longer part of the so-called noble clan system

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: quote:Originally posted by Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale: We would? Somalian armies have been roaming throughout Kenya and Tanzania since the early 17th century case in point the Portuguese defeat by a joint Somalian-Omanese force in 1660 Mombasa, or the Nabahan arab princes of Pate that were threatening the Siu women and children who were rescued by a Katwa Somalian army ... Daa'uud, maxaa waaye waxaan? "Somalian???????" Kamoon nooh. It is annoying seeing this Soomaali noun butchered by non-Soomaali, and it is even more annoying when it is written or said by Soomaalis, and extra more unbelievable coming from you of all people here. Perhaps those foreign forums you visit ayaad lasoo qabsaday. Bajunis Boni people Oromo's Somali Bantu Ethnic Somalis etc etc =Somalians the way Azeris Farsis Kurds Arabs etc etc =Iranians first they said ethnic Somalis are those who fall under the so-called ''noble'' clan system hence making it easier for revisionists to give every historical figure born on the Somali peninsula an ambiguous origin because the persons ''clan'' is unknown ignoring the fact that there many groups of Ethnic Somalis who do not fall under this system so i use it as a heterogenerous term that includes multiple groups of Somalia

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Originally posted by Geel_Jire12: I thought u was talking about Mingiis la tumo. Lakin Masai iyo Balayo baad keentay. lol. I read somewhere that if the British didn't stop the Somali migrations into Kenya, we would be living deep in to their land. We would? Somalian armies have been roaming throughout Kenya and Tanzania since the early 17th century case in point the Portuguese defeat by a joint Somalian-Omanese force in 1660 Mombasa, or the Nabahan arab princes of Pate that were threatening the Siu women and children who were rescued by a Katwa Somalian army that send the Nabahan agressors back to Pate and later on also defeated the invading Seyyid Siad of Zanzibar and send him back to Tanzania. A Somali sheikh after those victories was even given joint rulership of Siu with the Famao princes. The british themselves were fighting Somali warriors as far as Malindi(see J.C. Hutcheson)so it's not that they stopped us no these pricks in reality send us back to NFD.

^Their clan is HawiDaroDirSaq! no excuses! I'm 20 and a student so i'm not allowed to adopt but i spread the info to my family and friends

I grew up in the Diaspora with two Somalian parents and still till this day i have difficulties with my Af Somali Just imagine Somalian children with two Non Somalian parents Type of placement we are seeking: Adoptive Culture and heritage of children: Rashid and Hassan are of Somalian ethnicity. Family sought: Outside of the Borough. Brief Details:Rashid is a very happy and friendly boy who wants a loving family for him and his brother Hassan. Main Details: All about Rashid... Rashids foster carers describe him as an affectionate playful and lively child who is always smiling. He loves being with his foster brother and sister and is a sociable child who enjoys playing with other children. Rashid has a number of favourite books and likes his carer to read to him. His favourite toy is a racing car but he also enjoys playing with Lego. Rashid likes going out to the park and enjoys energetic outdoor activities. He is a healthy lively active child who is making good progress in all areas following difficult early experiences. Rashid attends nursery school which he enjoys. All About Hassan Hassan is placed in a separate placement to his brother Rashid. His foster carer describes him as a nice child to care for who can be quiet but is also lively and active. He is a healthy boy who eats and sleeps well and enjoys his food. Hassan has settled in well in his foster placement and is making good progress in all areas of his development. He likes to ride his bike, do jigsaw puzzles and drawing and painting. Rashid and his brother Hassan need to be placed together with a loving one or two parent black African family. Could you be that family? Letterbox contact with birth parents and siblings is envisaged. If you are interested in finding out more about Rashid and Hassan please contact: Vivienne Foxe on 020-8356-3791 or email them at vivienne.foxe@hackney.gov.uk Source

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: quote: The Pan-Somali movement is led from Mogadishu by an exile from French Somaliland , but all Somali politicians automatically include it in their creed. Can anyone guess who that man was? I would love to see him alive today and see wuxuu asaga iyo halyeydii kale ee aabiyaasheen usoo halgameen damiirlaawiyaal stooges ah qashinka ku daray maanta. He was according to Somali Djiboutians killed through sabotage (airplane accident in the early 60s) by those oppossing his agenda Mahmoud Harbi was a hardcore Pan-Somalianist and he had the backing of the Somalis from Djibouti that is why the majority of the people that voted ''no'' in the referendum were Somalis He was replaced by President Abtidoon who agreed on a seperate horn of African state despite the wishes of the majority of Somalis at that time

the pick up the phone and car scare were funny but when you watch it a few times you start to wonder why was the guy filming himself ironing his clothes??(what's so special about ironing?) and what was the other boy's original intention when he tried to cross the street(again why was he being filmed? was it set up?) i dont know but it looks fishy to me still funny though Prank-LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Would be funny if NFD started taking over towns aswell and SomaliGalbeed came out victorious and both of them teamed up and freed Somalia from US hegemony and created a unified state whoa! that would be crazy

Where do they hide these Images?? we picture starving around here yo....exhibit A/B/C/D/E/F -ARCHIVED- Thank you

Me and my Morrocan friend as 12 year olds were once caught by his aunt when browsing the wrong section of the Supermarket oh man she was screaming in arabic lololol lightning speed evacuation

Originally posted by QUANTUM LEAP: The exodus and the self denial continues. Those that deny there not Somali are in a minority but there is a group who state there ''Somali'' but were taught myths of ancient patriachs coming from the Arabian peninsula and state this aswell(despite genetics debunking it), why would you call this self denial? when these myths are recorded as having actually circulated in the past centuries in Somali society those that were called Germanic Barbarians in the past are today allowed to identify themselves as Hellenes and latins yet Somalis who have no history of Slavery enforced upon them by the arabs but on the contrary have a long tradition of trade and peacefull interaction are being told ''arab'' is ''bad''?? I reject this cowardous approach from people thinking they have the right to question my identity when they in most cases neither speak their native tongue nor know where they came from, people that have a colonial language as their official language let them fix these problems first before they question how Somalis identify themselves. Thousands flee the Somalia every year as refugees to live work abroad and become citizens of the country that welcomed them. They are willing to endure any hardship, travel any distance, suffer humiliation at the hands of cruel hosts and feel the pain loss of their children, husbands and wives and most of all pride. They are the heroes of selfless sacrifice, sending millions of dollars back to their families Incidentally, these millions are keeping the Somali families a live in a sea of political corruption and destruction. and who says they don't belong to the second group i mentioned in the beginning? A lot won’t ever go back and a lot more will never know the proud nation that was once Somalia. Are you saying these myths were created in the last 17 years but were nowhere to be seen in the 60s/70s/80s?? :rolleyes: Many more too hide under other pseudo tribes like the Arabs and even believe to be part of the Middle East. Now if that aint total humiliation then I wouldn’t know what is? What do you mean? our proud nation that was once Somalia (to me it still is) was part of the middle east and used these connections to it's advantage The Arab league so far hasn’t done anything to help other than fatten some War lords who in turn ostracize their people using these funds. the fact that you isolate the A.L but ignore the real demons like the US and UN tells me this post of yours is nothing but grabbing anything you can use for your crusade and throw it at the ''arabs'' because you most likely dislike ''arabs'' Infact one has to just look at the fate of the Palestinians who are true Arabs and among Arabs and yet who the hell cares about their plight. Who the hell cares about the non arab Kasmiri's?? who the hell cares about the non arab chechens?? who the hell cares about the non arab darfurians?? who the hell cares about the non Arab chinese muslims?? why do Somalis not care about the people of SomaliGalbeed?? let's not pretend that todays muslims have ''muscle'' like they had in the past, this incompetence is not a ''Arab thing'' Somehow I don’t see myself as an Arab nor do I even look like them. again ''Arab'' is a linguestic (heterogeneous)term; the Arabs of Syria do not share the same ''Y'' lineages as the arabs of Yemen We need our pride back and we sure need to advocate for it. you can start with the reconstruction of the bio's of the many Somali heroes and heroines like Xawo tako and co who were neglected even in Somalia's stable era The only thing we share with them is Religion anything else is hmmm well I wouldn’t know. that is enough! All you have to do is look at the Somalis who have lived in the Arab world and how they eventually get uprooted despite having grandchildren born there. What do you call Dubai? and the Somali business that line the streets of the main million $ shopping centers? again you ignore the real attrocities today being committed by non arabs in non Arab countries Somalis have lost their value as citizens and with that comes a lack of confidence which is seen amongst many as they claim to be what statistics please! and not hearsay dogma they are not just because of the ruthless destruction of the nation that was once proud. National pride wears thin when poverty, corruption, harassment, political stagnation, violence, luck of funds and life-time unemployment are all that awaits them in Somalia. Once abroad, with decent wages, they work hard without complaint. However with this status quo comes the lack of confidence in being what you are and you eventually start adapting other races that happen to be successful in their country and help themselves. your contradicting yourself, weren't these the same heroes that were supporting their people back in Somalia?? that's more than what most non-somali ex-pats living in foreign countries would do when they arrived there We feel we want to belong to those races just because what is Somali today is seen as failure and that inherent now. No that's you projecting your own insecurities at Somali people, from Japanese to Chinese to Malaysians and Turks who i chat with all see Somali people as honourable and proud people, why do these unnecessary thoughts circulate in your mind bro/sis?

Let's not deny the fact that Somali businesses are booming in the business capital of the Arab world(Dubai) and they face no danger there i can't say the same of Africa's business hub(S.Africa) and it's sinister treatment of Somali entrepreneurs(what happened to the African brotherly love?) Jacaylbaro i know why you dislike the Arab League and it's understandable but as a Unionist that wouldn't be the reason why i think we should leave this organization, to me and this goes for the AU and IGAD aswell all of these entities are serving the interests of Foreigners and not ours all of them are incompetent and bow down to Uncle Sam whenever he is in trouble, therefore we should not be a part of it.

The Weaver's Song Omar Dahir Ali wakes each morning to the predawn call to prayer and thanks God for giving him a trade that has stood the test of time. As his wives prepare tea and injera, or maize pancakes, for breakfast, Omar winds sized cotton thread onto a hand-fashioned spindle. His grandson crawls around his lap grasping at loose strands. Omar then sets off for the workshop, where he seats himself on the edge of a pit in the earthen floor, adjusts his wooden loom and sets his feet on its wood-and-rope treadles on the floor of the pit. In contentment, he sings a song. It is the song of his fathers and his fathers' fathers and he will one day teach it to his grandson. It is the simple, humble weaver's song of victory - victory over poverty and starvation. Somalia, a country of eight million people and 10 million camels, traditionally counts as its wealth that which can be corralled or worn or carried. Nomads in cotton skirts and hide sandals walk their country's principal export, livestock, from one green patch to another, ever wandering the parched Somali deserts. Along the southern coast, however, some of the country's few settled inhabitants still eke out an existence today in what was Somalia's first industry and remains one of her enduring art forms: cloth weaving. In 1330, the Arab traveler Ibn Battuta wrote of Somalia's thriving cloth industry: "In this place [benaadir] are manufactured the unequalled woven fabrics named after it, which are exported from there to Egypt and elsewhere." A crossroads between Africa and the Middle East, Somalia was a pivot-point of trade, linking ports from Egypt to India. Her capital of Mogadishu sits on the Indian Ocean, 1,300 kilometers (800 miles) from the Gulf of Aden and equidistant from Cairo, Baghdad and the trading cities of India's southwestern coast. It was once a major entrepôt of the trade in spices, slaves hides, aromatic gums, ivory and textiles. The Jubaland Plain, between the Juba and Shebele Rivers that rise in Ethiopia, gave Somalia riches of papayas, grapefruits, bananas, mangoes and, above all, cotton. Even in the 19th century, a French geographer estimated, one out of every five persons in Mogadishu was a weaver. The fields of the Jubaland Plain were polka-dotted with cotton plants, and Somalis produced over 350,000 pieces of cloth annually from the fertile ground. Because the ginning and weaving processes traditionally fell to lower-caste Somali tribes, the product was cheap enough to export successfully to countries like India, Egypt, and Kenya. The white cloth was also the Somali national dress: One length of it, known in traders' Arabic as futa, wrapped every man's waist as a long skirt, with another shorter piece, called go, draped the torso like a shawl. Women wore a long wrap called guntino. By the last decade of the last century, however, the white futa Benaadiri had been completely replaced by merikan, a grey sheeting manufactured by the United States to the dimensions of the Somali skirt. A length of it sold for one Maria Theresa thaler, and soon became interchangeable with that coin, developing into a kind of money known as cloth currency. The introduction of European-style clothing by the Italian colonists, and a drop in the world cotton market that made production and transportation of merikan very competitive with indigenous industries, were abstract market forces that led to the near-eradication of futa Benaadiri But recent research also suggests an attempt by wealthy Indian merchants to drive out the local cloth and capture the intermediary trade. Today, as a result, Somalia's southern ports of Merca and Brava no longer bustle with commerce, and their medieval fortifications crumble in the wind and tides.Today, only about 1,500 weavers nationwide carry on the trade that once flourished throughout the towns of the Benaadir Coast, struggling quietly against the onslaught of mass-produced synthetics. In steaming alleys away from the main thoroughfares - where local merchants today display sparkling textiles from Korea and Japan - the weaver's cooperatives silently sell their handmade products, moving their inventory slowly and patiently. So far, the weavers have survived, against the odds. They have survived because, resourcefully, they introduced design and color into their weaving, developing - or discovering - a new, substantial market among their own people. Using locally grown vegetable dyes such as saffron and imported dyed yarns from India and Pakistan, Somali weavers began in the late 1950's to weave brilliant reds, blues, yellows, blacks, and purples into their futas and guntinos, giving their people traditional cloths to use for marriages, funerals, furniture, war dancing, and everyday farming. Weavers invented dozens of patterns with names like "teeth" and "goats in the sand dunes" that have become standards and today are worn in major ceremonies and the religious festivities that keep the national spirit of this Islamic stronghold alive. Although Somali weavers count themselves among the employed, their existence is a meager one and they live today, as they always have, among the country's poorest. The thick, coarse cotton grown in the Somali grasslands is frequently rejected for the finer and softer threads bought in now from India and Pakistan with coveted hard currency. The weavers must buy their thread at painful prices from merchants to whom they seem ever in debt. Omar Dahir Ali, 56, had been weaving since he was a boy of 15. But, in the 1970s, the weaving stopped. Amid political chaos and war, wealthy merchants cornered the cotton market and drove prices up to levels the weavers could not afford. "At that time, we were building houses to earn our living," said Omar, who even today earns less than 300 Somali shillings for every 750- by 75-centimeter (24- by 2½ foot) futa he brings to the cooperative shop. At the official rate that equals less than three dollars a length. Working swiftly with the nimble fingers of experience, Omar can weave one skirt a day, and working every day but Friday he brings home under $18 a week. As the price of a decent meal in the simplest Somali cafe is easily 200 shillings, or two dollars, Omar depends on the budgeting talents of his two wives to feed his family. Omar now walks each morning to a cooperative workshop that has 32 pit looms, electric light, windows on the sea, and a roof that keeps the rain off. Its comfort and convenience are a far cry, he says, from stretching his yarns around the walls of his house, and running from the rain that used to flood the pit in his home workplace - but the weaving methods are the same. The weaver first takes the dyed yarn in 24 batches of eight-meter (26-foot) lengths, each tied together and marked with spittle and kohl. He dunks them into a sizing of flour and water to make the fibers stiff and strong. Then, in a stretching method called darisi, the threads are wrapped from one strategically placed vertical stick in the building to another, and left to dry like a long L-shaped blanket. When the yarn has dried, it is wound onto a wooden spindle called the furfure, then unwound and tied into the heddle loops, following the color pattern indicated by loose strings on the bamboo heddle. The weaver affixes the heddle to the loom and stretches the threads of the new warp out behind the loom to a single iron hook set in the floor seven and a half to eight meters (24 to 26 feet) away. There all the warp threads are gathered into one fat knot, tied to a length of rope, and attached to the hook. The other end of the rope is led back to the weaver's seat. As weaving progresses and cloth is wound onto the cloth beam, the warp is fed toward the loom, anchoring it to the hook each time with a new knot farther down the rope. When the futa is finished it is delivered to the cooperative store, where the weaver receives his shillings along with new thread for the next length of cloth. The store sells the products for 1,500 to 2,000 Shillings each ($15 to $20) - though at that price, Benaadiri cloth for futas and guntinos is longer an inexpensive alternative to imported cloth. It faces competition not only from Tanzanian kitenge cloth and polyesters imported from the Far East, but even from modern Somali industry. Fifty kilometers (30 miles) outside Mogadishu is the Somaltex factory, whose 154 automated looms work 14 hours a day, turning out nearly 14 million meters (about 15 million yards) of cloth annually - almost enough to reach from New York to Mogadishu. The Somaltex futas vary in thickness, color, and design and sell for approximately 800 shillings ($8); most shops in the marketplace stock them as well as the imported polyesters. The latter, although impractical in the tropical heat, easily torn and expensive, seem to have captured the taste of Somali women by their bright patterns and varied textures. But in response to this challenge too, Somali weavers are raising their resourceful heads and refusing to disappear. To meet the challenge of changing fashion they are helping to change the way women wear their cloth. Two new shops opened in Mogadishu this year, both bent on making futa Benaadiri the biggest thing since Benetton sweaters. At a fashion show last spring, Somali designer Amena Egal sent three models walking through the crowds in a debut of sun, business, and party dresses all made from traditional Benaadir wedding and war cloths. In her store, Garri Bila, Amena sells her fashions for the equivalent of $40 to $60. "We're not changing the tradition of Benaadiri cloth," she explains. "We're just bringing it up to date. Instead of wearing it in the fields or as a guntino, we're making it more western to appeal to the tastes of women today. Somalia is no longer just a society of nomads wandering around the desert. Somalis are coming to the city and their fashion has to reflect their change of lifestyle." To keep their craft alive, the weavers may have to change too, even beyond bowing to people's tastes in colors and patterns, says Abdirahim Hussein, who heads the Somali Weavers Cooperatives for the National Somali Cooperatives Union. Weavers are requested to break out of their futa mindframe and create napkins, placemats, table" cloths, pillowcases and curtains from their weaves. Hotels are offering contracts and boutique owners are ordering custom designs. The business is out there, Abdirahim says, the weavers just have to bend enough to pick it up. "There are problems," he adds. "The loom in the hole, for instance. The white thread gets dirty and the width of the cloth is limited by the weaver's arm reach. The fiber is often not tight enough. I see room for improvement if only by raising the loom off the ground." Getting the weavers to change their styles and dimensions is an obstacle that can be overcome without harming the traditions of the nation's first industry, Abdirahim says, "These people are weavers for generations. They must weave. We're not trying to change the pattern of their lives. We're trying to change the uses of their trade." So the Somali weavers' song is not yet a swan song. Steadfast and adaptable, he shuttles weft into warp with whatever thread he has available, and keeps his feet firmly in the pit beneath his loom, whether it is in his own house or in a cooperative workshop. The thread does come, alham-dulillah - praise God. His loom remains full and his family fed. Edward A. Alpers, professor of history at the University of California at Los Angeles, wrote that "it would probably not be entirely inappropriate to repeat earlier concerns that the weavers of futa Benaadiri face an uncertain future. Futa Benaadiri is no longer an inexpensive alternative to imported cloths and as a prestige textile it faces competition from Tanzanian kitenge and similar stuffs. [but] its ability to endure for more than seven centuries, and particularly to make radical adjustments that historical circumstances have forced upon it over the past century, suggest strongly that it will continue to survive." Written by Lark Ellen Gould

Originally posted by Socod_badne: Northern, You're right, it's a meseum now but back in it's heydays (during the Golden Age of the Ottaman Empire) it was one helluva mosque. I like the blended architucture, a fusion of Turko-muslim and Byzantine Chritianity. Actually it's not a blend but pure Byzantium architecture that pre-dates the fall of Constantinople to the House of Osmanli a good 8 or 9 centuries

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: quote:Originally posted by Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale: I myself am a descendant of King Wiilwaal himself and proud son of Queen Araweello Aaheey, another powerful statement from a true daljecel iyo daludhalad. Saas ku wad halganka. Kuna dar Cigaal Shidaad [yaaba og in uu jiray?], Olol Diinle, Geedi Shaamboow/Baaboow, Bucur Baceyr ... True Soomaalis they were! sounds cool doesn't it? :cool:

Originally posted by roobleh: In human genetics, Somali males with E3b1 cluster y lineages, >76%, suggests Somalis are closely related to the Oromos in Ethio. JB: How do you feel now, since we supposed to be from Oromos? To me, Uraago are closer to us. E3b1* has it's origin with Somali males so were are not ''from'' Oromo's we are ''related'' that's a big difference

Interesting thing i discovered when searching a bit on the net about the Djibouti civil war is that it happened exactly when the Central government collapsed in Somalia, it was this power vaccuum that gave the Afars the confidence to rebell( it shows Somalis project more power when there united) but i think our Afars brothers and sisters have it even worse than us they are divided in multiple countries and they too seek unification with their peoples scattered around the horn, we as a people should support them in their quest or pursuade them to join us(when we get back on our feet) the way the boranas wanted to join our republic during President Adan Osman's administration